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The Netherlands General Election March 15 2017 [W:99, 131]

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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...slumps-in-shock-dutch-poll-on-eve-of-election

The prospect of Geert Wilders emerging as the winner of Wednesday’s Dutch election was thrown into doubt by two polls on the eve of voting that showed his anti-Islam, anti-European Union Freedom Party slumping to fifth place in one survey and third in another.

When Wilders and Rutte faced off on national television Monday evening, the Freedom Party leader told the prime minister that “we must directly expel the Turkish ambassador and the rest of his staff from the country, otherwise we accept that we are being insulted.”

Rutte’s response was to tell Wilders: “That’s the difference between tweeting from your couch and governing the country. If you govern the country, you have to take sensible decisions, and that isn’t sensible.”


Should be interesting to see the outcome tomorrow. I hope the Netherlands chooses wisely. They consistently rank high in socio-economic categories and I'd hate to see nationalism and bigotry usurp their successes.
 
Wilders will never be Prime Minister or his party govern the Netherlands. Every other party/politician will align themselves against him and do any number of deals to prevent it.
 
Wilders will never be Prime Minister or his party govern the Netherlands. Every other party/politician will align themselves against him and do any number of deals to prevent it.

perhaps. people also said Trump would never happen. I don't follow Netherlands politics that closely. What has Wilders campaigned on? Fearmongering Turkish minorities?
 
Wilders will never be Prime Minister or his party govern the Netherlands. Every other party/politician will align themselves against him and do any number of deals to prevent it.

Wilders is a cancer, worse than Trump.
 
Wilders is a cancer, worse than Trump.

The comments against Wilders here sound very much like those against Trump earlier, so I am betting on Wilders to win. If liberals hate him, he can't be all bad.
 
~ so I am betting on Wilders to win ~

I'd love to hear you put real money down. It's already been explained to you why he can't win and become leader.
 
I'd love to hear you put real money down. It's already been explained to you why he can't win and become leader.

It was "explained" to me why Trump couldn't win too, but I won that bet with my sister-in-law. I am giving her a chance to win it back now. But I do have hope that Wilders and others like him can save Europe.
 
It was "explained" to me why Trump couldn't win too, but I won that bet with my sister-in-law. I am giving her a chance to win it back now. But I do have hope that Wilders and others like him can save Europe.
You appear pretty much ignorant of the Dutch political landscape and election system and if you can't or won't follow the explanations offered here, you'll just have to continue in that ignorance.
 
You appear pretty much ignorant of the Dutch political landscape and election system and if you can't or won't follow the explanations offered here, you'll just have to continue in that ignorance.
You are always so bright, cheerful and helpful.

Go ahead, regale us the framework, the broad outline scaffolding at least. After mentioning ignorance so much, we are interested in you proving to us your non-ignorance.
 
You are always so bright, cheerful and helpful.

Go ahead, regale us the framework, the broad outline scaffolding at least. After mentioning ignorance so much, we are interested in you proving to us your non-ignorance.

Who can vote and for whom? How the Dutch electoral system works - DutchNews.nl

[FONT=&quot]How does voting work? Voting in the Netherlands is based on proportional representation according to an approved party list of candidates.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Read more at DutchNews.nl: Who can vote and for whom? How the Dutch electoral system works [/FONT]Who can vote and for whom? How the Dutch electoral system works - DutchNews.nl

Or, you could have just read post 2....
 
perhaps. people also said Trump would never happen. I don't follow Netherlands politics that closely. What has Wilders campaigned on? Fearmongering Turkish minorities?

Yes, but we do not have a political system like in the US, our governments have to be a coalition government and Wilders has made himself impossible among most political parties (first for his reprehensible ideology and two for his duplicitous nature and the fact that he is a unreliable coalition partner).
 
A Dutch newspaper today wrote that in the European parliament, Wilders is extraordinarily nice to Russia.

Surprisingly this story came for the most PVV friendly newspaper in the Netherlands, "de Telegraaf".

Brussel - the PVV has sailed a remarkably pro-Russian course while voting in the European parliament. This we can conclude from a look at he votes in that parliament, conducted by this newspaper.

On the 17th of July 2014 there is a first vote over the Ukraine by the newly installed European Parliament. In the resolution, the Russian occupation of the Crimea (illegal according to international law) is denounced. Wilders PVV party does not support that resolution.

It is a pattern that shows every time when in the European parliament Russia and the Russian role in that region is discussed in parliament. In 14 resolutions, the PVV keeps trying to shield Russia from those resolutions by repeatedly voting against them.

In a resolution, which was done by personal vote, about the financing by the Russians of far right political parties in Russia, the PVV votes against the resolution. Cause for this revolution is the fact that the Front National of Marine Le Pen received loans in the millions from Russian banks closely tied to Putin/Kremlin. According to Le Pen she had to because French banks would no longer borrow her any money.

Since the 15th of June 2015, the PVV and the FN have joined forces with other anti-EU parties in the European parliament but that failed at first because there were not enough parties to form a faction.

But the voting behavior of the PVV before and after joining with the FN does not significantly change. Wilders and Le Pen had joined forces before the 2014 European elections.

For the PVV itself, there are no direct links with Russian backers and Geert Wilders denied having any connections to the Putin regime.

In a response, the leader of the EU faction of the PVV Marcel de Graaff claims that his party is not pro-Russian (he calls it complete nonsense) but that they just reject anything that has to do with the EU. Our faction diligently votes against any resolution by the EU in which they intend to interfere in something, according to de Graaff. But he is not really that true to what he said because on November 22 of last year, he and Le Pen created a resolution meant to keep Turkey out of the EU.

Stories about the Russians trying to blow up the EU from intern pressures, with the aid of extreme right anti-EU parties. Russia is doing the same outside of the EU.

Former PVV foreign affairs spokesperson, currently in the Dutch parliament, says that he is annoyed at the amateur like way the PVV works. I think it is a Pavlovian reaction. The PVV is against the Ukraine and the EU and thus pro-Russia. It is amateur hour and irresponsible according to that spokesperson.

In fact, according to Kortenoeven, everything the PVV decides in European parliament has to first be approved by Wilders personally. In 2014 emails were leaked in which Wilders scolded a member of the PVV Dutch parliament contingent because, in Wilders's views, that person was waayyy too critical about Russia

This is the translation of that article.
 
It was "explained" to me why Trump couldn't win too, but I won that bet with my sister-in-law. I am giving her a chance to win it back now. But I do have hope that Wilders and others like him can save Europe.

A party has never won a majority in the Netherlands since the early 1800s, the other parties have said they want nothing to do with him for a coalition, and the polls would have to be off by well over 35%. The biggest winner of the election is actually predicted to be Groen Links, the Green party. Here is a poll of polls for you.
 
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Yes, but we do not have a political system like in the US, our governments have to be a coalition government and Wilders has made himself impossible among most political parties (first for his reprehensible ideology and two for his duplicitous nature and the fact that he is a unreliable coalition partner).

Thanks for the clarification.


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You are always so bright, cheerful and helpful.

Go ahead, regale us the framework, the broad outline scaffolding at least. After mentioning ignorance so much, we are interested in you proving to us your non-ignorance.
You gotta be kidding.

Why would I repeat (just for your or anybody else's sake) what is already part of this thread?
 
Jesus dude, post 2? Post 2 is by a person I have never found anything of worth from... besides it is just a silly opinion that has nothing to do with the framework of how Dutch Political systems work.

C'mon now.

Post 2 tells you that the other parties wouldn't work with Wilders, he couldn't possibly govern. What so "silly opinion" about that?
 
The comments against Wilders here sound very much like those against Trump earlier, so I am betting on Wilders to win. If liberals hate him, he can't be all bad.

Trump is an idiot with deplorable morals and not that wonderful political views, but Wilders is evil/criminally insane/racist/intolerant to the maximus extremus.
 
Post 2 tells you that the other parties wouldn't work with Wilders, he couldn't possibly govern. What so "silly opinion" about that?
There is no source quoted, for one.

Two, she, as I had previously indicated, has never given me any confidence in the information she conveys as to its being accurate ...or with a correct analysis. Three, this is a very simplistic statement, so banal that it could fit numerous and myriad other scenarios.

In other words, empty words without further explanation and verification.
 
Post 2 tells you that the other parties wouldn't work with Wilders, he couldn't possibly govern. What so "silly opinion" about that?

You are right. I saw the heads of 3 of the 4 front runnig parties say in interviews that they would definitely not coalesce with Wilders.

What was disturbing was to hear Rutte say that there is good and bad populism.
 
Seems to me that Wilders is paving the way for a Right Wing leader with a somewhat more moderate outlook.

Face it.......people worldwide are rebelling against the flood of dissonant and problematic Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East.

This is only going to get worse and people will be drawn to candidates who oppose liberal and sloppy immigration practices.
 
Yes, but we do not have a political system like in the US, our governments have to be a coalition government ......

Yes. That is one of the main problems with parliamentary democracy as someone on Frace24 was saying. After the election everyone sits down to discuss which commitments given one's voter should be broken. As it is necessary to coalesce, nobody can be blamed for breaking their promises.
 
Yes. That is one of the main problems with parliamentary democracy as someone on Frace24 was saying. After the election everyone sits down to discuss which commitments given one's voter should be broken. As it is necessary to coalesce, nobody can be blamed for breaking their promises.

What a load of horse manure.
 
Seems to me that Wilders is paving the way for a Right Wing leader with a somewhat more moderate outlook.

Face it.......people worldwide are rebelling against the flood of dissonant and problematic Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East.

This is only going to get worse and people will be drawn to candidates who oppose liberal and sloppy immigration practices.

Nice to see you got your cheap shots at Muslims and liberals in early today.
 
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