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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
that nails it from the perspective of the "left alones" ;) :

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Translation:

Brexit easily explained:


Britain: We want a unicorn.

EU: Unicorns don´t exist - you may have a pony.

Britain: We voted. We don´t want a pony.

EU: A Pony or nothing.

Britain: We voted. We don´t want a nothing.

EU: You don´t get it, do you?

Britain: We need more time for rethinking.

EU: About the pony or about the nothing?

Britain: We want a Unicorn.
 
Snazzy said:
So the UK and EU have agreed on a new Brexit deal........ I'm no clairvoyant, but I'll bet my house on this deal no passing through Parliament.

Brexit: EU and UK reach deal but DUP refuses support - BBC News
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Wouldn't surprise me if it was just a set-up.

Where the ERG Spartans are clearly hell-bent on crashing out in a manner that (in their aim) gets rid of nasty meddling Scotland and N. Ireland, they can now show themselves as being good little supporters while laughing inwardly with glee at DUP and SNP aiding Labour and LibDems in scuttling it.

Thus providing them with the little England they can far better control in pursuit of their greedy little aims.

Anybody still thinking this has anything at all to do with the people meanwhile desperately needing to have their heads examined.
 
Snazzy said:
~ I'll bet my house on this deal no passing through Parliament ~
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Surprises may happen. I wouldn't bet anything of worth in these unpredictable times. The DUP and others may simply abstain and there are others like Stephen Kinnock who supported and wanted some kind of deal just to end this whole cluster**k.
 
Snazzy said:
So the UK and EU have agreed on a new Brexit deal........ I'm no clairvoyant, but I'll bet my house on this deal no passing through Parliament.

Brexit: EU and UK reach deal but DUP refuses support - BBC News
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It just depends on what is promised to whom. There would still be follow up negotiations that can benefit some and hurt others and districts can be bought and sold according to how their MP voted. If I had to bet your house, I would say it will pass by 3-5 votes.
 
Seems the DUP will vote against the deal and I suspect the ERG will too.

For them, that's the way to hard Brexit and it's also the way for a short period of time to keep the Union together.
 
Dominic Raab this morning selling the deal and Northern Ireland's situation as a "win, win, win as they retain access to the single market and they get to stay within a free trade area..."

:lamo :lamo
 
Well, with the Letwin amendment just passed, another one into the kisser of Boris. Groundhog Day 4.0 as feared.

Hilarious with May stating how she was experiencing déjà vu , to then contribute towards it most profoundly once again with her recording of the needle stuck in the vinyl groove (only way to avoid a no-deal is to vote for the deal).

No, Theresa, no. And refusing to learn anything at all, you show to have remained as stupid as you always were.
 
As to the Letwin amendment itself, just another expression of how absolutely nobody trusts Boris, respectively those behind him. Hence the obvious need (seen by all those who voted it thru today) to prevent him from taking the UK into a crash-out that happens by default by his finding some way (as still suspected) of circumnavigating the Benn Act.

Well done Boris indeed. Is there anyone (even on your own side) that you haven't pissed off by now?
 
Chagos said:
As to the Letwin amendment itself, just another expression of how absolutely nobody trusts Boris, respectively those behind him. Hence the obvious need (seen by all those who voted it thru today) to prevent him from taking the UK into a crash-out that happens by default by his finding some way (as still suspected) of circumnavigating the Benn Act.

Well done Boris indeed. Is there anyone (even on your own side) that you haven't pissed off by now?
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UK lawmakers delay Brexit vote and force Boris Johnson to ask for deadline extension
 
I was busy watching the rugby as we beat Australia 40-16 so had a far more peaceful and enjoyable day than I thought I would.

I've stopped hoping... most of the lemmings would vote the same way for Brexit as they did last time. Watching interviews in Sunderland just now, people still wanting Brexit but with no factual basis for their desire. The EU are fed up, BoJo promised his deal would get through and Macron / Merkel must be absolutely fed up by now.

I don't want Brexit but this should have happened 3 years ago with a Brexiter PM in charge so that the campaign to re-enter could have started.

The hiatus is just painful.
 
This forum has an actual Brexit gif :hitsfan:
 
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Macron is holding out against yet another Brexit extension, he's already blocked the potential accession of two new members recently and seems to want to get on with reform and the business of the EU rather than the damage of Brexit.

Can't say I blame him - many thought BoJo needed Hungary's Orban to block the extension - Macron would have done it for free especially if we have bribed Hungary in some way. Whatever happens, the second stage - negotiations over the shape of deals between the UK and EU are still to be sorted and will be as protracted as Brexit itself has been.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Macron is holding out against yet another Brexit extension, he's already blocked the potential accession of two new members recently and seems to want to get on with reform and the business of the EU rather than the damage of Brexit.

Can't say I blame him - many thought BoJo needed Hungary's Orban to block the extension - Macron would have done it for free especially if we have bribed Hungary in some way.
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I suspect the other leaders will massively massage him and he'll massage back, just as massively. To some sort of compromise by which they'll all agree to something like a 14 day extension (as of Nov-01), with the prospect (not shared by Macron) to extend even that later.

But my crystal ball hasn't come back from service yet.
Whatever happens, the second stage - negotiations over the shape of deals between the UK and EU are still to be sorted and will be as protracted as Brexit itself has been.
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it'll be worse.

If anyone in the UK (better said England) thinks this was bad, just let 'em wait.

There's clearly a fantasy still presiding that won't die. Namely that England will be able to play football in future where "hand" and "offside" will apply only to the opposing team. Well, if the ERG thinks it can screw around with the EU (and base future success on) further inflating own financial service industry at the expense of everyone else (IOW Singapore on the Thames), they've all got something coming.

I've heard both French and German voices of prominence today voicing what they're loath to say in public. Namely doubting the merits of having such a nation as England in its current state even anywhere near the EU in future. Singular voices for sure and maybe not representative as yet. But gradually picking up in numbers.
 
Chagos said:
~ they'll all agree to something like a 14 day extension (as of Nov-01)
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That agreement will always be seen by many as weakness. I see it as pragmatism.

Chagos said:
~ There's clearly a fantasy still presiding that won't die. Namely that England will be able to play football in future where "hand" and "offside" will apply only to the opposing team. Well, if the ERG thinks it can screw around with the EU (and base future success on) further inflating own financial service industry at the expense of everyone else (IOW Singapore on the Thames), they've all got something coming ~
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Something in the water many of them drank at Eton I suspect. Possibly also a belief that they are born to rule, born to be right and born to lead. I've come across that kind of teaching in another sphere altogether and it is insidious and hard to combat.

Chagos said:
~ I've heard both French and German voices of prominence today voicing what they're loath to say in public. Namely doubting the merits of having such a nation as England in its current state even anywhere near the EU in future. Singular voices for sure and maybe not representative as yet. But gradually picking up in numbers.
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Yes, but it'll still be the EU's fault when it goes tits up won't it! :lamo
 
Jack Hays said:
How Brexit Will End
Sam Knight, The New Yorker
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Reportedly the EU is considering an extension pre-conditioned on there being no further negotiations on the terms of the deal. BJ's is a take it or leave it deal for Parliament. Since the dumbasses who passed the Benn Act thought they were going to get an extension to maneuver took away Johnson't ability to negotiate terms of an extension, they now have exactly two options--The existing deal or a hard brexit. Either one is a win for Johnson.
 
Drawdown said:
Reportedly the EU is considering an extension pre-conditioned on there being no further negotiations on the terms of the deal. BJ's is a take it or leave it deal for Parliament. Since the dumbasses who passed the Benn Act thought they were going to get an extension to maneuver took away Johnson't ability to negotiate terms of an extension, they now have exactly two options--The existing deal or a hard brexit. Either one is a win for Johnson.
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I don't try to predict, but I believe the Brits will be forced out one way or another.
 
Jack Hays said:
I don't try to predict, but I believe the Brits will be forced out one way or another.
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They aren't be forced out. They are quitting in accordance with the mandate of the referendum.
 
Drawdown said:
Reportedly the EU is considering an extension pre-conditioned on there being no further negotiations on the terms of the deal. BJ's is a take it or leave it deal for Parliament. Since the dumbasses who passed the Benn Act thought they were going to get an extension to maneuver took away Johnson't ability to negotiate terms of an extension, they now have exactly two options--The existing deal or a hard brexit. Either one is a win for Johnson.
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What the hell are you blathering about again now?
 
Brexit delayed until January 31st, but can happen before.

Sent from my Honor 8X
 
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