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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
Peter King said:
the EU is Norway's biggest trading partner, nearly 60% that Norway exports goes to the EU, and last time I checked nearly 60% is a bit more than 18%
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The EU consists of 27 nations. Each nation imports and exports separately with the UK.....but none trade as much with Norway as the UK does.

It's really disingenuous to imply that this is not true.
 
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Peter King said:
if the UK wants to make a deal with the EU in which they have free access to the EU. Then the UK will have to comply with EU rules, regulations and laws
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Er, just as people from the EU will have to comply with UK rules, regulations and laws.

But don't forget that one of the main reasons that the UK left the EU was because of "freedom of movement"...not vice-versa.
 
Peter King said:
Let us see, if they want to export to the EU (which the UK desperately wants)
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Of course the UK wants to export to the UK, so does the EU want to export to the UK......especially the German motor industry :

"More German cars are exported to the UK than any other country – about one in seven cars made in Germany are sold in Britain."

www.express.co.uk

Brexit deal: German car industry breathes sigh of relief

BREXIT trade talks have ended with a deal between the UK and the EU, meaning the German car industry will be breathing a sigh of relief.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk

Most of the products that the UK imports from the EU can be easily replaced by UK suppliers or suppliers from other nations.
 
Ginza said:
Er, you appear to have forgotten that the UK is no longer a member of the EU. The French now have no legal right to fish in British waters.



i smell the usual anti-British crap that is ALWAYS a feature of your posts.
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And you forget that the UK signed an agreement with the EU that gave the French the right to fish in British waters.
 
PeteEU said:
And you forget that the UK signed an agreement with the EU that gave the French the right to fish in British waters.
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And you forget that this agreement was subject to conditions.

"the Jersey government said French fishing boats would be required to obtain a licence to fish in the island’s waters under the terms of the UK’s post-Brexit trade deal with the EU which came into force last week."

Evening Standard

The French fishermen have failed to comply with the agreement.
 
Ginza said:
Of course the UK wants to export to the UK, so does the EU want to export to the UK......especially the German motor industry :

"More German cars are exported to the UK than any other country – about one in seven cars made in Germany are sold in Britain."

www.express.co.uk

Brexit deal: German car industry breathes sigh of relief

BREXIT trade talks have ended with a deal between the UK and the EU, meaning the German car industry will be breathing a sigh of relief.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk

Most of the products that the UK imports from the EU can be easily replaced by UK suppliers or suppliers from other nations.
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Sorry, but that is the ultimate of delusion to think that most of the EU products the UK imports could be easily replaced by UK suppliers or suppliers from other nations. Because if that were the fact the UK would have done this years ago. 🤣 🤣 🤣

The German cars will be replaced Swedish, sorry also EU, Renault no also EU, etc. etc. etc. And you will not be able to import food from UK suppliers if they do not grow that food, fact is the UK is forced to buy EU products as the only main supplier is across vast oceans.
 
Ginza said:
Er, just as people from the EU will have to comply with UK rules, regulations and laws.

But don't forget that one of the main reasons that the UK left the EU was because of "freedom of movement"...not vice-versa.
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Sorry, but the UK lost freedom of movement to the biggest trade market and vacation destination, not the other way around.

But unlike the UK, we can easily buy our products from other partners as we are a market of close to 500 million.
 
Ginza said:
The EU consists of 27 nations. Each nation imports and exports separately with the UK.....but none trade as much with Norway as the UK does.

It's really disingenuous to imply that this is not true.
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Except the rules of the EU are valid for all countries, and all the customs rules are valid for all countries of the EU.
 
Ginza said:
And you forget that this agreement was subject to conditions.

"the Jersey government said French fishing boats would be required to obtain a licence to fish in the island’s waters under the terms of the UK’s post-Brexit trade deal with the EU which came into force last week."

Evening Standard

The French fishermen have failed to comply with the agreement.
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Conditions set down in the treaty... the British government unilaterally added NEW conditions which is a breach of the treaty.
 
PeteEU said:
And you forget that the UK signed an agreement with the EU that gave the French the right to fish in British waters.
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The current dispute rests on differing interpretations of one part of the trade and cooperation agreement (TCA), the trade deal that now governs economic relations between the UK and the EU. While Jersey is not part of the UK and was never within the EU, the TCA replaced the Bay of Granville agreement, which used to govern fishing rights in Jersey’s waters.

www.theguardian.com

The Jersey fishing standoff shows Brexit has only just begun | Marley Morris

Britain will need to find a way to cooperate with its closest neighbours without resorting to gunboat diplomacy, says Marley Morris of the Institute for Public Policy Research
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
PeteEU said:
Conditions set down in the treaty... the British government unilaterally added NEW conditions which is a breach of the treaty.
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Lol! Will you never stop blaming the British for everything?

You really need to have that chip on your shoulder attended to.

Even the anti-Tory and extreme left wing Guardian has reported that a number of French vessels have not complied with the agreement.

"Within the Brexit trade and cooperation agreement struck last Christmas Eve there is a new EU-UK fisheries agreement that offers French fishers the continuation of the status quo in a zone between six and 12 miles from the UK’s shores up to 2026, if they can prove that they had previously been operating in those waters."

"there are 17 larger boats that have been unable to provide the evidence required"

These are British waters and access has been allowed by the British as a Goodwill gesture.

Unfortunately, I doubt this Goodwill will continue if the French continue to take advantage of it.
 
Peter King said:
Except the rules of the EU are valid for all countries, and all the customs rules are valid for all countries of the EU.
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Completely irrelevant.

The EU is not a nation but merely an agreement between 27 nations.
 
Peter King said:
Sorry, but the UK lost freedom of movement to the biggest trade market and vacation destination, not the other way around.
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Er, don't be sorry.

The majority in the UK didn't want freedom of movement and the resultant excessive immigration into the UK of unskilled workers from Eastern Europe....that is the main reason Brexit took place.

Are you seriously suggesting that you didn't know that?

Britain now completely controls who lives and works in their nation. EU nations don't have this measure of control. Having to cope with the millions of illegal immigrants into Europe is now solely their problem.

I have entered the EU many times on my Australian passport, without any problems. Do you really feel that not having "freedom of movement" is a problem?

If you do, you're really one deluded dude.
 
Peter King said:
Sorry, but that is the ultimate of delusion to think that most of the EU products the UK imports could be easily replaced by UK suppliers or suppliers from other nations. Because if that were the fact the UK would have done this years ago.
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What a silly conclusion.

UK manufacturers can quite easily replace most of the products that were imported from the EU. The main import is motor vehicles, which can quite easily be sourced from either the UK or Asia. Foodstuffs, especially farm produce, have been "dumped" in the UK for years at prices which UK farmers could not match. UK farmers would have relished the opportunity to produce these products...an opportunity which has been denied them by the trade deal with the EU.

The devastation to the German motor industry that losing sales of 800 000 vehicles a year to an already failing German motor industry would have caused, is the main reason the EU caved into the UK's demand for a free trade agreement.

I personally would prefer to have had a no deal Brexit which would have protected the UK farmers from farm produce grown/farmed in states in the EU where labour rates are extremely low and UK farmers can't compete with.
 
Peter King said:
But unlike the UK, we can easily buy our products from other partners as we are a market of close to 500 million.
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As could the UK.

But the German car industry was trembling at the thought of losing sales of 800 000 vehicles per year. Its car industry was already in decline.

"The car industry is in apparent decline in Germany."

www.dw.com

Could 400,000 German car industry jobs go? – DW – 07/09/2020

The car industry is in apparent decline in Germany. Some estimates predict that half its 800,000 jobs will be gone by 2030. The industry disagrees with that estimate, but the road ahead looks bumpy.
www.dw.com www.dw.com
 
Ginza said:
Completely irrelevant.

The EU is not a nation but merely an agreement between 27 nations.
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It is a union and has rules that apply to all 27 members.
 
Ginza said:
Er, don't be sorry.

The majority in the UK didn't want freedom of movement and the resultant excessive immigration into the UK of unskilled workers from Eastern Europe....that is the main reason Brexit took place.

Are you seriously suggesting that you didn't know that?

Britain now completely controls who lives and works in their nation. EU nations don't have this measure of control. Having to cope with the millions of illegal immigrants into Europe is now solely their problem.

I have entered the EU many times on my Australian passport, without any problems. Do you really feel that not having "freedom of movement" is a problem?

If you do, you're really one deluded dude.
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The majority? You mean the small percentage who voted in the Brexit vote? Sure, they were wildly properly informed by the lying bunch of Boris the EU hater Johnson and tin pot fascist Nigel Farage 🤣 🤣

And the reason they did not want cheap labor from Eastern Europe is because the Tory party is a bunch of idiots. Just wait until the economy starts running again and they need workers to pick the fruit and work in the fields, let us see how many workers the farmers can find under the British unemployed 🤣🤣 They will be on their hands and knees begging for exemptions to the rule.

Great, Britain has the control. Hope they are happy with it as it will cost them a good chunk of their economy and businesses.

Great, you came here on an Australian passport, big deal. And your claim is? As and Australian you need your passport to get into any country. But you cannot start living here, working here full time and settling down here. And until know the British had that freedom and they could do it without a passport or asking for permission to work/live/settle down.

And the Europeans who went to the UK almost all went there to work and add to the UK economy.

And deluded 🤣🤣 Yup, all the English/British who fell for Boris and Nigel's lies are totally deluded
 
Ginza said:
So what?

Do you really believe that makes the EU a trading nation?

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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You mean one Union with trade rules and regulations that are valid for all member states, Yup. As anyone with a bit of objectivity would realize. Does that mean countries do not compete for trade in the EU, sure, but that does not change the fact that we have pan-European rules about a lot of trade issues and one common border.
 
Peter King said:
they were wildly properly informed by the lying bunch of Boris the EU hater Johnson and tin pot fascist Nigel Farage
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Wow! You're starting to sound more than a little unhinged now.

Why are you so bitter?

Is it because the UK is now the only country in Europe that has full control of its own borders?

Perhaps you are jealous that the EU has an unemployment rate a massive 65% higher than the UK?

Is it because the EU caved in to the UK demands for a no tariff agreement with the UK?

Why all the bitterness and insults?

There must be a reason for your unhappiness.
 
Peter King said:
that does not change the fact that we have pan-European rules about a lot of trade issues and one common border.
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I feel your pain.

Thankfully, the UK has control of its own border.

Good luck with all those immigrants from eastern Europe. You are welcome to them.

But many in the EU are not :

 
Ginza said:
What a silly conclusion.

UK manufacturers can quite easily replace most of the products that were imported from the EU. The main import is motor vehicles, which can quite easily be sourced from either the UK or Asia. Foodstuffs, especially farm produce, have been "dumped" in the UK for years at prices which UK farmers could not match. UK farmers would have relished the opportunity to produce these products...an opportunity which has been denied them by the trade deal with the EU.

The devastation to the German motor industry that losing sales of 800 000 vehicles a year to an already failing German motor industry would have caused, is the main reason the EU caved into the UK's demand for a free trade agreement.

I personally would prefer to have had a no deal Brexit which would have protected the UK farmers from farm produce grown/farmed in states in the EU where labour rates are extremely low and UK farmers can't compete with.
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Sure, you had your heart set on a Mercedes but you will settle for a Honda 🤣 🤣

You wanted a BMW but you will settle for a Mazda 🤣🤣

The only silly conclusion is that the UK can go it without the EU market.

And UK farmers🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You do know that the UK farmers only produce 18% of the fruit needed to feed the British people? You do know that 45% of all veggies need to be imported and that 29% of the potatoes needed to feed the UK public have to be imported?

With a hard brexit there would have been a 22% or so tariff on all food from the EU, making it very expensive for Brits to have fruit, much more expensive to get veggies and also potatoes would get a lot more expensive. Good thinking, talk about delusions.
 
Peter King said:
Sure, you had your heart set on a Mercedes but you will settle for a Honda
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Er, no.

I may settle for a Jaguar, Tesla, Aston Martin and dozens of other quality cars from all over the world.

Your knowledge of vehicles appears to be severely limited.

Maybe you don't know that Honda actually offer longer warranties than Mercedes.
 
Peter King said:
The only silly conclusion is that the UK can go it without the EU market.
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Er, have you not heard that the EU caved in to UK demands for an open market between the two WITHOUT the "freedom of movement" clause that the UK did not want?

The EU market is still available to the UK, but it has been declining for many years now...well before Brexit.

Read up.
 
Ginza said:
As could the UK.

But the German car industry was trembling at the thought of losing sales of 800 000 vehicles per year. Its car industry was already in decline.

"The car industry is in apparent decline in Germany."

www.dw.com

Could 400,000 German car industry jobs go? – DW – 07/09/2020

The car industry is in apparent decline in Germany. Some estimates predict that half its 800,000 jobs will be gone by 2030. The industry disagrees with that estimate, but the road ahead looks bumpy.
www.dw.com www.dw.com
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Right, just like the British trying to export anything to the EU. And no, the UK cannot do it without the EU as it is their biggest market for both importing and exporting.

Half of all imports that the UK does comes from the EU (52%) and 43% of all it imports comes from the EU.

Only 4% of all EU imports come from the UK, so tell me honestly, who will have a bigger problem finding alternative sources for their imports? The EU which has 4% of goods to source from other countries or the UK which needs to find new sources for 52% of it's imports?
 
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