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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
Infinite Chaos said:
Sadly true. some of the interviews on Brexit are very funny - have you come across London Broadcasting Corporation's James O'Brien?

Jacob Rees Mogg bravely goes onto the show for a 22 minute interview and he's quite evasive on a lot of things. His economics guru is however one of the sole supporters of Margaret Thatcher's Poll Tax. I admired her but Poll Tax was a horrible idea which added to bringing her down.
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I wish James was on TV exposing the Brexit people. He is brilliant in making Brexit morons admit that they have no idea what they are talking about.

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PeteEU said:
I wish James was on TV exposing the Brexit people. He is brilliant in making Brexit morons admit that they have no idea what they are talking about.

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Yes, you are a true tolerant, democratic, inclusive Remainer, utilising that tried and trusted method of dismissing 17m people as intellectually challenged :roll:


I mean, just because a tactic has failed miserably for 3 years, doesn't mean it might not work eventually :)
 
Falling net migration of cheap labor from the EU coincides with increases in average earnings, falling unemployment, and rising job vacancies.


Employment, Job Vacancies, Earnings up as EU Net Migration Falls


Earnings are up and British employment and job vacancies are at record highs at the country experiences its lowest net EU immigration since 2012.
From September to November 2018, 75.8 percent of people aged 16 to 64 were in paid employment — the highest since records began in 1971, according to figures published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) on Tuesday.



The economically inactive (not looking for employment) are at 21 percent — again, the lowest since 1971 — while the unemployment rate is at four percent, its lowest rate since the mid-1970s.

Earnings are also up by 3.4 percent in cash terms (1.2 percent once inflation is taken into account).

In addition, for October to December 2018, there were 853,000 job openings — 39,000 more than compared to the same time period the year before and representing a record high.
 
Westphalian said:
Yes, you are a true tolerant, democratic, inclusive Remainer, utilising that tried and trusted method of dismissing 17m people as intellectually challenged :roll:..........~
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No idea what you think you're accomplishing with this constant moan, but you can whine about the intellectually challenged being intellectually challenged until your vodka turns purple, it won't make the so addressed more intelligent.
 
Westphalian said:
Falling net migration of cheap labor from the EU coincides with increases in average earnings, falling unemployment, and rising job vacancies.


Employment, Job Vacancies, Earnings up as EU Net Migration Falls


Earnings are up and British employment and job vacancies are at record highs at the country experiences its lowest net EU immigration since 2012.
From September to November 2018, 75.8 percent of people aged 16 to 64 were in paid employment — the highest since records began in 1971, according to figures published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) on Tuesday.



The economically inactive (not looking for employment) are at 21 percent — again, the lowest since 1971 — while the unemployment rate is at four percent, its lowest rate since the mid-1970s.

Earnings are also up by 3.4 percent in cash terms (1.2 percent once inflation is taken into account).

In addition, for October to December 2018, there were 853,000 job openings — 39,000 more than compared to the same time period the year before and representing a record high.
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Breitbart :roll:
 
PeteEU said:
Honda preparing to axe 3,500 jobs by closing Swindon plant, says report | The Independent

Auch that is gonna hurt..

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This was a big surprise; Airbus and Nissan have made more noise about possibly moving production out of the UK and many Leavers rubbished them while citing Honda's decision to upgrade investment as a support for the UK's position after the referendum.

Those people will be very quiet today about Honda's factory closure.
 
Westphalian said:
Yes, you are a true tolerant, democratic, inclusive Remainer, utilising that tried and trusted method of dismissing 17m people as intellectually challenged :roll:


I mean, just because a tactic has failed miserably for 3 years, doesn't mean it might not work eventually :)
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Since you're the only one round here getting paid to do this stuff, could you find out what, if anything, Michael Gove's been up to?

Him being such a Leave guru and top minister, been awful dog not barking in night recently.
 
Chagos said:
The laughable thing with this is the reaction of the political talking heads.

I heard one politico (obviously a leaver) say it had nothing to do with Brexit, while another (clearly a remainer) said it had everything to do with that.
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And what are the opinions of those on here?


Is there harmony or not that it isn't Brexit related?
 
Snazzy said:
And what are the opinions of those on here?


Is there harmony or not that it isn't Brexit related?
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Bit of a cheek asking questions of others when you've ignored all the questions I or others have asked you. I won't repeat them again - if you're honestly going to ask for them - use the "Who Quoted Me?" function of the forum.
It'll be among your notifications..........
 
Jack Hays said:
~ The Remain campaign was complacent ~
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Disagree. And yes, I know the statement comes from the link and not your keypad.

The Remain campaign never had a chance against 40-45 years of politicians and red-tops blaming the EU for all manner of mistakes made by British politicians or falsehoods attributed to the EU. I don't believe all the Leave voters were racist but many wanted rules to apply to foreigners wishing to come to the UK when not always aware those same rules would apply to them.

Ask a man with 10p to his name to give it away and ask another with £1,000,000 to his name to give it away and you get predictable results so I think many just didn't understand that voters with very little future in some constituencies that had little chance of changing the economic outlook saw Leave as any kind of change being better than the status quo.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Disagree. And yes, I know the statement comes from the link and not your keypad.

The Remain campaign never had a chance against 40-45 years of politicians and red-tops blaming the EU for all manner of mistakes made by British politicians or falsehoods attributed to the EU. I don't believe all the Leave voters were racist but many wanted rules to apply to foreigners wishing to come to the UK when not always aware those same rules would apply to them.

Ask a man with 10p to his name to give it away and ask another with £1,000,000 to his name to give it away and you get predictable results so I think many just didn't understand that voters with very little future in some constituencies that had little chance of changing the economic outlook saw Leave as any kind of change being better than the status quo.
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The Remain campaign assumed they would win. That's why the feckless Cameron decided to risk fundamental national interests to solve an intra-Tory political problem by promising the referendum in the first place.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Bit of a cheek asking questions of others when you've ignored all the questions I or others have asked you. I won't repeat them again - if you're honestly going to ask for them - use the "Who Quoted Me?" function of the forum.
It'll be among your notifications..........
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Not really cheeky, unless you're easily cheeked?

Why exaggerate by saying that I have ignored "ALL" the questions that I have been asked. Clearly that's not true!

And honestly - I'm not going ask for them, but do feel free to fire away.

I'd still be interested to know if you feel Honda's decision is Brexit related or not, although if you're going to carry on spitting your dummy out then I'm sure I'll make do without your opinion.
 
Sven Karma said:
Workers blame Brexit for demise of Honda's Swindon plant | Business | The Guardian

"... He also felt Brexit was to blame. “People voted for something without thinking of the consequences – it is what it is,” he said."

Swindon is why Leavers are running scared of a second referendum.
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Since Honda have made it very clear, as reported prominently in UK media, that the decision has nothing to do with Brexit and much to do with the establishment's decision to try to foist electric cars on consumers, I'm sure that people will form their opinions.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Disagree. And yes, I know the statement comes from the link and not your keypad.

The Remain campaign never had a chance against 40-45 years of politicians and red-tops blaming the EU for all manner of mistakes made by British politicians or falsehoods attributed to the EU. I don't believe all the Leave voters were racist but many wanted rules to apply to foreigners wishing to come to the UK when not always aware those same rules would apply to them.

Ask a man with 10p to his name to give it away and ask another with £1,000,000 to his name to give it away and you get predictable results so I think many just didn't understand that voters with very little future in some constituencies that had little chance of changing the economic outlook saw Leave as any kind of change being better than the status quo.
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Finally - a Remainer who understands something beyond insulting all Brexiters as moronic racists. Kudos to you IC.


The Uk's immigration policy inside the EU has been based on geography. If you're from the EU you can come in automatically. If you're highly skilled and from outside the EU then you can't and have to go through a process even if the UK needs your skill set.

This sort of arbitrary and rather mad discrimination is not a sensible basis for an immigration policy and I think that very many people understand this clearly.
 
Westphalian said:
Since Honda have made it very clear, as reported prominently in UK media, that the decision has nothing to do with Brexit and much to do with the establishment's decision to try to foist electric cars on consumers, I'm sure that people will form their opinions.
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If they depend on what what you offer, it's not going to be a particularly informed one either.

Whether you are actually as ignorant of the Japanese automotive industry (or any other) as you demonstrate, or whether you are simply catering to your own frenzy of putting Europe down and thus UK's leave up, it's all immaterial here.

But for the benefit of other readers it needs to be known that the Japanese business class rarely (if ever) takes political sides in affairs of second and third countries. It's policy not to do that.

So Honda is hardly going to go spouting over how Brexit uncertainty has had an effect on its decision to close Swindon. Same with Nissan pointing to disappointing sales of its X-Trail as reason for shelving its UK expansion plans

Unlike Ford, Jaguar (Land Rover), BMW, Airbus etc. who don't mince words and (in a most un-Japanese openness) call spades, spades.

In addition one needs to see the EU's free trade agreement with Japan, just coming into effect. IOW no tariffs on Japanese car imports (and vice versa) and aligning technical standards (specifications) to be the same in either country/region. That makes for certainty, something the UK location can currently not offer.

Amazing though how the British press is denigrated as a bunch of habitual liars in virtually every one of Westphalian's post, while in this case it's suddenly become the spreader of gospel.

Where all it did was quote Honda ad verbatim but also (conveniently ignored as usual) provides more background than Honda's official stance cared to give.

With Japanese management being far from dumb, "The Gateway to Europe" is seen as closing
 
Westphalian said:
~.................... Kudos to you IC.
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but none at all to you, Gospodin, for highlighting only what is convenient to your well-known agenda, while ignoring an equally salient point in IC's post, namely
The Remain campaign never had a chance against 40-45 years of politicians and red-tops blaming the EU for all manner of mistakes made by British politicians or falsehoods attributed to the EU.
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which conveniently slipped your mind, eh? :roll:
The Uk's immigration policy inside the EU has been based on geography. If you're from the EU you can come in automatically. If you're highly skilled and from outside the EU then you can't and have to go through a process even if the UK needs your skill set.
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The customary balderdash. It's already been pointed out elsewhere that skilled personnel can be imported from wherever any EU country pleases. What regulations it sets is up to that country.
This sort of arbitrary and rather mad discrimination is not a sensible basis for an immigration policy and I think that very many people understand this clearly.
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As can be seen as habitual by now, you either don't know what you're talking about, or (depending how convenient it is to your spin) choose not to.
 
Jack Hays said:
The Remain campaign assumed they would win.
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That bit is true. The leadership felt the financial case didn't need to be made as forcefully as it could have been and they misunderstood that the sheer level of wilful ignorance of the rules and ability to limit immigration on local services would have.

Jack Hays said:
That's why the feckless Cameron decided to risk fundamental national interests to solve an intra-Tory political problem by promising the referendum in the first place.
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He was pretty much forced into it. Every Conservative PM has battled to varying levels with the sceptics to the point the sceptics have become a party within the party and we are seeing both centrist Labour and centrist Conservatives looking at independent groups in Parliament.

Snazzy said:
~ but do feel free to fire away.

I'd still be interested to know if you feel Honda's decision is Brexit related or not, although if you're going to carry on spitting your dummy out then I'm sure I'll make do without your opinion.
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Already stated - you know how to find questions asked of you but you won't bother. As you won't bother, I'm not going to respond to your Honda question. I'll also ignore the moronic "spitting your dummy out" comment. Just shows the level of engagement you've put into this thread.

Westphalian said:
Finally - a Remainer who understands something beyond insulting all Brexiters as moronic racists. Kudos to you IC ~
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I refer you to Chagos' answers just above this post however you forget I am a Remain supporter who thinks we should honour the referendum. There were consequences either way for whichever party won and those consequences have to be faced now.
Brexit will force a reset and re-evaluation. It could be that as Rees Mogg and Patrick Minford, his favourite economist have stated that both banking and manufacturing have to be decimated in the same way as Thatcher (I supported her on this but not on Brexit destroying British industry) decimated British coal and steel industries through taking away financial support.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Already stated - you know how to find questions asked of you but you won't bother. As you won't bother, I'm not going to respond to your Honda question. I'll also ignore the moronic "spitting your dummy out" comment. Just shows the level of engagement you've put into this thread.
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I see the toys are still flying out of the pram.

You're coming across a tad childish IC.

You didn't answer my question, so I'm not answering yours..... Na-nana-naa-nah!

Pathetic!
 
Snazzy said:
I see the toys are still flying out of the pram.

You're coming across a tad childish IC.

You didn't answer my question, so I'm not answering yours..... Na-nana-naa-nah!

Pathetic!
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No further waste of space and bandwidth.
 
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