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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
PeteEU said:
So human rights is a joke for you? That countries don't have to live up to even basic human rights and can openly discrimate and kill like 2 bit dictatorships? That because Putin and China don't care about human rights then we don't have either?

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Human rights are not a joke, but the hypocrisy-driven UN official human rights apparatus certainly is.
 
Jack Hays said:
Human rights are not a joke, but the hypocrisy-driven UN official human rights apparatus certainly is.
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Yes but that does not have anything to do with the declaration on Human Rights does it? And certainly not the European declaration, which has nothing to do with the UN or EU..

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PeteEU said:
Yes but that does not have anything to do with the declaration on Human Rights does it? And certainly not the European declaration, which has nothing to do with the UN or EU..

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Fair enough.
 
Back to how will it go?

When I was a kid in pre-decimal days, a half-a-crown was an eighth of a pound sterling. It was colloquially known as "half-a-dollar", making the pound worth four USD. When the Brexit referendum took place, the pound was between £1.30 - £1.50. Since the day after, up til today, it's not far from parity.

The bank of England says the pound could fall a further 25% from where it is now if we get #NoDealBrexit.That would bring the pound down to around 81 cents. That plus WTO tariffs would send inflation through the roof!
 
[h=1]EU officials: No basis for 'meaningful' UK Brexit talks[/h]One negotiator said: "We are back where we were three years ago."
Diplomats from the other 27 EU member states were told on Monday that a no-deal scenario could only be avoided by making substantial changes to the plan on the table - which they could not accept.
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Clearest indication that we are heading over the cliff. MP Matt Hancock said yesterday it is now too late to stop a no deal and Europe has today told Britain there is no reason for further discussion.
The ERG get their way and we all get to pay the price.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Clearest indication that we are heading over the cliff. MP Matt Hancock said yesterday it is now too late to stop a no deal and Europe has today told Britain there is no reason for further discussion.
The ERG get their way and we all get to pay the price.
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It is basically a coup and it all started with Cameron changing the election law 8 years with the fixed term bull****.

Like it or not the Tory party is a threat to the little democracy that there was in the UK and if the opposition does not do something about it, then the Tories will continue to "do an Orban".

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Rogue Valley said:
Sucking up to Putin is no better.
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Well I wouldn't be too sure that BoJo doesn't have more murky interconnections with Putin's sphere of influence than Corbyn does. Mayor of London vs councillor in Islington? Hmm
 
In his hostility to NATO, the EU and the US, Corbyn would be on common ground with Putin, either wittingly or unwittingly.
 
Rogue Valley said:
In his hostility to NATO, the EU and the US, Corbyn would be on common ground with Putin, either wittingly or unwittingly.
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Well that hostility goes back to the Soviet times, which is why so many dislike him. Unlike Boris and Trump, Corbyn would never work with Putin or his minions as that would go against his basic views on capitalism and all that.

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Hard hitting as usual, this video explores why members of the ERG and the richer no-deal people are so keen to push for as quick a Brexit as possible and effectively this year.

If you don't have time for the video
1) Tax transparency laws will force companies to be much more transparent about the flow of finances.
2) If we are in a transition period, we have to follow EU tax rules that are coming.
3) Leaving without a deal means tax-dodgers escape those rules

Reiterates that many ordinary people who want Brexit are the last to benefit from what is coming.
 
PeteEU said:
Well that hostility goes back to the Soviet times, which is why so many dislike him. Unlike Boris and Trump, Corbyn would never work with Putin or his minions as that would go against his basic views on capitalism and all that.

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Was this intended seriously? Or as parody?
 
Jack Hays said:
Not at all, but I don't think that would be an impediment for Corbyn.
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Hard to pin Corbyn down on Putin - I think he's as trustworthy on Putin as any other of our extremists in Europe. That's on both sides of the political divide.
 
Jack Hays said:
Not at all, but I don't think that would be an impediment for Corbyn.
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Corbyn is a classical 1970s socialist. Flower power, people's power and democracy, workers rights and all that put into an ideology of the state controlling as much as possible.

Putin is corporate capitalist mafioso. He is in it for money and power with the usual dose of nationalist ideology. He could care less about workers rights and the people.

They are basically polar opposites.

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PeteEU said:
Corbyn is a classical 1970s socialist. Flower power, people's power and democracy, workers rights and all that put into an ideology of the state controlling as much as possible.

Putin is corporate capitalist mafioso. He is in it for money and power with the usual dose of nationalist ideology. He could care less about workers rights and the people.

They are basically polar opposites.

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And an old style Anti-Semite. I've seen nothing from him that would rule out working with Putin.
 
Jack Hays said:
And an old style Anti-Semite. I've seen nothing from him that would rule out working with Putin.
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He ain't an anti semite. He is pro Palestinian sure but that don't make you an anti semite.

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PeteEU said:
He ain't an anti semite. He is pro Palestinian sure but that don't make you an anti semite.

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Manc Skipper said:
That's what the Russian bots and the fascist right would have you believe.
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[h=3]UK Labour Members Accuse Leader of 'Allowing Antisemitism to Grow ...[/h]
[url]https://time.com › World › United Kingdom
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Jul 17, 2019 - More than 60 members of the UK Labour party have taken out a ... advert accusing leader Jeremy Corbyn of failing to tackle anti-Semitism.Missing: NYRB




[h=3]UK Labour Party in turmoil over new anti-Semitism claims - AP News[/h]
[url]https://www.apnews.com/707d90ac7d97497fb1883b2bee0061fd
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Jul 11, 2019 - LONDON (AP) — Britain's main opposition Labour Party was in ... documentary renewed allegations that anti-Semitism is rife within its ranks.Missing: NYRB




[h=3]Opinion | Jeremy Corbyn's Anti-Semitic Labour Party - The New York ...[/h]
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/opinion/corbyn-berger-anti-semitism.html
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Feb 28, 2019 - LONDON — Europe's gathering Jewish question came into sharp focus this month when a British M.P. declared that she had come to the ...Missing: NYRB



 
Jack Hays said:
UK Labour Members Accuse Leader of 'Allowing Antisemitism to Grow ...


TIME | Current & Breaking News | National & World Updates › World › United Kingdom



Jul 17, 2019 - More than 60 members of the UK Labour party have taken out a ... advert accusing leader Jeremy Corbyn of failing to tackle anti-Semitism.Missing: NYRB




UK Labour Party in turmoil over new anti-Semitism claims - AP News


UK Labour Party in turmoil over new anti-Semitism claims



Jul 11, 2019 - LONDON (AP) — Britain's main opposition Labour Party was in ... documentary renewed allegations that anti-Semitism is rife within its ranks.Missing: NYRB




Opinion | Jeremy Corbyn's Anti-Semitic Labour Party - The New York ...


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/opinion/corbyn-berger-anti-semitism.html

Feb 28, 2019 - LONDON — Europe's gathering Jewish question came into sharp focus this month when a British M.P. declared that she had come to the ...Missing: NYRB
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All part of the smear campaign. Labour's right wing is trying to unseat their lefty leader by any means.

Jewish Labour members support Corbyn, with a few notable exceptions.


This Professor is an Israeli historian.Is he an antisemite too?

https://twitter.com/WarmongerHodges/status/1161226668066967552
 
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