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Police officer stabbed at UK Parliament

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gunner said:
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London attack: Seven held after Westminster attack - London attack: Seven held after Westminster attack - BBC News
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Keith Palmer R.I.P. ex Royal Artillery. James Cleverly M.P. spoke well of his old friend of 25 years. Scroll down to video.

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Some of our MPs have done us proud: Mary Creagh who walked into the nearby Tube to ask staff to close the station, Tobias Ellwood who tried to save P.C. Palmer's life and James Cleverly in recognising the sacrifice of his friend.
 
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Death toll has risen to five with another victim succumbing to injuries in hospital.

Well, four, leaving out the murdering scumbag that the police shot.
 
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Chagos said:
Frequency seems to be picking up. Orly, Westminster, Antwerp.

Are they all inspiring each other ?
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Sadly. I feel fairly sure this will be a common theme around Europe, for sometime to come. The burning question, what can we do?
 
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gunner said:
Sadly. I feel fairly sure this will be a common theme around Europe, for sometime to come. The burning question, what can we do?
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Nothing much else than what we're doing, at the same time hoping that the level of primitiveness (of attack) stays.

Not to be cynical, 4 dead are 4 too many (or 12 in Berlin, not to mention 86 in Nice) but it looks as though co-ordinated attacks as well planned (and somewhat IS steered) as the last ones in Paris and Bruxelles have become far more difficult for "the caliphate".

Individual home grown nuts suddenly hearing the call are really something that can't be prevented, let alone be revealed in time.

Going after the hate preachers and monitoring the mosques is all very well (and should have been done much earlier) but doesn't lead away from the fact that we long since have cyber-radicalisation that can hardly be monitored at all.

What bugs me is the hypocrisy in which commercial interests have for decades prevented going after the real source of this stone age version of Islam that fuels the whole sick ideology.

Saudi and the adjoining Emirates. The biggest exporters of radical Islam of the lot.
 
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gunner said:
Sadly. I feel fairly sure this will be a common theme around Europe, for sometime to come. The burning question, what can we do?
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Need to start protecting the pavements and open public areas. Barriers etc
 
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Chagos said:
Frequency seems to be picking up. Orly, Westminster, Antwerp.

Are they all inspiring each other ?
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Likely enjoying the attention.

Terrorists need extended media coverage to spread their message, create fear and recruit followers. The more attention they are getting, the happier they are.
 
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gunner said:
Sadly. I feel fairly sure this will be a common theme around Europe, for sometime to come. The burning question, what can we do?
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Call me sanguine, but I think it might be the fact ISIS has had setbacks lately causing this. If ISIS is finished off, perhaps it will lead to a dropping off in attacks (I also don't think we should overinflate the frequency of the attacks).
 
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Higgins86 said:
Need to start protecting the pavements and open public areas. Barriers etc
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Within reason, sure. (High traffic areas for concerts, parades, sporting events etc.)

Went to a cricket game not long after the Bourke Street mall incident in January. They had put temp concrete bollards protecting the entrances to the complex (where tens of thousands could be at any one time) and apparently will be spending millions to install permanent enhanced safety measures there.
 
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His real name is Adrian Elms and may have been a convert.
 
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Aristaeus said:
His real name is Adrian Elms and may have been a convert.
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At his criminal conviction, in 2003, Masood was still using the name Elms so he is indeed a convert and a comparatively recent one.
 
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Kent-born British guy, Adrian Russell-Ajao. Career criminal, probably converted to Jihadism in prison. Talk about assimilation and integration not really relevant. Alienation and anomie probably more germane topics.
 
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Higgins86 said:
Need to start protecting the pavements and open public areas. Barriers etc
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If we don’t do that in response to the daily traffic accidents, why would we do it for the rare terrorist attack?
 
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gunner said:
Sadly. I feel fairly sure this will be a common theme around Europe, for sometime to come. The burning question, what can we do?
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I think the West needs to stop their interventions in the Middle East, its just making things worse and provides fuel to recruitment for extremists.
 
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HonestJoe said:
If we don’t do that in response to the daily traffic accidents, why would we do it for the rare terrorist attack?
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We already protect government buildings, embassies, landmarks etc with barriers so why shouldn't we extend this to the public especially in areas with high foot traffic and tourists?
 
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Serenity said:
Likely enjoying the attention.

Terrorists need extended media coverage to spread their message, create fear and recruit followers. The more attention they are getting, the happier they are.
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which is why I find it appalling that media outlets like the BBC show camera footage of people running away, bodies on the ground etc and put it on a 24 spin cycle.
 
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PoS said:
I think the West needs to stop their interventions in the Middle East, its just making things worse and provides fuel to recruitment for extremists.
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Gone too far for that now.
 
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Higgins86 said:
We already protect government buildings, embassies, landmarks etc with barriers so why shouldn't we extend this to the public especially in areas with high foot traffic and tourists?
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As I said, for exactly the same reasons we don’t in response to all the accidents which lead to cars on footpaths.

There are already various barriers and other systems in different places – barriers around junctions, pedestrian crossings and along high-speed roads plus things like speed humps, pedestrianised areas, footbridges and the like – but there are practical limits of what can be done and a general balance of cost (financial and practical) verses benefits. In this context, the significance of this kind of rare terrorist attack to that balance is minimal compared to the significance of all of the other road accidents and incidents.

There’s also the argument against “letting the terrorist win” by over-reacting with (more) restrictive measures and policies.
 
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gunner said:
Sadly. I feel fairly sure this will be a common theme around Europe, for sometime to come. The burning question, what can we do?
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Make damn sure they can't come back. Those here who wanted to go should be encouraged to go, hand passports over and then we make damned sure they can't come back. (alive)

Don't care how unpopular that is, we made a huge mistake blocking the escape paths for these people. All we did was make sure they stay here, angry and prepared to take cowardly actions against innocents.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Make damn sure they can't come back. Those here who wanted to go should be encouraged to go, hand passports over and then we make damned sure they can't come back. (alive)

Don't care how unpopular that is, we made a huge mistake blocking the escape paths for these people. All we did was make sure they stay here, angry and prepared to take cowardly actions against innocents.
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Where I fully share into the anger, how could any of this have been applied to Elms/Jao/Masood?

How to the London tube (and bus) bombers?
 
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Chagos said:
Where I fully share into the anger, how could any of this have been applied to Elms/Jao/Masood?
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Didn't he try to go to Syria? Besides, the main points about returning jihadis - we shouldn't let them return.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Didn't he try to go to Syria?
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Not that I know of (can't find anything to that effect).

Saudi, yes.
Besides, the main points about returning jihadis - we shouldn't let them return.
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What if a Brit passport is the only one they hold?
 
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