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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
The Government says the UK will become an Independent Coastal State at the end of this year (after the Brexit transition period) and that it will be able to control who fishes in UK waters and how much they can fish.

Ministers want to have annual negotiations about access for EU boats and over time reduce the access to them, allowing the UK fleet to increase in size. Link.
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Back to Brexit, there'll be some hard negotiating over fishing grounds in rueturn for some access to EU markets. Cake, eating and having....
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Back to Brexit, there'll be some hard negotiating over fishing grounds in rueturn for some access to EU markets. Cake, eating and having....
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Not to mention that 60 pct (some say 70 pct) of current British catch lands on tables in the EU.

On the bright side (or maybe not so bright) British fishery accounts for around 0.12 pct of the overall UK economy. IOW negligible to just about everybody but the fishermen.

Making it into a cornerstone of Brexit negotiations has something very fishy about it.
 
Chagos said:
~ something very fishy about it.
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Badum 'TISH!


Chagos said:
Not to mention that 60 pct (some say 70 pct) of current British catch lands on tables in the EU.

On the bright side (or maybe not so bright) British fishery accounts for around 0.12 pct of the overall UK economy. IOW negligible to just about everybody but the fishermen.

Making it into a cornerstone of Brexit negotiations has something very fishy about it.
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I always found that strange, I suppose it was symbolic rather than fundamental and the idea of them "demned furriners" with their boats in British waters is what got the Kippers all riled up.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Badum 'TISH!




I always found that strange, I suppose it was symbolic rather than fundamental and the idea of them "demned furriners" with their boats in British waters is what got the Kippers all riled up.
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Naw, it's the ice bag they're supposed to be mailed on.

And so would I be :mrgreen:
 
Chagos said:
Not to mention that 60 pct (some say 70 pct) of current British catch lands on tables in the EU.

On the bright side (or maybe not so bright) British fishery accounts for around 0.12 pct of the overall UK economy. IOW negligible to just about everybody but the fishermen.

Making it into a cornerstone of Brexit negotiations has something very fishy about it.
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The stupid think is that a lot of British think they are better than anybody else, especially in Europe, fact is, they are not. A lot of British success of the past few decades was due to them being a member of the EU.

Sure, them damned foreigners were allowed to fish in their waters but other countries had to allow the same thing. Without a market to sell their British fish on, having a lot of fishing grounds isn't going to make the UK or their fishing vessels a lot of profit. Sure, they can send it to other markets, but the transport costs will be heavy and a lot of it will still have to be sold on the EU market. And I am not sure the EU is going to give over that market with a slight push from the Brits. They will have to negotiate hard.

I am not sure the departure from the EU will be a fantastic thing for the UK, especially if one or more of their members leave. Especially if Scotland leaves the UK because a lot of the fishing grounds I think are in their waters. The same goes for oil/gas/etc.
 
Peter King said:
The stupid think is that a lot of British think they are better than anybody else, especially in Europe, fact is, they are not. A lot of British success of the past few decades was due to them being a member of the EU.

Sure, them damned foreigners were allowed to fish in their waters but other countries had to allow the same thing. Without a market to sell their British fish on, having a lot of fishing grounds isn't going to make the UK or their fishing vessels a lot of profit. Sure, they can send it to other markets, but the transport costs will be heavy and a lot of it will still have to be sold on the EU market. And I am not sure the EU is going to give over that market with a slight push from the Brits. They will have to negotiate hard.

I am not sure the departure from the EU will be a fantastic thing for the UK, especially if one or more of their members leave. Especially if Scotland leaves the UK because a lot of the fishing grounds I think are in their waters. The same goes for oil/gas/etc.
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The Bishops wars 2: Electric Boogaloo.

The EU will not admit Scotland. Several European countries (Spain notably) have their own secession movements that they don’t want to legitimize. And Scotland is a tax leech anyway, they’ll be another Greece
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The Bishops wars 2: Electric Boogaloo.

The EU will not admit Scotland. Several European countries (Spain notably) have their own secession movements that they don’t want to legitimize. And Scotland is a tax leech anyway, they’ll be another Greece
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I am not sure, it would enrage the English, which would be a nice middle finger to London.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
~ The EU will not admit Scotland ~
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Think again, this is not the same situation as in 2013 when the Spanish intimated a big "no." The EU has already made it clear they will welcome an application from Scotland. Possibly partly to spite England but also because of access to Scottish fishing waters.
 
Blue passports are on the way. Made by a French-Dutch company in Poland....

If the UK can't even find a British company to make thier own passports....

Sent from my Honor 8X
 
PeteEU said:
Blue passports are on the way. Made by a French-Dutch company in Poland....

If the UK can't even find a British company to make thier own passports....

Sent from my Honor 8X
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Old news Pete but still funny. The irony of the passport manufacture is lost on most Brexiters.
 
Fishing is a disaster area anyway. British regulations (NOT EU) gave only 3% of the licences to boats under 10m which was something like 70% of the British fishing fleet. The larger boats belonged to bigger companies, many of whom sold the licences on to Furriners. Then Brexiters whined about lack of access for British fishermen!:doh
 
To date, Brexit has cost the British government a minimum of £4.4 billion ($5.7 billion) according to the UK's National Audit Office.

That is roughly 65% of the £6.3 billion made available for Brexit by the Treasury.
 
I feel safer already:

UK will leave EU aviation safety regulator at end of 2020 - BBC News

The UK will leave the European aviation safety regulator after the Brexit transition period, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has confirmed.

He said UK membership of the European Aviation Safety Agency - responsible for certifying the airworthiness of planes - would end on 31 December.

He said the UK's Civil Aviation Authority would "bring expertise home".

But the owner of British Airways said the CAA lacked world-class knowledge and could not be ready in time.
 
Looks like the transition period will be extended. Telegraph is floating the idea so it must mean it is in the works.

Sent from my Honor 8X
 
PeteEU said:
Looks like the transition period will be extended. Telegraph is floating the idea so it must mean it is in the works.

Sent from my Honor 8X
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Boris was asked at today's press conference and he didn't sound like he was looking to extend.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Bit less but as much as any other politician really - there are none whose first motive really is the public good.
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My point is, he has reversed himself so many times that nothing he says can be taken seriously. If the Telegraph is floating the idea, then it is most likely going to happen.

Sent from my Honor 8X
 
coronavirus will not save the unity of the UK, and the fishing waters Europe are interested in is Scotland's 62% of the UK's fishing waters
 
Meanwhile negotiations on the final "deal" are shelved and not just because Barnier (EU's chief negotiator) has tested positive.

More important things to address right now everywhere.
 
Britain's embattled logistics industry calls for Brexit to be delayed - Reuters

Britain’s logistics industry is urging the government to delay its departure from the European Union because it cannot prepare for Brexit while battling to get food and medical supplies into the country during the coronavirus pandemic.

The FTA, which represents members from the road, rail, sea and air industries, said it was petitioning government to urgently seek an extension to the transition period before the planned departure date at the end of the year.

“This is not about the relative merits of Brexit, or any trading arrangements which our industry will need to adopt,” said Elizabeth de Jong, Policy Director at FTA.

“Logistics is facing unprecedented challenges, both in terms of keeping the UK economy supplied with all the goods it needs to function, as well as coping with the increased disruption to staffing levels caused by sickness and self-isolation and concerns about the viability of their businesses.”

British shoppers stripped many supermarket shelves bare in the last week as a lockdown loomed, increasing the pressure on the logistics industry to replenish stock at a time when borders are closing across Europe.



 
Sven Karma said:
Britain's embattled logistics industry calls for Brexit to be delayed - Reuters

Britain’s logistics industry is urging the government to delay its departure from the European Union because it cannot prepare for Brexit while battling to get food and medical supplies into the country during the coronavirus pandemic.

The FTA, which represents members from the road, rail, sea and air industries, said it was petitioning government to urgently seek an extension to the transition period before the planned departure date at the end of the year.

“This is not about the relative merits of Brexit, or any trading arrangements which our industry will need to adopt,” said Elizabeth de Jong, Policy Director at FTA.

“Logistics is facing unprecedented challenges, both in terms of keeping the UK economy supplied with all the goods it needs to function, as well as coping with the increased disruption to staffing levels caused by sickness and self-isolation and concerns about the viability of their businesses.”

British shoppers stripped many supermarket shelves bare in the last week as a lockdown loomed, increasing the pressure on the logistics industry to replenish stock at a time when borders are closing across Europe.



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not surprised.
 
Well, nobody left to talk about how Brexit will go right now. Not in Downing Street and not all that much in Brussels either.

Considering that a working agreement was to be negotiated by June (an utopian demand by the Johnson administration all on its own), with no negotiations to speak of happening in this crisis at all, this can be safely forgotten again.

Seeing how BoJo has written an exit by end of the year into law, the goal of the hardliners to "crash out" draws nearer.

Rumors remain however (as yet) unfounded that the hard liners have plans to, once this epidemic is more contained, wave banners that say "thank you Corona".
 
Ah, what the hell does the IMF know? Stop funding these charlatans, we got BoJo's Charge of the Light Brigade on our side!

IMF head calls for Brexit trade talk extension - BBC News

The IMF has suggested the UK and the EU should not "add to uncertainty" from coronavirus by refusing to extend the period to negotiate a post-Brexit trade deal.

Managing director Kristalina Georgieva, when asked what she thought about the prospect of no trade deal this year and no extension to talks, told the BBC that because of the "unprecedented uncertainty" arising from the pandemic, it would be "wise not to add more on top of it".

"I really hope that all policymakers everywhere would be thinking about [reducing uncertainty]. It is tough as it is, let's not make it any tougher," she said.

Asked specifically if she would advise an extension to trade talks, Ms Georgieva said: "My advice would be to seek ways in which this element of uncertainty is reduced in the interests of everybody, the UK, the EU, and the whole world."
 
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