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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
PeteEU said:
Tusk has said the EU would be okay with a long delay If the UK wants to rethink it Brexit strategy [emoji24].

Expect the usual anti European rants from the Brexit types... Hilarious.

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I am sure the UK economy will love that. /s

I think that is the EU's plan with that statement. Prolong Brexit so long the UK has an even weaker economy and bargaining position, they haven't even left and the economy is already in tatters.

Though I think the EU should just kick them to curb.
 
Likely that May will re-present her deal on Tuesday for a third go.

Meanwhile the focus today shifting more to Labour's splits on a second referendum - an idea which is still a long way short of having a majority.
 
Westphalian said:
Likely that May will re-present her deal on Tuesday for a third go.
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Why she would want to completely humiliate herself even further (if that's possible) is beyond me.
 
PeteEU said:
Tusk has said the EU would be okay with a long delay If the UK wants to rethink it Brexit strategy [emoji24] ~
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We couldn't do this with Theresa may at the helm. She's been a total disaster.
 
I'll admit Im not too familiar with how the British government works, but this Brexit handling of theirs is making me even more confused with just how things get done over there...
 
PoS said:
I'll admit Im not too familiar with how the British government works, but this Brexit handling of theirs is making me even more confused with just how things get done over there...
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This is unprecedented mate, I don't think anyone knew how to handle this.
 
412 MPs for and 202 against in the latest vote seeking a delay to Brexit.

Theresa May.... she'll polish her dog-turd for one last attempt and then hopefully step down. She's wasted 2 .5 years of this whole process.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
412 MPs for and 202 against in the latest vote seeking a delay to Brexit.

Theresa May.... she'll polish her dog-turd for one last attempt and then hopefully step down. She's wasted 2 .5 years of this whole process.
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A government supported motion.


Notable that a motion for a second referendum was defeated 334 - 85.
 
To re-cap on parliamentary votes and MP's achievements this week:


Tuesday - voted against May's Withdrawal Agreement


Wednesday - voted against leaving the EU without a deal


Today - voted against parliament taking control of parliamentary business

- voted against a second referendum



Next week - MPs will vote on May's Withdrawal agreement for a third time.



Everyone clear?
 
Westphalian said:
To re-cap on parliamentary votes and MP's achievements this week:


Tuesday - voted against May's Withdrawal Agreement


Wednesday - voted against leaving the EU without a deal


Today - voted against parliament taking control of parliamentary business

- voted against a second referendum



Next week - MPs will vote on May's Withdrawal agreement for a third time.



Everyone clear?
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So in other words nothing changed except May losing any authority she had.
 
Carjosse said:
So in other words nothing changed except May losing any authority she had.
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Well, yes, May's authority is diminished and she has no future as PM.


Her legacy is therefore entirely defined by getting her agreement passed next week, which might at least clutch some success (in her terms) from this whole affair. I still think there is a small probability of her doing so.
 
Theresa May is planning to hold another "meaningful vote" on her withdrawal deal by Wednesday - after it was overwhelmingly rejected on two previous occasions.
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The woman has OCD.... and the hide / sensitivity of a rhinoceros.
 
Westphalian said:
Well, yes, May's authority is diminished and she has no future as PM.

Her legacy is therefore entirely defined by getting her agreement passed next week, which might at least clutch some success (in her terms) from this whole affair. I still think there is a small probability of her doing so.
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More accurate would be 'faint possibility'. This stuff about the Vienna Convention sounds more like yet another unicorn hunt. A few more ERGs may peel away 3rd time round but with difficulty will it be enough.

May hasn't really had a future as PM since the last GE result; all she has now is to hang on till the summer to ensure she has a longer tenure than Gordon Brown.
 
Truly surreal:

"the Brexit secretary, Steve Barclay ... voted against the government’s motion extending article 50, preferring to keep the threat of no deal in place. ...

Barclay wound up the debate for the government, saying: “It is time for this house to act in the national interest, it’s time to put forward an extension that is realistic” – before trooping through the no lobby to reject that argument."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/14/mps-vote-by-majority-of-210-to-extend-article-50-and-delay-brexit
 
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Sven Karma said:
Truly surreal:

"the Brexit secretary, Steve Barclay ... voted against the government’s motion extending article 50, preferring to keep the threat of no deal in place. ...

Barclay wound up the debate for the government, saying: “It is time for this house to act in the national interest, it’s time to put forward an extension that is realistic” – before trooping through the no lobby to reject that argument."

MPs back Brexit delay as votes lay bare cabinet divisions | Politics | The Guardian
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Slightly surreal, but it was a free vote.


Barclay was enunciating the government position, but took advantage of the free vote to express his personal view.

In context, after Rudd et al defied a three line whip on the no deal vote without consequences, it seems fair enough.
 
Westphalian said:
To re-cap on parliamentary votes and MP's achievements this week:


Tuesday - voted against May's Withdrawal Agreement


Wednesday - voted against leaving the EU without a deal


Today - voted against parliament taking control of parliamentary business

- voted against a second referendum



Next week - MPs will vote on May's Withdrawal agreement for a third time.



Everyone clear?
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The only thing here I'm crystal clear about (if the last year has taught me anything) is that all of the above votes mean absolutely nothing at all.

When Brexit is inevitably postponed, there will probably be a general election at some point, or certainly a shake-up of current positions within the Conservatives.

So, a new leader, perhaps a new party in power, a cabinet reshuffle, etc.

This is turn will mean that all the above amendments will most definitely be voted for again.
 
Westphalian said:
Slightly surreal, but it was a free vote.


Barclay was enunciating the government position, but took advantage of the free vote to express his personal view.

In context, after Rudd et al defied a three line whip on the no deal vote without consequences, it seems fair enough.
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Apart from the fact that it will be Barclay who has to go back to Brussels to negotiate the extension he just voted against. I think even Trump wouldn't put a flat-earther in charge of his Space Force.
 
PoS said:
What the heck is wrong with her? Cant she see what she is doing isnt working?
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“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”

Albert Einstein
 
Working to get the DUP on side will carry their 10 MPs plus another 30-50 Tory rebels.

Then there are a number of Labour rebels (who have been quiet thus far) who may be prepared to switch sides to support May's deal.

The maths are against it, but it's possible that she may get it through next week.
 
PoS said:
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About sums it up. Unfortunately the Conservatives chose the wrong woman for PM. (Not saying the gruesome Andrea Leadsom was a better choice)

My candidate would have been Ruth Davidson and she is the closest we have to a fiery, passionate speaker like 24 year old Mhairi Black of the SNP.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
About sums it up. Unfortunately the Conservatives chose the wrong woman for PM. (Not saying the gruesome Andrea Leadsom was a better choice)

My candidate would have been Ruth Davidson and she is the closest we have to a fiery, passionate speaker like 24 year old Mhairi Black of the SNP.
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Not that I disagree with you, but she has explicitly rejected the possibility of being PM: Ruth Davidson: 'I value mental health over being PM' - BBC News

I have noticed that this week the Gov. have pulled their 'leaving the EU on March 29th' radio ads.
 
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March 29th... also the day the last US troops fled.. err evacuated.. err left Vietnam. Kinda ominous no? yes just finished watching a long PBS Vietnam documentary :)
 
Sven Karma said:
Not that I disagree with you, but she has explicitly rejected the possibility of being PM: Ruth Davidson: 'I value mental health over being PM' - BBC News

I have noticed that this week the Gov. have pulled their 'leaving the EU on March 29th' radio ads.
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Unfortunately those who end up in power are not usually the ones who will actually do best.

I wonder whether the Conservative party needs to split down the middle. The pro and anti Europe sides are too mismatched for us to ever really run cohesive govt again.
When you consider some of the ERG have also publicly stated they will happily bring down their own Govt - it makes no sense to keep the two sides together..
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Unfortunately those who end up in power are not usually the ones who will actually do best.

I wonder whether the Conservative party needs to split down the middle. The pro and anti Europe sides are too mismatched for us to ever really run cohesive govt again.
When you consider some of the ERG have also publicly stated they will happily bring down their own Govt - it makes no sense to keep the two sides together..
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Yes, should have happened 30 years ago when the anti-Europe Tories started to bitch and lay down roadblocks for the rest of Europe.
 
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