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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
Re: Brexit

Higgins86 said:
I don’t think that can be allowed to happen. It would be a disaster for Europe and us.
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You are there; what do you think will happen? Revote?


The original vote was razor thin, yes?
 
Re: Brexit

Rexedgar said:
You are there; what do you think will happen? Revote?


The original vote was razor thin, yes?
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I voted to leave but we’ve been so let down by our government that at this point I’d take another referendum and give everyone another chance to vote. Problem is the clock is ticking and the EU have made no promises that we can just remain.
The whole thing is a disgrace. Not everyone will agree but i truly think that the people’s will has been ignored and that London and the establishment have done everything they could to derail the process starting with day one when most of the cabinet resigned. If they thought the north and working class felt disenfranchised before they should wait to see what happens in the coming years.
 
Re: Brexit

Higgins86 said:
~.................... Problem is the clock is ticking and the EU have made no promises that we can just remain.
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Late last year the European Court of Justice ruled that Britain had the power to revoke Article 50 and cancel Brexit.

The process is fairly simple: the government would have to send its notification to the European Council in writing – in much the same way as it started the process. The court says this notification must follow “a democratic process in accordance with national constitutional requirements” – more on that later. The UK would then stay in the EU and there would be no change to its current relationship.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...u-latest-parliament-theresa-may-a8690886.html

But one need see that revoking Art. 50 would have to take place by (before) Mar-29, the current cut-off date.

Possibility exists of asking for that date to be extended, something which all EU governments (27) would have to agree to.
The whole thing is a disgrace. Not everyone will agree but i truly think that the people’s will has been ignored and that London and the establishment have done everything they could to derail the process starting with day one when most of the cabinet resigned. If they thought the north and working class felt disenfranchised before they should wait to see what happens in the coming years.
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Totally agree.

On technicalities though, there's no real guarantee that another referendum would furnish a different result to the last one. Simply on account of people that are thick remain just that, thick.

In any case, a political majority would be required to start another referendum and lack of guts (on the side of the political scum) will preclude that from forming.
 
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Whether you're remainer or leaver, one cannot deny that Parliament just lit a a Molotov Cocktail and hurled it at the country.

Labour has just tabled a motion of no confidence, which could trigger an election, 2 months before the deadline and the EU has said that it will not re-negotiate.

So, what in the ****ing world happens from here I have no idea, I am a firm remainer and no one really knew what they were actually voting for with Brexit and everyone who put into motion that Referendum all walked away when it was said and done, it's a sham and sometimes the people are wrong.

I hope somehow Britain remains in the EU... However I'm realistic enough to know that what Parliament just did could be, potentially, maybe utterly catastrophic.
 
Re: Brexit

celticwar17 said:
First off, I don't see why people wanting to leave the EU is considered such a bad thing....or a country wanting to. Having your laws and issues be addressed by the closest government possible is the whole point of being a Independent Republic. It is ESSENTIAL that people feel like they have direct representation for the laws in their land. Huge government Bureaucracies like the EU is in direct opposite spirit to that.

People hate brexit because it's considered a Right vrs. Left wing issue..... so they immediately picked their teams.


As far as updates... I have no idea. If Brexit doesn't happen though, democracy dies in Europe.... votes mean nothing.
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Most laws are addressed by the UK Parliament. The laws that are not, are in areas the UK has agreed to give the EU power to do so in order to secure the internal market.

The EU bureaucracy is actually small. 55k employees serving 500 million. More people work in the UK tax office (60k), serving 66 million people, than in the EU.

The EU also advocats that governing be as close to the citizen as possible. That is why local government can contact the EU directly for funding and not have to go through often hostile national governments.

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PeteEU said:
Most laws are addressed by the UK Parliament. The laws that are not, are in areas the UK has agreed to give the EU power to do so in order to secure the internal market.

The EU bureaucracy is actually small. 55k employees serving 500 million. More people work in the UK tax office (60k), serving 66 million people, than in the EU.

The EU also advocats that governing be as close to the citizen as possible. That is why local government can contact the EU directly for funding and not have to go through often hostile national governments.

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"the laws that are not" is the issue... and no it started off as things to do with securing "an internal market", it has become much more than that now.

Number of people mean nothing to my point. The amount of power and influence is what makes the bureaucracy big.

"The EU also advocats that governing be as close to the citizen as possible." Unless a country or people disagrees with it's policies....
 
Re: Brexit

Higgins86 said:
I don’t think that can be allowed to happen. It would be a disaster for Europe and us.
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The March deadline is coming soon and there's no Parliamentary majority for any course of action. If nothing is done then hard Brexit is the default choice.
 
Re: Brexit

Jetboogieman said:
Whether you're remainer or leaver, one cannot deny that Parliament just lit a a Molotov Cocktail and hurled it at the country.

Labour has just tabled a motion of no confidence, which could trigger an election, 2 months before the deadline and the EU has said that it will not re-negotiate.
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May will survive the no confidence vote. Those of her own that down-voted her deal today will vote in her favour, as will the 10 DUP jerks who voted against her today.

None of them want a snap election that might hoist Corbyn and Labour into the saddle, because that would haul THEIR butts out.

The EU won't re-negotiate since nobody can tell it on what and with whom.

So, what in the ****ing world happens from here I have no idea, I am a firm remainer and no one really knew what they were actually voting for with Brexit and everyone who put into motion that Referendum all walked away when it was said and done, it's a sham and sometimes the people are wrong.

I hope somehow Britain remains in the EU... However I'm realistic enough to know that what Parliament just did could be, potentially, maybe utterly catastrophic.
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With the level of incompetence, greed, narcissism and cognitive dissonance shown thruout this whole process (and across all aisles), it's highly likely that they'll all gridlock each other even further. To the point that they'll still be arguing 3 years from now, not having realized that they'd have by then done a heavy crash-out 3 years ago already.

Unless the people get to them first.

And hopefully hang the whole bloody disgusting lot.
 
Re: Brexit

Higgins86 said:
I don’t think that can be allowed to happen. It would be a disaster for Europe and us.
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I strongly suspect that, even where nobody wants it to happen, our current bunch of bungling nincompoops (ALL of them) will fumble matters straight into precisely that scenario.
 
Re: Brexit

Jack Hays said:
The March deadline is coming soon and there's no Parliamentary majority for any course of action. If nothing is done then hard Brexit is the default choice.
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EU has been preparing for it for months and continues the contingency planning.

Nobody in Brussels (or the Capitals) ever dared say it out loud but it's widely realized that the UK is run by bunch of lunatics.

Remain/Leave, Right/Left having absolutely nothing to do with that affliction.
 
Re: Brexit

Chagos said:
EU has been preparing for it for months and continues the contingency planning.

Nobody in Brussels (or the Capitals) ever dared say it out loud but it's widely realized that the UK is run by bunch of lunatics.

Remain/Leave, Right/Left having absolutely nothing to do with that affliction.
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This might be insane to say, but its times like these I wouldn't mind having someone like Blair back in the saddle.
 
Re: Brexit

Jetboogieman said:
This might be insane to say, but its times like these I wouldn't mind having someone like Blair back in the saddle.
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Yeah, but he wouldn't be available today if I'd had my way at the time.

Then and there we were as yet not running out of either street lamp posts or rope.

Nowadays I would be (or we all should be).:mrgreen:
 
Re: Brexit

Chagos said:
EU has been preparing for it for months and continues the contingency planning.

Nobody in Brussels (or the Capitals) ever dared say it out loud but it's widely realized that the UK is run by bunch of lunatics.

Remain/Leave, Right/Left having absolutely nothing to do with that affliction.
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There has been a notable lack of skillful UK political leadership going back at least as far as David Cameron's referendum promise. Theresa May is not up to the task, and Jeremy Corbyn is not an alternative for anyone who thinks about the matter for as much as thirty seconds.
The EU's eurocrats have not helped the situation, but that's another discussion.
 
Chagos said:
Yeah, saw that.

Interesting how a certified troglodyte can manage to live in cloud cuckoo land. What with there maybe being clouds occurring in caves now and then but no cuckoos.
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People seem to have forgotten the DUP is the late Rev. Ian Paisley's party. Their cloud cuckoo land is 1688.
 
Re: Brexit

Jack Hays said:
There has been a notable lack of skillful UK political leadership going back at least as far as David Cameron's referendum promise. Theresa May is not up to the task, and Jeremy Corbyn is not an alternative for anyone who thinks about the matter for as much as thirty seconds.
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....and it's not just those two, the sizeable list of incompetent and narcissistic idiots crossing all party lines.

What goes under in the general UK brouhaha of today is that none of this was ever primarily due to UK-EU relationships, it's firstly about power and greed of the whole British political class.

I should better say English political class.

All this trumpeting over the will of the people is a load of BS window dressing.
The EU's eurocrats have not helped the situation, but that's another discussion.
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Quite.
 
Sven Karma said:
People seem to have forgotten the DUP is the late Rev. Ian Paisley's party. Their cloud cuckoo land is 1688.
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I remember landing in Belfast once and somebody behind me mimicking the stewardess with "please fold up the table in front of you, put your backrest upright and turn you watches back 300 years".
 
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