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The Netherlands General Election March 15 2017 [W:99, 131]

joG said:
Yes. That is one of the main problems with parliamentary democracy as someone on Frace24 was saying. After the election everyone sits down to discuss which commitments given one's voter should be broken. As it is necessary to coalesce, nobody can be blamed for breaking their promises.
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I don't think you understand how coalitions work.
 
Peter King said:
Trump is an idiot with deplorable morals and not that wonderful political views, but Wilders is evil/criminally insane/racist/intolerant to the maximus extremus.
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Agreed, but Trump + Bannon gets a little too close to Wilders for comfort.
 
Vox said:
Not cheap, nor even shots........just the truth.
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You came in this thread with the express purpose of fear mongering Muslims and trashing liberals. That's the definition of a cheap shot.

Despite whatever alternative facts you see on Breitbart, we don't live in a black and white world. Would you like if you were judged by the actions of Radical Christian Terrorists? All Muslims are not "problematic". Loose immigration policy allowing for mass migrations into The Netherlands can pose problems for their society because they have a bigger welfare state. I don't know your personal beliefs but, if you are Christian then I understand your bias and why you think the Muslims are coming for you. You've been conditioned to believe that. Refugee crime rates are low at least in the U.S.

Is There a Link Between Refugees and U.S. Crime Rates? - Partnership for a New American Economy

Any increases in crime you're seeing is due to socio-economic reasons, lack of jobs and opportunity and not because of the religion of Islam.
 
JohnPaul said:
The comments against Wilders here sound very much like those against Trump earlier, so I am betting on Wilders to win. If liberals hate him, he can't be all bad.
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Yea he just wants to get rid of article 1 on the Dutch constitution which guarantees equality under the law. I bet he aint so bad as long as those durty libbuuurrals dont like him!
 
Winston said:
All Muslims are not "problematic".
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And I challenge you to show me where I've ever said that.

What I said was: "people worldwide are rebelling against the flood of dissonant and problematic Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East."

Those who understand the English language know that does not mean "All Muslims are problematic."

It plainly and obviously means that SOME Muslims are problematic.

You are so defensive that you jump too quickly to accuse.

Makes you look both aggressive and silly.
 
Vox said:
And I challenge you to show me where I've ever said that.

What I said was: "people worldwide are rebelling against the flood of dissonant and problematic Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East."

Those who understand the English language know that does not mean "All Muslims are problematic."

It plainly and obviously means that SOME Muslims are problematic.

You are so defensive that you jump too quickly to accuse.

Makes you look both aggressive and silly.
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You need to be clearer with your language. When you jump in calling Muslim immigrants problematic one can only think you mean that Muslims are a problem.
 
Vox said:
And I challenge you to show me where I've ever said that.

What I said was: "people worldwide are rebelling against the flood of dissonant and problematic Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East."

Those who understand the English language know that does not mean "All Muslims are problematic."

It plainly and obviously means that SOME Muslims are problematic.

You are so defensive that you jump too quickly to accuse.

Makes you look both aggressive and silly.
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Only if you can show that there is a statistical "flood" of dissonant and problematic immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East" can you get away with that.

There have been problems but have a significant proportion of the refugees been problematic and dissonant?
 
Vox said:
And I challenge you to show me where I've ever said that.

What I said was: "people worldwide are rebelling against the flood of dissonant and problematic Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East."

Those who understand the English language know that does not mean "All Muslims are problematic."

It plainly and obviously means that SOME Muslims are problematic.

You are so defensive that you jump too quickly to accuse.

Makes you look both aggressive and silly.
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People "worldwide" aren't "rebelling" against your imaginary "flood" of Muslim infiltrators trying to destroy Western Civilization. Conspiracies involving 1.5 billion people (not to mention in addition to the hundreds of millions of left-leaning and centrist people the world over), and every major establishment world leader on the planet, simply do not exist. Period.
 
joG said:
Yes. That is one of the main problems with parliamentary democracy as someone on Frace24 was saying. After the election everyone sits down to discuss which commitments given one's voter should be broken. As it is necessary to coalesce, nobody can be blamed for breaking their promises.
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No, it is not, if anything it makes sure that no extreme policy changes will take place but people can vote to give a new government the right direction of how our country needs to move. No government can keep all promises they make and that is good, because than the votes of loads of there people would not get validated, now the biggest parties who work together with other parties who then get to pull the direction of the country into the direction the majority of the people want it to move. At least that is my opinion.
 
calamity said:
I see a wave of Right Wing Nationalists sweeping through Europe. It's the current trend. So, Geert will win, IMO.
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No, Geert Wilders will not win, because he will be represented by only 20% of the population behind him and the parties that absolutely oppose him will have 80% of the voters behind them and that means the opponents of Wilders are far more numerous than the pro-Wilders voters.
 
The greatest voting locations this year are:

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The Marker Wadden, the Netherlands newest piece of land, people who live in Lelystad were able to go to the harbor there and from there it was one hour by boat to the voting location and 1.5 hours later a trip back, so people who wanted to vote there had to reserve 3.5 hours for the boat trip there and back.

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Zuidplas had a drive in voting office where you could drive in with your car, bike or motorbike.

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In Leiden you can go and vote in the History Museum in the Egypt exhibit

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In Marle, a small town/hamlet in Olst-Wijhe is so remote hard to reach that the 49 people who can vote in that town, would have to travel 40 kilometers to the nearest voting location, so the voting station is slap bang in the middle of Wim and Elly Westhoff living room.

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The highest voting location is in Amsterdam at the A'Dam tower, normally you have to pay 12.50 euro's to get to the 20th floor of that building but on this day, if you had a voting pass, you got in for free so that you can vote at that elevated level.
 
Porkuloss said:
Agreed, but Trump + Bannon gets a little too close to Wilders for comfort.
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As soon as Trump and Bannon do not start banning people wearing head scarfs as Wilders has stated or worse yet, Wilders has stated that if he were in power/if he got the power to dictate things, he would either close every mosque and if that were not an option, he would send in the police to confiscate any quran from every mosque. You know, like Nazi's used to do with books they did not like.
 
Peter King said:
As soon as Trump and Bannon do not start banning people wearing head scarfs as Wilders has stated or worse yet, Wilders has stated that if he were in power/if he got the power to dictate things, he would either close every mosque and if that were not an option, he would send in the police to confiscate any quran from every mosque. You know, like Nazi's used to do with books they did not like.
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I realize Wilders is horrible on every level. I do believe the system of government there will work to block him from any real power even in the event he somehow comes out on top in the election.

Trump is dumb, but a good con man. Bannon is a crazy white nationalist who pines for a clash of civilizations. Strange times we live in.
 
If the first exit polls are correct, then Wilders had a very bad night.
 
PeteEU said:
If the first exit polls are correct, then Wilders had a very bad night.
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BBC News 24 - Rutte wins most seats. Any hope for a Trump bandwagon rolling cross Europe ends tonight hopefully.
 
PeteEU said:
If the first exit polls are correct, then Wilders had a very bad night.
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I'm listening to BBC, they are predicting 19 seats for Wilders, 31 for the center right, and 19 for one of the others. Lets hope this holds up.
 
Well, the exit polls are out:

VVD (Rutte) 31 seats

PvdA 9 seats

PVV (Wilders) 19 seats

SP 14 seats

CDA 19 seats

D66 19 seats

Christenunie 9 seats

Groenlinks 16 seats

SGP 3 seats

PvdD 5 seats

50plus 4 seats

So Wilders has gained but only 4 seats making him still having less than 13% of the Dutch electorate. 87% has voted against the PVV and it's anti-Islamic hate mongering.
 
Chances of a Wilders prime minister future went from virtually zero to absolutely zero (below zero even) and if not now, with all the negative feelings toward the "old parties" Wilders has not made the impact he dreamed about.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Only if you can show that there is a statistical "flood" of dissonant and problematic immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East" can you get away with that.

There have been problems but have a significant proportion of the refugees been problematic and dissonant?
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There are 65 million people worldwide that are now considered refugees.

The U.S. has taken in 650,000 just from the SIX WORST, MOST FAILED nations in the world since 2006 and European countries have taken in far more. Germany, for example, took in about 1,300,000 in the last two years.

The U.S. took in about 40,000 Muslims last year. That was about half of all that we took in from all nations.

U.S. admits record number of Muslim refugees in 2016 | Pew Research Center

Six countries named in revised Trump travel order accounted for more than 650,000 U.S. entries since 2006 | Pew Research Center

I'd call that a flood.

You say there have been problems........well, that means that there are enough problematic people to cause problems.

That means there is a problem. I don't know about where you are, but we have a HELL of a problem with Somalis in Minnesota (where they have taken advantage of "Minnesota Nice" to "Flood" in and as soon as they do get in they then immediately, send for, and bring, every possible cousin, uncle and grandpa with them).

We don't want them.......but they're now increasing faster than they can be counted and the government is forcing them upon us.

Relations between natives and Somalians can only be described as ugly and hostile and it's getting worse. Not only a drain on taxpayers, but forcing people to live in constant fear of acts of violence.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Somali+problems+in+St.+Cloud&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

And people like you are just saying, "More, more, more."

Pardon me if I'm a little sick of it. It must "STOP, STOP, STOP."
 
Vox said:
There are 65 million people worldwide that are now considered refugees.

The U.S. has taken in 650,000 just from the SIX WORST, MOST FAILED nations in the world since 2006 and European countries have taken in far more. Germany, for example, took in about 1,300,000 in the last two years.

The U.S. took in about 40,000 Muslims last year. That was about half of all that we took in from all nations.

U.S. admits record number of Muslim refugees in 2016 | Pew Research Center

Six countries named in revised Trump travel order accounted for more than 650,000 U.S. entries since 2006 | Pew Research Center

I'd call that a flood.

You say there have been problems........well, that means that there are enough problematic people to cause problems.

That means there is a problem. I don't know about where you are, but we have a HELL of a problem with Somalis in Minnesota (where they have taken advantage of "Minnesota Nice" to "Flood" in and as soon as they do get in they then immediately, send for, and bring, every possible cousin, uncle and grandpa with them).

We don't want them.......but they're now increasing faster than they can be counted and the government is forcing them upon us.

Relations between natives and Somalians can only be described as ugly and hostile and it's getting worse. Not only a drain on taxpayers, but forcing people to live in constant fear of acts of violence.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Somali+problems+in+St.+Cloud&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
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You've gone from a flood to Somalis.

Vox said:
And people like you are just saying, "More, more, more."
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Where?

Show me where or you are a liar.
 
Peter King said:
Well, the exit polls are out:

VVD (Rutte) 31 seats

PvdA 9 seats

PVV (Wilders) 19 seats

SP 14 seats

CDA 19 seats

D66 19 seats

Christenunie 9 seats

Groenlinks 16 seats

SGP 3 seats

PvdD 5 seats

50plus 4 seats

So Wilders has gained but only 4 seats making him still having less than 13% of the Dutch electorate. 87% has voted against the PVV and it's anti-Islamic hate mongering.
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Rutte's populist move against Turkey got the desired effect. As he said on the tv, there is bad and there is good populism. And judging by the fact that Wilders didn't win I guess he meant this was good populism.
 
Winston said:
You need to be clearer with your language. When you jump in calling Muslim immigrants problematic one can only think you mean that Muslims are a problem.
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Yeah.......hello........Muslims ARE a problem. Muslims are screaming "Death to America" every damned day.

You been living under a rock?
 
Vox said:
Yeah.......hello........Muslims ARE a problem. Muslims are screaming "Death to America" every damned day.

You been living under a rock?
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:doh

You just tried saying you weren't accusing all muslims yet here you are broad brushing again.
 
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