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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
Peter King said:
ou do know that the UK farmers only produce 18% of the fruit needed to feed the British people? You do know that 45% of all veggies need to be imported and that 29% of the potatoes needed to feed the UK public have to be imported?
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Er, you obviously missed my point about UK farmers not being able to compete with produce coming in from the EU due to low labour rates in the EU, especially eastern Europe.

The UK gets food from all over the world, not just the EU.
 
Peter King said:
Only 4% of all EU imports come from the UK
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So what? The EU consists of 27 nations, some larger than the UK.

Many of the UK's exports are services from the finance and IT industries.

The UK is not big on industries requiring land and a lot of manual labour. It is a small country.

Get over your bitterness and move on.

You can't spend your life crying over Brexit.
 
Ginza said:
Er, no.

I may settle for a Jaguar, Tesla, Aston Martin and dozens of other quality cars from all over the world.

Your knowledge of vehicles appears to be severely limited.

Maybe you don't know that Honda actually offer longer warranties than Mercedes.
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Except they did not want a Jaguar, tesla, aston martin, they wanted a Volkswagen, a BMW, a Porsche, a Mercedes.

Also, there are way more US and German cars on British roads than British produced cars. I read an article that said roughly 1 in 5 cars in the UK are British cars.

Almost 88% of all new cars registered in the UK are IMPORTED cars.

And who gives a fudge for Honda offering longer warranties than a Mercedes. I can tell you who do not give a crap, people who want a Mercedes.
 
Peter King said:
Almost 88% of all new cars registered in the UK are IMPORTED cars.
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And why is that a problem?

The UK has a far lower unemployment rate than the EU.

Why would it want more industries that are labour intensive?

The UK has an unemployment rate of less than 5%.

The EU's unemployment rate is 65% higher.

Your "point" is irrelevant.
 
Ginza said:
Er, you obviously missed my point about UK farmers not being able to compete with produce coming in from the EU due to low labour rates in the EU, especially eastern Europe.

The UK gets food from all over the world, not just the EU.
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No, I did not miss a point. But without those cheap workers UK farmers cannot harvest their food. So you know what the British government is doing now? It is importing cheap labor (among others) from Russia 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

And UK farmers use the same cheap labor that Dutch farmers use, or French farmers, etc. etc. And even now the UK farmers are dependent on cheap labor from other countries outside of the EU.
 
Peter King said:
I can tell you who do not give a crap, people who want a Mercedes.
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I have a Mercedes, and I "give a crap".

Even Kia give a 7 year warranty.

A three year warranty on a car costing a lot of money is extremely poor.

My next car will be a Tesla.

Tesla, a company started by an English speaking South African, has a higher market value than Mercedes, BMW,Audi and VW combines.....as investors shun a German motor industry in decline.
 
Peter King said:
It is importing cheap labor (among others) from Russia
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I don't care where it comes from.

Russians are great people.

Don't you like them?

The difference now is that the UK is importing the Labour it needs and not just accepting hordes of immigrants from the EU that it doesn't need.

The new workers will not have the right to live in the UK forever. They come in on work visas.

Didn't you know this?
 
Ginza said:
Er, have you not heard that the EU caved in to UK demands for an open market between the two WITHOUT the "freedom of movement" clause that the UK did not want?

The EU market is still available to the UK, but it has been declining for many years now...well before Brexit.

Read up.
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There is no open market, the UK has to comply with the trade rules imposed by the EU on all UK products. Which means certifications to be allowed to import in the EU, customs procedures.
 
Peter King said:
There is no open market, the UK has to comply with the trade rules imposed by the EU on all UK products.
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Er, and the EU has to meet UK import requirements.....and don't forget that the EU exports far more to the UK than vice versa....so the EU was always going to be the loser if trade stopped.
 
Ginza said:
And why is that a problem?

The UK has a far lower unemployment rate than the EU.

Why would it want more industries that are labour intensive?

The UK has an unemployment rate of less than 5%.

The EU's unemployment rate is 65% higher.

Your "point" is irrelevant.
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What on earth has the unemployment figures have to do with car imports, that is the most irrelevant response to a post I have seen in a good while.
 
Peter King said:
What on earth has the unemployment figures have to do with car imports
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Er, has it ever occurred to you that you need lots of labour to make cars?

There is very little available labour in the UK...but far more unemployed people in the EU.

Where would you situate your car factory?

Where there is a lot of available labour or where there is little?

Use your head. I can't make it more simple for you to understand than that.
 
Ginza said:
I have a Mercedes, and I "give a crap".

Even Kia give a 7 year warranty.

A three year warranty on a car costing a lot of money is extremely poor.

My next car will be a Tesla.

Tesla, a company started by an English speaking South African, has a higher market value than Mercedes, BMW,Audi and VW combines.....as investors shun a German motor industry in decline.
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You do know that the German car manufacture industry alone has a higher value than ALL of the UK's manufacturing?

The UK manufacturing in 2019 was just shy of 400 billion, the German car industry alone produced products just shy of 500 billion.

And no, if you are a Mercedes driver you do not give a crap that a Kia has 7 years of warranty.

And great, the stock market has made Tesla the most valuable car company that has only ever produced one year in which they made a profit 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
Ginza said:
I don't care where it comes from.

Russians are great people.

Don't you like them?

The difference now is that the UK is importing the Labour it needs and not just accepting hordes of immigrants from the EU that it doesn't need.

The new workers will not have the right to live in the UK forever. They come in on work visas.

Didn't you know this?
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🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 You really have no logical point to make do you. First you whine about cheap EU labor and when it is imported from Russia you suddenly don't have a problem with that cheap labor 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

And no, I do not have a great liking for Russians.

And there were no hordes of immigrants from the EU. Also, people from the EU are less often unemployed that UK citizens, and if you want to prevent issues with immigrants, try and take a look at non-EU immigrants as they are much much more likely to be unemployed and a drain on UK finances than EU immigrants ever were.
 
Peter King said:
You do know that the German car manufacture industry alone has a higher value than ALL of the UK's manufacturing?
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Again, who cares?

Motor manufacturing is in decline in many developed nations.

Germany is behind the times.

In Australia, both Ford and General Motors (Holden) have closed down in recent years.

Our GDP per capita is more than 20% higher than Germany....and higher than Holland, France etc.

Singapore makes NO cars, produces almost NO food but has a higher GDP per capita than your country and Germany.

Why do you value motor manufacturing so highly?

You make no sense at all.

Why not read up on basic economics?
 
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Peter King said:
First you whine about cheap EU labor and when it is imported from Russia you suddenly don't have a problem with that cheap labor
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You really don't get it do you, even though I've tried to explain it in simple terms.

When part of the EU, the UK had hordes of people coming in from the EU that had a right to live in the UK forever....but whose skills it didn't need.

Now the UK imports only the kind of labour skills that it is short of. These people don't have the right to reside permanently in the UK.

Do you really not know what a visa is?

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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Ginza said:
Why the Xenophobia?
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Sure, except nothing what I wrote had anything to do with xenophobia, try and look it up in the dictionary and see if:

"I have no great liking for Russians"

shows any word that speaks of "fear or hatred of foreigners". You swung and you MISSED 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
Peter King said:
except nothing what I wrote had anything to do with xenophobia
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Er, you said :

"I do not have a great liking for Russians."

the definition of Xenephobia is :

"dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries."

If that's not prejudice, then what is?

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Ginza said:
You really don't get it do you, even though I've tried to explain it in simple terms.

When part of the EU, the UK had hordes of people coming in from the EU that had a right to live in the UK forever....but whose skills it didn't need.

Now the UK imports only the kind of labour skills that it is short of. These people don't have the right to reside permanently in the UK.

Do you really not know what a visa is?

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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You do know that the majority of foreigners in the UK is non-EU and that among them the unemployment is more than twice that of EU citizens? But no, why let facts matter.
 
Peter King said:
You do know that the majority of foreigners in the UK is non-EU and that among them the unemployment is more than twice that of EU citizens? But no, why let facts matter.
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You do know that EU citizens living in the UK HAD to have work to be able to stay, don't you?

I guess not.

That is why they would take low paid jobs, thus keeping wage rates down for those jobs and depriving local people from having those jobs.

Immigrants into the UK now have to pass a points system. Only those people whose skills are wanted in the UK are allowed.....thus UK is now only getting the skills it needs.

You really need to read up on Brexit instead of posting irrelevant nonsense and simply insulting the Tories etc.

Like some other Europeans here, you are completely ignorant of why Brexit happened. In your anger and bitterness, you insult the Tories.....but you don't understand that the vast majority of Tory MP's were for remaining in the EU. After the referendum the Tories were in a quandary because their leaders (Cameron then May) were remainers. Boris was only appointed leader because it was thought someone in favour of Brexit should see brexit through.

Brexit was brought about by that man you ridiculously call a fascist, Nigel Farage.....and supported by working class Brits who usually supported the Labour Party. The Tories were not in favour of Brexit but had to bring it about when the people voted for it.

Anyway, you need to stop festering over Brexit. It's happened.

Your EU is indeed weaker but life will go on there.

As I've said before here, the world need a strong EU.
 
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Ginza said:
Again, who cares?

Motor manufacturing is in decline in many developed nations.

Germany is behind the times.

In Australia, both Ford and General Motors (Holden) have closed down in recent years.

Our GDP per capita is more than 20% higher than Germany....and higher than Holland, France etc.

Singapore makes NO cars, produces almost NO food but has a higher GDP per capita than your country and Germany.

Why do you value motor manufacturing so highly?

You make no sense at all.

Why not read up on basic economics?
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You try and incorporating a whole new financially problematic country in your own country like Germany and then we will talk.

And you are barely higher than the Netherlands. And you seem to purposely forgot to mention that the UK is even further back than Germany, even though they did not have to merge with another country.

And I did not value motor manufacturing so highly, I was just stating that the German motoring industry alone is bigger than the entire British industry.
 
Peter King said:
Let us see, if they want to export to the EU (which the UK desperately wants) they have to comply with all the laws and rules the EU has on products sold in the EU and now the UK has ZERO say in these rules and regulations the UK has to comply with if they want to sell to the EU.

The same would go with travel, visitors, etc. etc. if the UK wants to make a deal with the EU in which they have free access to the EU. Then the UK will have to comply with EU rules, regulations and laws and again ZERO say in what these laws/rules/regulations will say.

So before the UK had to deal with the rules from the EU on some issues but had a large say in how these rules were made, now it still will have to comply with EU rules on anything related to UK exports to the EU and have NO say in how the rules are made.
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Regardless of the EU causing friction in trade with the U.K...the U.K. is growing at a faster rate than at any point since WWII. By next year we‘ll be surging through our pre-Covid levels of trade and production.
 
I was working on a site yesterday with two chaps, one from Romania the other from Moldova ...both loved this country and are raising their kids here as British citizens. And we all got on like a house on fire...I’ve even convinced them to eat crumpets lol....
 
Ginza said:
You do know that EU citizens living in the UK HAD to have work to be able to stay, don't you?

I guess not.

That is why they would take low paid jobs, thus keeping wage rates down for those jobs and depriving local people from having those jobs.

Immigrants into the UK now have to pass a points system. Only those people whose skills are wanted in the UK are allowed.....thus UK is now only getting the skills it needs.

You really need to read up on Brexit instead of posting irrelevant nonsense and simply insulting the Tories etc.

Like some other Europeans here, you are completely ignorant of why Brexit happened. In your anger and bitterness, you insult the Tories.....but you don't understand that the vast majority of Tory MP's were for remaining in the EU. After the referendum the Tories were in a quandary because their leaders (Cameron then May) were remainers. Boris was only appointed leader because it was thought someone in favour of Brexit should see brexit through.

Brexit was brought about by that man you ridiculously call a fascist, Nigel Farage.....and supported by working class Brits who usually supported the Labour Party. The Tories were not in favour of Brexit but had to bring it about when the people voted for it.

Anyway, you need to stop festering over Brexit. It's happened.

Your EU is indeed weaker but life will go on there.

As I've said before here, the world need a strong EU.
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Sure, you know more about Brexit even though you have been posting only (or almost only) the pro-Tory talking points of Brexit.

Ooh I know why the Brexit happened, ignorance, arrogance and hatred of foreigners. Because without the foreigners hating lot the Brexiteers would have never won. Add to that the huge amount of lies and the years of Farage and Boris Johnson telling lies about the EU, well you get the situation where by a few hundred thousands one way or the other way and it would not have been a Brexit.

And the lies did help, just alone the red bus with the NHS lie.

But they, the British and the Welsh chose this and dragged Northern Ireland and Scotland with them down a path they did not want.

And if the SNP gets it's wish Scotland will vote for independence.

I am not sure the EU got weaker, the EU decision process will now become easier and we will not have to pay rebates and subsidies to the UK.

But you are right, this process only knows losers in the short term.
 
Big Eye said:
I was working on a site yesterday with two chaps, one from Romania the other from Moldova ...both loved this country and are raising their kids here as British citizens. And we all got on like a house on fire...I’ve even convinced them to eat crumpets lol....
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which is logical, both their countries are not that nice when it comes to chances for their children. It is not me who claims the immigrants were a negative thing.
 
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