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French Political Test Results

According to my results I was 61% in agreement with Fillon.
 
I, too, know nothing of French politics. I, however, scored slightly in the upper right quadrant or lower right quadrant, depending on how I tried to guess where my American politics would be if I were in France. That meant that I either had no one in my quadrant, or I was very close to Fillon. The curious thing was that regardless of those two results, the poll would consistently argue I should support Macron.
 
Shock of shocks I get Le pen with 56%.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Reformers is the word you are looking for.

I desire to avoid a violent revolution if we can.
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I tend to avoid revolution at all.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Why would we not talk about them?

If you dont know that they exist then that is sad for you.
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"Global Elites" exist but they have been elected to your country's cabinet. You fool yourself thinking Trump heralds anything for the ordinary American beyond the crumbs off the table.

This isn't "Mr Smith goes to Washington" or anything of the likes of President Garfield.
 
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Interesting. I think this puts me in a similar place that any compass would place me in the UK - a mish-mash of views which sometimes contradict each other especially where social care is involved but contrasting with economic freedoms and liberty.
 
Carjosse said:
Yes, France has a very large far-left and centre-left supporting population. Here is the link for anyone who is curious.
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I'm taking it right now, and one of the things that bothers me is how non specific some of the questions are, or maybe I don't understand the issue through the context of french culture? like "it should be illegal to mistreat animals at slaughter houses" well what is the definition of "mistreat" in this context? or "universities should be free to set their own tuition" well I feel private ones should, are their private colleges in France? "should french citizens get priority for jobs" well I personally agree with the law in the US that says, at least for non government jobs, that anyone legally entitled to work in the US, including citizens, non citizen nationals, and those hear on work visas or green cards rank equally, this question lacks context. the question quality seems poor and that would skew results since on these questions I'm just hitting neutral, and the only issues I'm answering on are the ones where there are US analogs....

That being said, I'm rated by level of agreement with

1)Fillon-51%
2)Dupont Aignan-49%
3)La Pen 45%

However, I think the results are skewed, because my primitive american brain believes in lower taxes, and the death penalty, and nuclear power, so of course I answered those questions accordingly, and nearly every other issue without the benefit of studying french politics in depth I hit neutral...
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Funny reading that this anti-Globalist, anti-elitist has surrounded himself with billionaires and others of the same cadre. The richest, most elite cabinet in US history?

Funnier still that many people are still drinking the Kool-Aid and talking about "Global Elites."
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The difference is, these are people who believe in general in less government regulation. for many years these offices were doled out as political favors to people who's view of their departments was to make them more powerful and increase their control over americans, the current generation of cabinet officers are people who are reformers and competent in their fields, all of Trump's cabinet picks have been home runs,people who are competent in their field and approach their offices wanting what's best for the people as a whole and not just their particular department.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
~ the current generation of cabinet officers are people who are reformers and competent in their fields, all of Trump's cabinet picks have been home runs,people who are competent in their field and approach their offices wanting what's best for the people as a whole and not just their particular department.
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Having watched a program about the illiteracy rate in Nancy Devos' home state where she was an administrator, I beg to differ. Before I read anyone say "ah, Detroit" and "black people = illiteracy;" the program featured a far higher percentage of undereducated/ illiterate whites.

EMNofSeattle said:
~ the question quality seems poor and that would skew results since on these questions I'm just hitting neutral, and the only issues I'm answering on are the ones where there are US analogs....~
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Well the questions are geared towards the French election. If they were more America oriented then the candidate field would be quite different.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I'm taking it right now, and one of the things that bothers me is how non specific some of the questions are, or maybe I don't understand the issue through the context of french culture? like "it should be illegal to mistreat animals at slaughter houses" well what is the definition of "mistreat" in this context? or "universities should be free to set their own tuition" well I feel private ones should, are their private colleges in France? "should french citizens get priority for jobs" well I personally agree with the law in the US that says, at least for non government jobs, that anyone legally entitled to work in the US, including citizens, non citizen nationals, and those hear on work visas or green cards rank equally, this question lacks context. the question quality seems poor and that would skew results since on these questions I'm just hitting neutral, and the only issues I'm answering on are the ones where there are US analogs....

That being said, I'm rated by level of agreement with

1)Fillon-51%
2)Dupont Aignan-49%
3)La Pen 45%

However, I think the results are skewed, because my primitive american brain believes in lower taxes, and the death penalty, and nuclear power, so of course I answered those questions accordingly, and nearly every other issue without the benefit of studying french politics in depth I hit neutral...
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That would be Vote Compass in a nutshell, also it is aimed at the French election and the French have different issues to the US. I cannot even understand half of the BC election one. In regards to the university question, yes France has private universities which set their own tuition but public universities much like here in Canada cannot set their own tuition but they would love to. In France public universities only charge a couple hundred euros a year in tuition.
 
Thanks for this. I strongly prefer Le Pen in the second round. The banker Macron will make decisions according to the interests of the financial elite and perpetuate the terminal societal crisis we entered in the 1970s. Making money on money ... the death of culture.

I would be doing all I could to elect Le Pen if I lived in France. The future of civilized society may depend on it.

But what's interesting about this thread is that I've learned my political persuasion is better situated in a French milieu. Here in the USA, you might think I voted for Trump, but I reluctantly voted for Clinton because Trump's social conservatism is coupled with an economic conservatism that would be considered fascist in any other era. It seems that France lets me have (something similar to) socialism in economics and conservatism on the social scale. The one demands the other because the scarcity of resources makes socialism for immigrants infeasible. Another reason I could vote populist in France but not USA is that French culture, unlike American, is actually worth preserving.



On the test at politicalcompass.org, I was -8.63 on economics and -0.97 on social.
 
criticalrealist said:
Thanks for this. I strongly prefer Le Pen in the second round. The banker Macron will make decisions according to the interests of the financial elite and perpetuate the terminal societal crisis we entered in the 1970s. Making money on money ... the death of culture.

I would be doing all I could to elect Le Pen if I lived in France. The future of civilized society may depend on it.

But what's interesting about this thread is that I've learned my political persuasion is better situated in a French milieu. Here in the USA, you might think I voted for Trump, but I reluctantly voted for Clinton because Trump's social conservatism is coupled with an economic conservatism that would be considered fascist in any other era. It seems that France lets me have (something similar to) socialism in economics and conservatism on the social scale. The one demands the other because the scarcity of resources makes socialism for immigrants infeasible. Another reason I could vote populist in France but not USA is that French culture, unlike American, is actually worth preserving.



On the test at politicalcompass.org, I was -8.63 on economics and -0.97 on social.
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Le Pen lost. Civilized society has been saved.
 
Phys251 said:
I like Macron. I think his charisma, outsider status, and relative youth poses the best bet to beat that blundering fool known as Le Pen.

On the quiz, however, I got Hamon.
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He is world's apart from the people who have been running the country.

I live in France, and have done so for quite a long time. The country is not only badly run, but the French have failed to realize that the "good ole days" of post-war economic growth are gone, gone, gone.

They nonetheless refuse to change what's wrong with the country. Like the the law passed by the Socialists reducing the work-week to 35-hours. With that, companies high-tailed it to eastern Europe to produce. Poland is flourishing as a result.

The French are hung-up on History and cannot understand that regardless of how rich a nation's history can be, that richness has nothing to do with how well an economy functions. And yet, if Germany is "rich", it is because of its Manufacturing capacity and not its history.

Nonetheless, the major GDP money-maker in France is, in fact, tourism - which is very largely due to what France has to show in its historical richness. This has not been enough, however, when the fit-hit-the-shan in the Great Recession. France has yet to improve its historical unemployment rate now greater than 10%.

If the French voted for anything in this last presidential election it was for a change. Any change, in any manner. To break with a past that is simply dysfunctional.

Time will tell if Macron can change France profoundly. Because that is what is dearly needed ...
 
Lafayette said:
He is world's apart from the people who have been running the country.

I live in France, and have done so for quite a long time. The country is not only badly run, but the French have failed to realize that the "good ole days" of post-war economic growth are gone, gone, gone.

They nonetheless refuse to change what's wrong with the country. Like the the law passed by the Socialists reducing the work-week to 35-hours. With that, companies high-tailed it to eastern Europe to produce. Poland is flourishing.

The French are hung-up on History and cannot understand that regardless of how rich a nation's history can be, that richness has nothing to do with how well an economy functions. And yet, if Germany is "rich", it is because of its Manufacturing capacity and not its history.

Nonetheless, the major money-maker in France is, in fact, tourism - which is very largely due to what France has to show in its historical richness. This has not been enough, however, when the fit-hit-the-shan in the Great Recession. France has yet to improve its historical unemployment rate now greater than 10%.

If the French voted for anything in this last presidential election it was for a change. Any change, in any manner. To break with a past that is simply dysfunctional.

Time will tell if Macron can change France profoundly. Because that is what is dearly needed ...
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Sounds like y'all needed a little shakeup. Glad y'all picked the sane candidate to do it.
 
zyzygy said:
We want to save it from fascism.
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Bollocks.

Europe has to be saved from itself. Most people seem to think that what happens to THEIR country is primordial. In fact, if the EU has any advantage it is because it has a common-market of 510 million minus Brexit UK at 45 million. (Whilst that of the US is 321 million consumers.)

EU plus Britain GDP will be slightly less than it is today at $16.5T, with the US at $18T - not all that different. But the economic potential of the EU (plus Britain) is nonetheless higher* than that of the US due to comparative population sizes. The EU plus the UK are a larger "common market" than the US.

This, I suggest, is all that matters. The comparative size of both consumer populations within their respective market-economies ...

*Just because the UK is leaving the EU does not mean that the combined economies suffer all that much.
 
Phys251 said:
Sounds like y'all needed a little shakeup. Glad y'all picked the sane candidate to do it.
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I don't vote in France. But, yes, I think the French made the "sane choice".

There was not much to contend with. The French new that the "old Left" Socialist Party was incompetent. Just a bunch of politicians enjoying very good salaries in Paris. The Socialist Party is coming apart at the seams as a result of this lost election. It will come back perhaps stronger - but it is too soon to see what parliamentary election outcomes will be.

Macron is like an American president. He needs the support of the Legislative wing of governance to get anything done. And his "party" as such, has no legislative presence, and needs one.

Much must be done to renew the economy. (Which is coming out of its Great Recession doldrums, but at a wickedly slow pace.) He has refused to touch the 35-hour week, which is a shame. So, I imagine he will somehow loosen the strings-that-bind by allowing companies to escape that rule for a variety of reasons.

Which will do a lot of goodness economically ...
 
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criticalrealist said:
Why do Europeans not want to save Europe?
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What's been lost?

Brexit will prove to have been a major mistake on the part of the Brits. Time will tell.

But, Brexit does not mean that Britain stops exporting to the EU. At present, the UK runs a massive deficit with the EU (in terms of trade). But that trade is none the less very consequential. But, 44% of all UK trade is with the EU.

I frankly do not see that diminishing, but neither is it going to grow as fast as it could were Brit-exports not facing stiffer EU import duties that must happen post-Brexit.
 
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