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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?


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Again WTF are you babbling on about, not triggering at this time? The UK voted out, the government is invoking the will of the people, and all sides want this **** done now. We'll end up with what we deserve. Whatever that ends up looking like.

Thank you, Captain.

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Theresa May thinks she can block our quest for independence ... their is a simple way round it for us Remember this quote from Margret Thatcher in the 1980s so we will play Westminster at their own game we have 56 SNP MPs at Westminster
well the strategy should be all 56 SNP MPs resign from Westminster causing 56 by elections fought on the grounds of a simple SNP majority = Independence

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I think May is acting rather sensibly for not getting distracted with a question that was asked, only a few years ago. Opinion polls are definitely not showing massive support for another re-run. Get Brexit done, see how Scotland feels a few years after that, then maybe consider another revisit. Rabid nationalism is en vogue at this time.
 
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Time will tell whether this will be recorded as the beginning of serious self inflicted economic troubles ahead or a new positive status for the UK.

There's been a whole lot of fluff and nonsense by both sides in the official debates but from now on, the only people we can blame or give credit to are ourselves.
Part of me remembers the days when I didn't like decisions my commanders or supervisors made but we got on with it and tried to make it work. That is the only way to make something positive from this - roll our sleeves up and make Brexit work.
 
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I think May is acting rather sensibly for not getting distracted with a question that was asked, only a few years ago. Opinion polls are definitely not showing massive support for another re-run. Get Brexit done, see how Scotland feels a few years after that, then maybe consider another revisit. Rabid nationalism is en vogue at this time.

she has a another problem she can not negotiate with our resources in Brexit the vote in Holyrood put paid to that ... she will have a even bigger problem facing 56 By Elections in Scotland with SNP polling at 54% all we need to do is win 30 of our current 56 seats and it's goodbye UK
 
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Time will tell whether this will be recorded as the beginning of serious self inflicted economic troubles ahead or a new positive status for the UK.

There's been a whole lot of fluff and nonsense by both sides in the official debates but from now on, the only people we can blame or give credit to are ourselves.
Part of me remembers the days when I didn't like decisions my commanders or supervisors made but we got on with it and tried to make it work. That is the only way to make something positive from this - roll our sleeves up and make Brexit work.

Got to love Sky News... already running a counter... 730 days 11 hours 54 minutes 50 seconds till Brexit deadline ... haha.
 
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Time will tell whether this will be recorded as the beginning of serious self inflicted economic troubles ahead or a new positive status for the UK.

There's been a whole lot of fluff and nonsense by both sides in the official debates but from now on, the only people we can blame or give credit to are ourselves.
Part of me remembers the days when I didn't like decisions my commanders or supervisors made but we got on with it and tried to make it work. That is the only way to make something positive from this - roll our sleeves up and make Brexit work.


Hate the narrative of roll our sleeves up, last decade our economy has been stagnant so let's s not pretend we're leaving some sort of paradise
 
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she has a another problem she can not negotiate with our resources in Brexit the vote in Holyrood put paid to that ... she will have a even bigger problem facing 56 By Elections in Scotland with SNP polling at 54% all we need to do is win 30 of our current 56 seats and it's goodbye UK

The SNP can vote, posture and shout all they like; now is not the time and the British PM will let you know when is:lol:
 
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She's actually gone and done it! What a waste of space. Irony of the day is the letter to the EU went there by Eurostar train.
 
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Hate the narrative of roll our sleeves up, last decade our economy has been stagnant so let's s not pretend we're leaving some sort of paradise

We certainly weren't a paradise before the single market. Thatcher is credited by many for creating the single market and since her period in power the UK has gone from the sick man of Europe to 5th largest economy in the world. Most of the Brexit position has also been that we are doing well and will stand on our own feet - so which do you believer?.

I believe our budget deficit and recovery from the 2008 credit crunch are not faults of the EU but we have flourished from our membership.
 
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We certainly weren't a paradise before the single market. Thatcher is credited by many for creating the single market and since her period in power the UK has gone from the sick man of Europe to 5th largest economy in the world. Most of the Brexit position has also been that we are doing well and will stand on our own feet - so which do you believer?.

I believe our budget deficit and recovery from the 2008 credit crunch are not faults of the EU but we have flourished from our membership.


Based on what? What aspect of our EU membership has helped us flourish?
 
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We certainly weren't a paradise before the single market. Thatcher is credited by many for creating the single market and since her period in power the UK has gone from the sick man of Europe to 5th largest economy in the world. Most of the Brexit position has also been that we are doing well and will stand on our own feet - so which do you believer?.

I believe our budget deficit and recovery from the 2008 credit crunch are not faults of the EU but we have flourished from our membership.

While agreeing that Brexit was a suboptimal strategy and triggering it was pure preacox, i think you would find that the U.K. was highly negatively impacted by the pent up imbalances in a structurally incompetent currency union. But not being in the Euro allowed the country to recover much more quickly than it otherwise could have. The only members to fare similarly well were the ones whose prices for non tradables and following from them competitive positions were overly subsidized by monetary and unorthodox measures by the EZB that were too restrictive for the rest of the area's members.
 
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Based on what? What aspect of our EU membership has helped us flourish?

Refraining from joining the Euro.
 
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Based on what? What aspect of our EU membership has helped us flourish?

The worst effects of globalism were avoided during Osborne's calamitous chancellorship. wWorkers were protected. May and bunch are about selling is to the highest bidder.

While we stagnated, where was the flourishing happening?
 
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The worst effects of globalism were avoided during Osborne's calamitous chancellorship. wWorkers were protected. May and bunch are about selling is to the highest bidder.

While we stagnated, where was the flourishing happening?

You think the Eurozone has been flourishing?
 
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The SNP can vote, posture and shout all they like; now is not the time and the British PM will let you know when is:lol:

i think you are way wrong .. we will leave the UK via Referendum on our choice and time frame Nicola Sturgeon has a mandate unlike Theresa May ... but i prefer the 56 MPs resigning forcing 56 by elections and wining 30 seats will mean we are leaving the UK ... May cannot block it
 
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i think you are way wrong .. we will leave the UK via Referendum on our choice and time frame Nicola Sturgeon has a mandate unlike Theresa May ... but i prefer the 56 MPs resigning forcing 56 by elections and wining 30 seats will mean we are leaving the UK ... May cannot block it

lol you want to bet? Remind me what currency you want to use again?
 
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Did anyone listen to Jeremy Vine at 12? Link to iPlayer here.

I was gobsmacked at NIgel Farage's letter to the EU (Farage and Clegg were invited by Jeremy Vine to write their own Article 50 letters to the EU)

Apart from the bit where he claimed we are the EU's biggest market, I was really impressed.

Based on what? What aspect of our EU membership has helped us flourish?

Access to the same internal market without trade barriers Maggie Thatcher helped create. That was easy.
 
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Did anyone listen to Jeremy Vine at 12? Link to iPlayer here.

I was gobsmacked at NIgel Farage's letter to the EU (Farage and Clegg were invited by Jeremy Vine to write their own Article 50 letters to the EU)

Apart from the bit where he claimed we are the EU's biggest market, I was really impressed.



Access to the same internal market without trade barriers Maggie Thatcher helped create. That was easy.

We are going to still have access with little to no barriers. The EU needs our consumer buying power.
 
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We are going to still have access with little to no barriers. The EU needs our consumer buying power.

And the UK needs the EU....almost 50% of all exports. However because the UK is so nationalistic and isolationist now days, then chances are there will be barriers because the UK will refuse to have freedom of movement of EU citizens which is a pre-condition of any trade deal with the EU. Now of course those exports could collapse fast.. car production moving to the continent would take a big chunk of that export number, and add the banks leaving.. well. And the pipe dream that the UK can some how compensate with new trade deals outside the EU.. is just that, a pipe dream not based on reality. Nothing has prevented the UK in having trade with India.. other than India hates the UK. Australia and Canada both have stated that any deal would require freedom of movement of people, which is a big no no for the UK. Of course May can always latch on to Trump and bend over and take it in the arse... no way Trump will allow any trade deal without it being massively beneficial to the US and a problem for the UK.

I think that we shall see over the next 6 months how the negotiating will go. It has started badly for the UK, but that can change fast with external aspects influencing what May and her government does.
 
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Well, this is the week it all starts for real. Things are likely to start slowly but will heat up pretty quickly - probably not before (as stated on Breakfast TV this morning) the German elections.

I'll post and add to this thread (hopefully there'll be lots of relevant contributions over time) as we progress. How will "Brexit" go - I suppose that depends on whether you voted Remain or Leave.

What are your hopes for the process and outcome? (The basic outcome is "we're out" but will it be a disaster or will we be able to make it a success?

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A negotiation against 27 other countries, some of whom want to make the UK pay. A deal of mind-bending complexity beckons. A wafer thin majority in Parliament. The Scottish government intent on pushing for a vote to break up the other union.
All this, knowing that one false move could wreak havoc on the economy or unleash demons inside her own party.

UK Bargaining chips revealed

Reading between the lines - BBC News

her choice to emphasise the security risks of no deal displays that she will not just play nice. To put security on the table as part of any negotiation is a controversial choice.

I wonder if her refusal to guarantee the status of EU citizens here is part of this bargaining position too. Problem is, we don't cooperate with France, they may just allow Calais to empty out onto ferries here or EU security agencies stop tracing returning jihadis. On the citizens front - they could just send our citizens back - even though many are spending good money in Spain and France and helping the local economy.

I think our position may be based on a house of cards at present... :(
 
UK Bargaining chips revealed

Reading between the lines - BBC News

I wonder if her refusal to guarantee the status of EU citizens here is part of this bargaining position too.

It is, and it is stupid since it has been clear for months, that the EU will offer EU citizenship access to any Brit that wants. She is basically using EU citizens as hostages which is idiotic.

Problem is, we don't cooperate with France, they may just allow Calais to empty out onto ferries here or EU security agencies stop tracing returning jihadis.

This is an individual country issue, not per say an EU issue. However she has threatened to pull out of the security cooperation in her letter to the EU triggering article 50.. another idiotic move and that has nothing to do with EU membership. She is threatening the security of the UK and Europe to get a better trade deal.. pathetic and childish.

On the citizens front - they could just send our citizens back - even though many are spending good money in Spain and France and helping the local economy.

Yes, however... 1/3 or more of those citizens are pensioners. Pensioners need healthcare.. and lots of it. In Spain they get great and cheap healthcare compared to the UK. Now if Brexit suddenly means they have to leave because the cost of private insurance is too high, then the already over burden NHS will be flooded with 1 million or so sick old people. And no, EU migrants leaving wont compensate for that, since they are young healthy that relatively dont need much healthcare.

So you are in an odd situation. You force out the EU workers who contribute considerably more to the economy in taxes than the average Brit, and you bring back 1 million money draining pensioners...

I think our position may be based on a house of cards at present... :(

That might be too optimistic.
 
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There will not be a particularly 'hard' Brexit because the EU - read Germany - needs continued low or zero tariffs more than does the UK. Even if trade were to be conducted on WTO terms that would be no disaster. Most of world trade is done under WTO rules, very successfully.

When, eventually, there is another 'independence' referendum in Scotland the Jocks will vote to stay in the UK by an even bigger majority than last time. Partly so that thy can continue to blame öthe results of their own failings on the wicked English. And partly because they know on which side their bread is buttered.

The real issue is how hard the EU wants to make it. Nothing else. The treaty could be done in a very short period and not change any economically decisive terms of trade. If the negotiators wanted, the economic effects could actually be win/win. It is clear, however, that the EU cannot do that. Any number of EU dignitaries have said as much. The UK must not be as well or better off after its exit. That would destabilize the EU and risk its very existence.
 
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