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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
Chagos said:
Maybe that's (also) because the realization is dawning on even the thickest of them that their potential future supplier of milk and honey (the one that would replace their EU losses) has just left them in the lurch.

Both politically and, far more important right now, militarily.

That all the other members of NATO (EU and others) suffer the same fate is probably of little consolence.
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Trade with the EU is doing fine…why do you people feel the need to mislead?

U.K. Exports With the EU Again Above Pre-Brexit Levels
 
Good news that truck drivers are at last going to be able to earn a decent living too…employers have been compressing wages with cheap imported labour for too long. If someone then says that will increase prices it just goes to show how dumb they are…an average artic truck can carry hundreds of thousands of pounds of goods… upping a driver’s wage by a few quid will have no impact and also encourage more people into the job…until they are replaced by self driving trucks …..😂
 
Chagos said:
I didn't say it was doing badly, I was referring to Brexiteer expectations at the time.

Better said the expectations of some of them who, in the same breath, propagated how the golden UK-US future alliance would soon outdo any EU performance.
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The Brexit that was sold was one of glorious shiny free trade with Europe while outside the EU. Nothing about losing freedom of movement, a 90 day limit on visits to the EU, or even leaving the Customs Union.
EU truckers weren't undercutting wages, they won't travel to the UK because they are paid per trip and there's no telling how long the delays getting through customs will be, so they avoid losing pay waiting in line by not coming in at all. This leaves British truckers with an impossible workload, leading to random food shortages IN Britain.
 
Big Eye said:
Good news that truck drivers are at last going to be able to earn a decent living too…employers have been compressing wages with cheap imported labour for too long. If someone then says that will increase prices it just goes to show how dumb they are…an average artic truck can carry hundreds of thousands of pounds of goods… upping a driver’s wage by a few quid will have no impact and also encourage more people into the job…until they are replaced by self driving trucks …..😂
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HGV drivers earn above the average UK yearly wage...so they already earn a decent living.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The Brexit that was sold was one of glorious shiny free trade with Europe while outside the EU. Nothing about losing freedom of movement, a 90 day limit on visits to the EU, or even leaving the Customs Union.
EU truckers weren't undercutting wages, they won't travel to the UK because they are paid per trip and there's no telling how long the delays getting through customs will be, so they avoid losing pay waiting in line by not coming in at all. This leaves British truckers with an impossible workload, leading to random food shortages IN Britain.
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PeteEU said:
HGV drivers earn above the average UK yearly wage...so they already earn a decent living.
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One of the reasons I don't post here all that much any more, is the blatant illogic that Brexiteers in here have to resort to in their frenzied attempts at denying all the effects anyone with a brain can see.

Prime example being how EU drivers supposedly undercut the wages of UK drivers, thus precluding the latter from earning a decent living. So now, with the EU guys out of the game, the Brit trucker gets more while prices in the supermarkets will no doubt decrease? While the UK is drawing up a bigger trucker community than ever before?

One simply can't make this shit up.:rolleyes:

Meanwhile I can no longer be bothered with posters that brag about an increase in UK exports to the EU, while ignoring the widening of the trade deficit that occurred in the same instance.
 
Chagos said:
One of the reasons I don't post here all that much any more, is the blatant illogic that Brexiteers in here have to resort to in their frenzied attempts at denying all the effects anyone with a brain can see.
It's almost like they don't live here
Prime example being how EU drivers supposedly undercut the wages of UK drivers, thus precluding the latter from earning a decent living. So now, with the EU guys out of the game, the Brit trucker gets more while prices in the supermarkets will no doubt decrease? While the UK is drawing up a bigger trucker community than ever before?

One simply can't make this shit up.:rolleyes:

Meanwhile I can no longer be bothered with posters that brag about an increase in UK exports to the EU, while ignoring the widening of the trade deficit that occurred in the same instance.
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It's almost like they don't even live here! ;)
Only the week before, the government were sending in 5000 army personnel to cover a shortfall of 20,000 truckers jobs that can't be filled! Agencies are advertising for pensioners to come back to work at driving jobs!
They've even changed the rules on their Covid app which was pinging so often to warn people to stop work since they'd had a contact, that transport links were collapsing anyway.
 
PeteEU said:
Amazing how silent the Brexit people have become.
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To be fair it has been pretty much overwhelmed in the news by Covid and I can't really blame the media for that.

Brexit was bad but Covid is a disaster.
On the plus side though Crossrail is nearly finished and has a kind of firm opening date so it's not all bad, just mostly.
 
Imagine if Labour were in power, and supermarket shelves were empty for lack of delivery drivers. Food was rotting on farms without any furrin pickers There weren't enough test tubes for blood tests! We'd had over 150K Covid deaths. We'd abandoned our Afghan allies. And no-one had resigned. The media would be screaming for blood. But they're not, and here we are.
 
Chagos said:
I didn't say it was doing badly, I was referring to Brexiteer expectations at the time.

Better said the expectations of some of them who, in the same breath, propagated how the golden UK-US future alliance would soon outdo any EU performance.
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The reality is that Covid has had a bigger effect than Brexit…Brexit has had no negative effects on trade…just accept you were wrong and tried to mislead.
 
PeteEU said:
HGV drivers earn above the average UK yearly wage...so they already earn a decent living.
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Rubbish…I actually know people that do it for a living. Some earn more than others but it’s a job where the wages do not compensate for the lifestyle. 10 to 12 pounds an hour is shit.
 
Big Eye said:
Rubbish…I actually know people that do it for a living. Some earn more than others but it’s a job where the wages do not compensate for the lifestyle. 10 to 12 pounds an hour is shit.
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Wait a minute.. "compensate for the lifestyle" HAHAHA, what kind of bullshit is that?

The average wage is 13.84 pounds per hour or over 30k a year, which is 2% above average wage in the UK.

You are also ignoring that the higher the wage for these truck drivers goes up, the higher prices for the goods they move around goes up.
 
Yeah, as I said.
Chagos said:
One of the reasons I don't post here all that much any more, is the blatant illogic that Brexiteers in here have to resort to in their frenzied attempts at denying all the effects anyone with a brain can see...........................~
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PeteEU said:
Wait a minute.. "compensate for the lifestyle" HAHAHA, what kind of bullshit is that?

The average wage is 13.84 pounds per hour or over 30k a year, which is 2% above average wage in the UK.

You are also ignoring that the higher the wage for these truck drivers goes up, the higher prices for the goods they move around goes up.
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The fact is that truck driving is badly paid…that’s why cheap Labour had to be imported to do it. I know facts don't usually tie in with remainer narratives but it doesn’t take much to work this out. You have to jump through hoops and obey as many regulations as airline pilots to be a truck driver…long distance drivers spend much of the week sleeping in their cabs too.
 
Big Eye said:
The fact is that truck driving is badly paid…that’s why cheap Labour had to be imported to do it. I know facts don't usually tie in with remainer narratives but it doesn’t take much to work this out. You have to jump through hoops and obey as many regulations as airline pilots to be a truck driver…long distance drivers spend much of the week sleeping in their cabs too.
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Truck driving is NOT badly paid. You get an above average yearly wage. Yes HGV drivers sleep in their trucks.... and so what?

So you are one of those that dont want to train the HGV drivers or pilots... cause damn those regulations that keep people safe. Yea, let HGV drivers drive as long as they want and so what if they fall asleep behind the wheel and kill people.

But again, HGV drivers are not badly paid and in fact get above average pay.
 
Don't know why you are all debating about this still, its old news. UK left, it isn't re-joining. Both the UK and EU have problems they are going to have to face now, mainly inflation and more debt from the coronavirus.
 
PeteEU said:
Truck driving is NOT badly paid. You get an above average yearly wage. Yes HGV drivers sleep in their trucks.... and so what?

So you are one of those that dont want to train the HGV drivers or pilots... cause damn those regulations that keep people safe. Yea, let HGV drivers drive as long as they want and so what if they fall asleep behind the wheel and kill people.

But again, HGV drivers are not badly paid and in fact get above average pay.
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Truck driving used to be a good job…no longer. Low wage Eastern Europeans have driven ( 😜) the wages down…and if you think £13 an hour is good recompense for taking responsibility for a £250,000 truck and trailer plus contents and not getting home at night , then I’d suggest you are out of touch with reality.
 
GarzaUK said:
Don't know why you are all debating about this still, its old news. UK left, it isn't re-joining. Both the UK and EU have problems they are going to have to face now, mainly inflation and more debt from the coronavirus.
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I agree…and it’s great to see Eddie. 🤘
 
GarzaUK said:
Don't know why you are all debating about this still, its old news. UK left, it isn't re-joining. Both the UK and EU have problems they are going to have to face now, mainly inflation and more debt from the coronavirus.
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Eh, it's the gift that keeps on giving:

www.theguardian.com

Wetherspoon’s short on some beers as Brexit affects deliveries

Pub chain confirms shortages of Carling and Coors, with one notice blaming ‘lack of lorry drivers and strike action’
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Sven Karma said:
Eh, it's the gift that keeps on giving:

www.theguardian.com

Wetherspoon’s short on some beers as Brexit affects deliveries

Pub chain confirms shortages of Carling and Coors, with one notice blaming ‘lack of lorry drivers and strike action’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Which means that European breweries are also suffering as they cannot get their products to the usual clients.

Problem with the brexit debate is people keep treating it as a zero-sum game.

And the guardian really? The supposed paper of the working class that is propped up by left wing wealthy bourgeois benefactors? Why don't you quote fox news while you are at it lol?
 
GarzaUK said:
Which means that European breweries are also suffering as they cannot get their products to the usual clients.

Problem with the brexit debate is people keep treating it as a zero-sum game.

And the guardian really? The supposed paper of the working class that is propped up by left wing wealthy bourgeois benefactors? Why don't you quote fox news while you are at it lol?
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Sky news would be a more realistic proposition for UK news, no?

If the independent website weren't rather cluttered with videos and the times one paywalled, I would link to them more.

I still buy physical newspapers but haven't bought the guardian for about 5 years on account of a couple of things that really annoyed me, but its newsgathering is decent enough.

So linking to it gives me the double pleasure of winding people like you up and the amusement of laughing heartlessly when they inform me that I've read 4,100 articles this year and would I like to contribute. Sorroight lads, I bought your rag for several decades, you'll just have to get by without me.

hope that helps
 
GarzaUK said:
Which means that European breweries are also suffering as they cannot get their products to the usual clients.
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Almost all breweries in the UK are owned by foreigners and most of the beer sold, is made in the UK.

The impact on the breweries is significant of course, but it is British customers and workers who will suffer the most.
 
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