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Is there an advantage to becoming a minority?

_Sal said:
I agree. Skin colour/culture/nationality and even strength are all meaningless if there is no humanity and quality of life for all people in a nation. Humanity, intelligence, quality of life for all ... it knows no tribe it comes down to individual values.
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You get it, some others on this thread didn't.
 
soylentgreen said:
Even if one left the president out there are still many positions an immigrant can take, even become governor of california. It still applies that the concept of a country built on immigration such as america boasts, is one of anyone can rise given the ability and push. It is supposedly what makes america great which i believe is or was the motto of your government now. Or has it changed to america the land of the elitist few only welcomed.

Arguing the amount of people that should be allowed to immigrate in any given year is one thing. To argue that you will only accept an elite band is another. You bring up the constitution as a defense but ignore it for the parts you do not like. Can you show where in the constitution it favours discrimination.
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Another one. All I am saying is that any country should be able to control its own borders. Allow whom it wants to come live here and to deny others. Perhaps the best and brightest was the wrong phrase. Let all who want to come here come, as long as they do it legally. That they go through the background checks, pay the fees, get the required visas and passports and anything else required.
 
Perotista said:
You get it, some others on this thread didn't.
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hey you have three times the posts I do so you have way more experience with this than I do :thumbs:

some on here concern themselves only with their own survival...they are not good members of the tribe nor are they the strong ones that they imagine themselves to be
 
International10 said:
Yet again. Another post with nothing stated. You claim it is not worth discussing yet it is worth multitudes of posts saying that it is not worth discussing?

If your point is to discredit me you should do so with substance rather than multlitudes of meaningless posts.
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Your premise is false, I've already pointed that out. You've presented no corroboration for your claim of whites being in the minority in a couple of decades (USA 2044, Sweden 2042, with France, Britain, Canada, The Netherlands, and Italy not far behind).

You did the same in the other thread by transposing Turkish rise of Islam on all of Europe to the point of claiming it would become majority Muslim soon. Figures you yourself presented in supposed support contradicted you completely.

Stating that is substance and stating that your premise is consequently balderdash (then and now) is also a statement of substance.

It's up to readers to garner which posts are meaningless and which are not. You just claiming a post to be meaningless amounts to squat.
 
International10 said:
Take a quick glance at demographic projections over the next few decades for USA, Sweden, Britain, Italy, or France. What is the conspiracy? Why is it not worth a discussion?
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And what will those projections tell us?

Come on, you presented them yourself not so long ago.
 
Chagos said:
Not your call mate, not by a long shot.

If you don't like my observations, hit report.
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I'll just continue to point out how ridiculous your posting is and how it has no value at all. Reporting is a tactic for the weaker of mind.
 
Fishking said:
It hurts their world view to even think about such things and therefore hurts their feelings. The next step is to dismiss and marginalize any of the unsanctioned and unapproved thoughts.
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Since you're posting this in response to an invitation that a look be taken at demographic forecasts, which ones have you looked at?

If at all.
 
Chagos said:
Since you're posting this in response to an invitation that a look be taken at demographic forecasts, which ones have you looked at?

If at all.
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I've already stated my position on this, feel free to read and see some examples of what an actual contribution looks like.
 
Fishking said:
I'll just continue to point out how ridiculous your posting is and how it has no value at all. Reporting is a tactic for the weaker of mind.
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Well, you'll just have to put up with my posts then.

Tough.
 
Fishking said:
I've already stated my position on this, feel free to read and see some examples of what an actual contribution looks like.
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Positions are great, corroborated by facts they're even better.

Haven't seen any of the latter in here from you.

Now that would indeed have made a contribution.:roll:
 
_Sal said:
hey you have three times the posts I do so you have way more experience with this than I do :thumbs:

some on here concern themselves only with their own survival...they are not good members of the tribe nor are they the strong ones that they imagine themselves to be
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The number of posts mean little to nothing. I suppose all it means is I expressed certain ideas a bit more. I never viewed race as a determining factor. It is the person that counts..
 
Chagos said:
Positions are great, corroborated by facts they're even better.

Haven't seen any of the latter in here from you.

Now that would indeed have made a contribution.:roll:
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You've no standing to call anyone else's contribution into question, since you've yet to provide a single one. Pretty weak.
 
Fishking said:
You've no standing to call anyone else's contribution into question, since you've yet to provide a single one. Pretty weak.
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Nice run away from providing actual demographic forecasts that would support the premise in the OP. Yeah, very weak indeed.

If pointing that out is calling your "contribution" into question, darn right and congratulations.
 
Perotista said:
The number of posts mean little to nothing. I suppose all it means is I expressed certain ideas a bit more. I never viewed race as a determining factor. It is the person that counts..
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hm, post number means a certain degree of dedication and knowledge of posts read so it counts :)

and yes, it is the person who counts
 
Chagos said:
Nice run away from providing actual demographic forecasts that would support the premise in the OP. Yeah, very weak indeed.

If pointing that out is calling your "contribution" into question, darn right and congratulations.
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More noise, more nothing.

Hint: Saying "Nuh-uh" doesn't prove someone else wrong, no matter how many times you say it.
 
Chagos said:
Nice run away from providing actual demographic forecasts that would support the premise in the OP. Yeah, very weak indeed.

If pointing that out is calling your "contribution" into question, darn right and congratulations.
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Oh...and *yawn* since you seem to be unaware of something that should be known by anyone who's felt the need to weigh in on the subject.

Census: White children to become minority by 2020 - UPI.com
 
Chagos said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/11/opinion/the-myth-of-a-white-minority.html?_r=0
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Wow really? This is your big bombshell that makes this OP irrelevant? Lets highlight a couple of things from the article shall we:

The author states "60 percent [of newborns] had at least one non-Hispanic white parent" and compares that to the (50 percent who have two non-Hispanic white parents and the national census considers white) Even if 100% of those mixed race children identify as white then that means the can is simply kicked down the road a few more years. Even the author of this opinion piece himself states: "We will seem like a majority-white society for much longer than is believed."

How does the fact that a white majority may last through to say 2054 instead of 2044 suddenly make the OP irrelvent. Furthermore, the ethos of the post is about the process of becoming a minority which is ongoing regardless of whether we draw a bright line at the exact moment it happens. Regardless, whites will still be a minority, even if it is a few years later than 2044, and the OP was simply meant to discuss whether this will be a benefit or negative for whites. You are free to join the actual discussion now if you would like....
 
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International10 said:
Wow really? This is your big bombshell that makes this OP irrelevant? Lets highlight a couple of things from the article shall we:

The author states "60 percent [of newborns] had at least one non-Hispanic white parent" and compares that to the (50 percent who have two non-Hispanic white parents and the national census considers white) Even if 100% of those mixed race children identify as white then that means the can is simply kicked down the road a few more years. Even the author of this opinion piece himself states: "We will seem like a majority-white society for much longer than is believed."

How does the fact that a white majority may last through to say 2054 instead of 2044 suddenly make the OP irrelvent. Furthermore, the ethos of the post is about the process of becoming a minority which is ongoing regardless of whether we draw a bright line at the exact moment it happens. Regardless, whites will still be a minority, even if it is a few years later than 2044, and the OP was simply meant to discuss whether this will be a benefit or negative for whites. You are free to join the actual discussion now if you would like....
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Interesting that (if I read you correctly) "white" is only "white" if no Hispanics are involved.

Or what?

Apart from which you now throw around an added 10 years and have no corroboration for that either.

Gish gallops are best ignored and that'll be it.
 
Chagos said:
Interesting that (if I read you correctly) "white" is only "white" if no Hispanics are involved.

Or what?

Apart from which you now throw around an added 10 years and have no corroboration for that either.

Gish gallops are best ignored and that'll be it.
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You were not "reading me correctly" with regard to "white" but rather the United States census. Ya know, as stated in the article you provided. Personally I think "being white" in America has little to do with notions of genetic "purity" but rather how you percieve yourself which mostly comes from how others percieve you. Identity is important especially in a multicultural society like America. Based on how you identify and others identify you, certain groups will not accept you whether you like it or not. This applies every which way between disparate racial groups here.

As for the "added ten years" I made no secret that, that was an inference meant simply to articulate that reading your article in the best possible light merely extends "the inevitable" a few years.
 
Perotista said:
Another one. All I am saying is that any country should be able to control its own borders. Allow whom it wants to come live here and to deny others. Perhaps the best and brightest was the wrong phrase. Let all who want to come here come, as long as they do it legally. That they go through the background checks, pay the fees, get the required visas and passports and anything else required.
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Fine, who could argue with that, seems quite reasonable. Now, just to be annoying, what's this crap about you white people becoming a minority have to do with what your saying now.
 
soylentgreen said:
Fine, who could argue with that, seems quite reasonable. Now, just to be annoying, what's this crap about you white people becoming a minority have to do with what your saying now.
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It doesn't bother me one bit which race is in the minority and which is the majority. All I am saying is that outside Europe and the good old USA, a lot to most countries control who enters to live and do so for the reason of maintaining their demographics among many others. It may be a losing cause in the long run. I think in a way we, the world are moving slowly from many races back to one where we all began. Globalization, inter-racial marriage, tourism, wars, many other reasons and happenings.

Regardless of that, this country shouldn't just let anyone come in unless they do so legally.
 
International10 said:
[*]Why is it in the interest of native white populations to become minorities?
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There's no such thing as 'native white populations' in North America. White people have existed over there for no more than 500 years. As with African-Americans and Hispanics and Asian-Americans, they are immigrant populations.
 
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