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Stockholm lorry rams crowds

truthatallcost said:
Having your child smashed to smithereens in front of you is still a relatively new occurrence in Europe.
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Well yeah, that kinda was my point
Give diversity another decade, and Europeans will be as used to these events as they are to automobile fatalities.
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In the sense that in ten years the annual European death rate from terror attacks will amount to 85,000 per annum?

Yeah well, opinion noted.:roll:
 
truthatallcost said:
He also had pictures of mangled attack victims from the 2013 Boston Marathon Attack on his Facebook profile. But I'm sure the Swedish authorities are still telling Swedes to not rush to judgement.
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You're not sure at all on account of the fact that you can't be. But then again maybe you don't read the news as much as that would take.

Or you'd have gathered that the Swedish authorities are treating the whole thing as a terrorist attack and have named the arrested as Uzbek (predominantly Sunni).

That authorities in Sweden are not rushing to tell the public to now condemn all Muslims or all immigrants, may be a problem, but it's entirely yours.
 
Chagos said:
Well yeah, that kinda was my pointIn the sense that in ten years the annual European death rate from terror attacks will amount to 85,000 per annum?

Yeah well, opinion noted.:roll:
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People are already becoming apathetic to Islamic terrorism in Europe. The 7/7 attack was truly shocking, but 12 years later, we expect these sorts of incidents and therefore aren't terribly moved when they occur. Most people offer the usual casual condolences and forget about it when an Islamic nutbag goes on a jihad spree somewhere in Europe.
 
Chagos said:
You're not sure at all on account of the fact that you can't be. But then again maybe you don't read the news as much as that would take.

Or you'd have gathered that the Swedish authorities are treating the whole thing as a terrorist attack and have named the arrested as Uzbek (predominantly Sunni).

That authorities in Sweden are not rushing to tell the public to now condemn all Muslims or all immigrants, may be a problem, but it's entirely yours.
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Funny, when Swedish Police Investigator Peter Springare publicly announced that most serious crimes in his town are committed by immigrants from Islamic countries, he became a hero to the common Swede, and Public Enemy #1 to Swedish politicians. He must have said something that most Swedes already felt was the truth.
 
truthatallcost said:
Funny, when Swedish Police Investigator Peter Springare publicly announced that most serious crimes in his town are committed by immigrants from Islamic countries, he became a hero to the common Swede, and Public Enemy #1 to Swedish politicians. He must have said something that most Swedes already felt was the truth.
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I'd normally ask for a definition of what the common Swede is, and proof of what most Swedes already feel, but never mind.

I know you can't answer either with any reasonable substantiation.
 
truthatallcost said:
People are already becoming apathetic to Islamic terrorism in Europe.
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How do you know? Are you in Europe?
The 7/7 attack was truly shocking, but 12 years later, we expect these sorts of incidents and therefore aren't terribly moved when they occur.
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By "we" you are presumably speaking of, what?, Californians? I seem to remember that's where you are but maybe I'm confusing you with someone else.

In anycase you're not speaking for Europeans, I guess.
Most people offer the usual casual condolences and forget about it when an Islamic nutbag goes on a jihad spree somewhere in Europe.
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More conjecture of the above type.

You don't know "most" people, whichever side of the pond.
 
RetiredUSN said:
It pretty much means that you are clueless when it comes to European attitudes towards Muslims in general. You don't speak for the majority of Euro's as much as you would love to.
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Whereas you know better, from thousands of miles away. Spewing factoids from the exterme right echo-chamber.
 
The suspect behind the Stockholm truck attack had been facing deportation and had extremist sympathies, Swedish police say.

The 39-year-old Uzbek man is suspected of having driven a truck into a department store in the city on Friday.

His application for residency was rejected in June last year and he was being sought by immigration officials, police said.

Stockholm attack suspect was refused residency - BBC News
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Only four people are confirmed to have died in the attack, which was a minor incident compared to what happened in Nice last year. The suspect was due to be deported but immigration officials failed to do their job. The incident could have been prevented, had he been deported sooner. Up to 80,000 refugees who arrived in Sweden last year will be expelled from the country.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Whereas you know better, from thousands of miles away. Spewing factoids from the exterme right echo-chamber.
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Pew's data not mine.

I don't claim to know it all, but I notice you are quite smug with your comments about the sophisticated Euro's embracing diversity, even though blindly.

Almost like those rednecks who are always clinging to their guns and bibles that your side loves to make fun of.

Getting snippy are we?
 
Peter King said:
Terrible, sadly a few deranged idiots are still being radicalized by evil terrorist overlords via the internet (or in person like in that **** hole of Syria).
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A few? I would suggest an ever increasing number.

It puzzles me to understand, how a group of people, or a country, can be kicked in the teeth, time after time and come up with excuses.
Paris, Nice, Belgium, London and now Sweden. A few? No way.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Whereas you know better, from thousands of miles away. Spewing factoids from the exterme right echo-chamber.
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From what I'm told, the Muslim people do not wish to, or ever intend to, assimilate. I understand there are enclaves of Muslim only places, within cities in Belgium and France, where the police fear to tread.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Pew's data not mine.

I don't claim to know it all, but I notice you are quite smug with your comments about the sophisticated Euro's embracing diversity, even though blindly.

Almost like those rednecks who are always clinging to their guns and bibles that your side loves to make fun of.

Getting snippy are we?
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I think you are correct.
 
RetiredUSN said:
It pretty much means that you are clueless when it comes to European attitudes towards Muslims in general. You don't speak for the majority of Euro's as much as you would love to.
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Well, of course one would expect someone from Virginia to know more about attitudes of Europeans than someone living, say for example, in Europe.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Well, of course one would expect someone from Virginia to know more about attitudes of Europeans than someone living, say for example, in Europe.
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I original post presented a PEW research chart, and I offered no opinion with it, but was challenged.

You offered nothing more than snark and pig piling.

Feeling big now?

Have a great evening........I'm heading out on the bay for some Tautog while you glow on your smugness.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I original post presented a PEW research chart, and I offered no opinion with it, but was challenged.

You offered nothing more than snark and pig piling.

Feeling big now?

Have a great evening........I'm heading out on the bay for some Tautog while you glow on your smugness.
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Looks like I struck a nerve.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I original post presented a PEW research chart, and I offered no opinion with it,.................
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Your subsequent comment of any embracing of diversity by Europeans being an act of blindness, of course not constituting any opinion at all.

One could cite another PEW result here, dealing with how Muslims are seen in Europe by country, but what's the point?

Not every European is asked anyway and we know that asking everybody (and everybody replying honestly) would be the only thing that would make these polls perfect.

Until then I prefer to work on what I see wrt Muslims in 4 European countries that I'm well acquainted with (and whose languages I speak), rather than pay all that much attention to a certain branch of internet experts that habitually make a cross-Atlantic carrion descent on any tragedy happening here.

Same way I much prefer to not go barging into Virginia (or any other US location) with whatever "virtual" knowledge (that would feed an agenda if I had any) I can snip from the net, and lord it over people on the spot there.

You'd tell me that I know bugger all on things where you live and you'd be right.

And in that spirit I'm telling you the same.
 
I'll leave this here since the thread on France has been closed (i can't understand why).
Really interesting debate between Christopher Hitchens and Tariq Ramadan from 2010.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMraxhd9Z9Q

Hope you enjoy
 
This is Iggy, he was rescued in Dublin and given a home in Sweden. He died in the terror attack.

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4 people dead and many injured (the owner of that dog had her foot severed in the attack) and not a word of condolence, commiseration or empathy for any of those.

Naw, we gotta play on the feelings of pet lovers here.

I've owned countless dogs in my life and my heart broke a little bit more with the passing of each one of them, but this "contribution":roll:, especially in view of where it's coming from, is pretty sick.

What next, giving human tragedy a canine face?

Jesus wept.
 
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