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The Netherlands & Turkey on a war path about visit of foreign minister Çavusog [W:39]

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Peter King said:
Sadly it is, what I especially worry about is about the freedom of the Turks to change their government through democratic processes in the future, especially if Erdogan gets his increased power. I fear it will be almost impossible for democratically force him out of that office of president.
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If he wins the referendum, he will have mostly unfettered power to rule. Parliament, those that support this, will be the lap dog it is now.
 
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Peter King said:
You over simplify and do what Wilders also loves to do, generalize the attitudes of all Muslims based on prejudice that all Muslims think alike. And Wilders is a populist moron who does nothing but provoke bad feelings between parts of the Dutch population for the purpose of political power.
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I don't think Wilders needs to worry about his reasoning when he can point to the damage Islam has done in Europe, and his own country. Terror and crime is increasing. You do not have to generalize to realize that Islam brings this, not individual Muslims.
 
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Stupid Turkish demonstrators in Samsun (angry at the Dutch) are burning the Dutch flag



and after they burn the Dutch flag they proudly stand there with the Turkish flag, but I am not calling the stupid for protesting the Dutch (even though it was the Turkish authorities who caused this whole kerfuffle), no, I am calling them stupid/morons/dumbasses because........................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ................



The idiots are burning THE FRENCH FLAG!!!!

:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
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coldjoint said:
When has Wilders said anything about killing or putting Muslims in camps? Should I wait?
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Neither did Hitler for the first few years of his power..
 
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coldjoint said:
I don't think Wilders needs to worry about his reasoning when he can point to the damage Islam has done in Europe, and his own country. Terror and crime is increasing. You do not have to generalize to realize that Islam brings this, not individual Muslims.
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Well, as we have seen little terrorism in the Netherlands and the idiotic idea that the religion of youths is the reason they are committing crimes (at least most of the crimes committed by Muslim inner city youths) is ludicrous. And he is pretty much blaming every Muslim for problems and he is wanting to ban the freedom of religion because he is an intolerant troll (just look at his idiotic hair and grin/face).
 
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PeteEU said:
Neither did Hitler for the first few years of his power..
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Wilders wants Islam gone. Nothing has been said about killing anyone from Wilders side. Comparing him to Hitler is bull****. If anyone is using techniques like Hitler take a look at Erdogan and his government.
 
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Peter King said:
Well, as we have seen little terrorism in the Netherlands and the idiotic idea that the religion of youths is the reason they are committing crimes (at least most of the crimes committed by Muslim inner city youths) is ludicrous. And he is pretty much blaming every Muslim for problems and he is wanting to ban the freedom of religion because he is an intolerant troll (just look at his idiotic hair and grin/face).
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If Wilders is intolerant why the 24 security? I would call the people that want him dead intolerant.
 
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coldjoint said:
Wilders wants Islam gone.
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Hitler wanted Jews gone.

Nothing has been said about killing anyone from Wilders side.
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Niether did Hitler. In fact it was not until the end of the war that the world realized what he had done since 1941... remember he gained power in the early 1930s..

Comparing him to Hitler is bull****.
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No it is not, he like Hitler, is using scapegoating and blaming a religious minority. 0

If anyone is using techniques like Hitler take a look at Erdogan and his government.
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On this I agree. But so is your buddy Wilders.
 
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coldjoint said:
If Wilders is intolerant why the 24 security? I would call the people that want him dead intolerant.
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Did I ever say the people threatening him were not intolerant, but the reason for that intolerance is also based on Wilders's intolerance of Muslims and their religion. Not that i agree with the idiots who threaten him, but again, it is not like just Wilders needs protection from idiots, sadly people who oppose Wilders's hatred get letters with bullets in it and get death threats too.
 
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Peter King said:
Did I ever say the people threatening him were not intolerant, but the reason for that intolerance is also based on Wilders's intolerance of Muslims and their religion. Not that i agree with the idiots who threaten him, but again, it is not like just Wilders needs protection from idiots, sadly people who oppose Wilders's hatred get letters with bullets in it and get death threats too.
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The religion of Islam is intolerant. That is just a fact. So please do not imply Wilders intolerance has a thing to do with Islams intolerance. Intolerance is a cornerstone in Islam.
 
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coldjoint said:
The religion of Islam is intolerant. That is just a fact. So please do not imply Wilders intolerance has a thing to do with Islams intolerance. Intolerance is a cornerstone in Islam.
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Well, intolerance is also the cornerstone of Wilders's world view. And loads of muslims are not more intolerant than loads of other religious people.
 
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Peter King said:
Well, intolerance is also the cornerstone of Wilders's world view. And loads of muslims are not more intolerant than loads of other religious people.
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That is because tolerating intolerance is cowardliness. That is Wilders world view, saying he wants no part of Islam for very understandable reasons seen all through Europe.
 
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Hilarious, the mass human rights abuser Erdogan is trying to bring the Netherlands in front of the European court of human rights. Again hilarious for a person with so little respect for human rights to whine at the European court for human rights for his government officials refusing to comply with the law in a EU country.

A minister of family affairs does not have diplomatic immunity or diplomatic rights that allow her to violate area bans that apply to everyone, Dutch and Turkish. The area around the consulate was banned for everybody except people who live there or who had legitimate business of being in that area. Also she may have had her own armed security staff which is also not just allowed in the Netherlands without previous permission (like when the US president came to the Netherlands).

He also kept whining about Angela Merkel and claiming she is supporting terrorism in the world with her decisions. Even though the German government is bending backward to even help Turkey in holding that referendum in Germany by opening election venues normally used in German elections and paying for security to protect those polling places.

More prove that the autocratic Erdogan is an immoral piece of scum
 
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coldjoint said:
That is because tolerating intolerance is cowardliness. That is Wilders world view, saying he wants no part of Islam for very understandable reasons seen all through Europe.
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Well, it is not understandable and his idiotic world views are exactly what makes him an intolerant moron. And he is a coward, when difficult decisions about the Dutch economy had to be made he made like the coward he is and dropped his support for the government he was supposed to support.

People may dislike the PvdA and VVD for the difficult decisions they made in the past view years, but you cannot solve an unbalanced budget by making token savings, you have to make brave choices so that in the future the current system of social security and prosperity for Dutch citizens can be kept at the levels which are appropriate in the views of the Dutch voters/citizens. And yes, that made for both political parties stepping over their own shadows and working together for a better future of the Netherlands.

Wilders was proven to be a coward and totally untrustworthy and that is one of the reasons most political parties will not go into a government that has the PVV and Wilders in it.

And again, Wilders is like Erdogan, power hungry and morally deficient.
 
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Peter King said:
Well, it is not understandable and his idiotic world views are exactly what makes him an intolerant moron. And he is a coward, when difficult decisions about the Dutch economy had to be made he made like the coward he is and dropped his support for the government he was supposed to support.

People may dislike the PvdA and VVD for the difficult decisions they made in the past view years, but you cannot solve an unbalanced budget by making token savings, you have to make brave choices so that in the future the current system of social security and prosperity for Dutch citizens can be kept at the levels which are appropriate in the views of the Dutch voters/citizens. And yes, that made for both political parties stepping over their own shadows and working together for a better future of the Netherlands.

Wilders was proven to be a coward and totally untrustworthy and that is one of the reasons most political parties will not go into a government that has the PVV and Wilders in it.

And again, Wilders is like Erdogan, power hungry and morally deficient.
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I think Wilders has a strong moral message. It is the same message free men have always had and that is the right to decide there own destiny.
 
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coldjoint said:
The religion of Islam is intolerant. That is just a fact. So please do not imply Wilders intolerance has a thing to do with Islams intolerance. Intolerance is a cornerstone in Islam.
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So Wilders' intolerance comes simply from within himself.

Not that this has anything in the least to do with the thread topic of current Dutch-Turkish tensions and how they are developing.
 
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coldjoint said:
The religion of Islam is intolerant. That is just a fact. So please do not imply Wilders intolerance has a thing to do with Islams intolerance. Intolerance is a cornerstone in Islam.
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So all Muslims are the enemy?
 
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Chagos said:
So Wilders' intolerance comes simply from within himself.

Not that this has anything in the least to do with the thread topic of current Dutch-Turkish tensions and how they are developing.
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You had to edit this post? And Wilders intolerance comes from Islams, and Islams habit of forcing it on people everywhere they go.

Your other comment is a moderators job. I suggest you leave it that way.
 
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JANFU said:
So all Muslims are the enemy?
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There isn't really any Muslim angle in this deterioration of Turkish-Dutch diplomatic relations.

Except, of course, for those that want to pull one out of their hat.
 
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JANFU said:
So all Muslims are the enemy?
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When Islam is interpreted literally, yes. Most states in the Middle East, generally speaking, have quite a few values (and they range in extremity by country) that are not compatible with values in the west. It's a mixture of the religion and the average intelligence of countries where Islam is practiced. Religion aside, it is near impossible to assimilate a group of people whose culture is diametrically opposed to the host culture, ESPECIALLY when the host culture has a large welfare state which encourages the opposite of assimilation.
 
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Chagos said:
There isn't really any Muslim angle in this deterioration of Turkish-Dutch diplomatic relations.

Except, of course, for those that want to pull one out of their hat.
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Chagos- I was being sarcastic. Damn we need a nice color for sarcasm.
 
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JANFU said:
So all Muslims are the enemy?
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I have explained that I talk about Islam, not individual Muslims. Some Muslims are the enemy and those are the Muslims I am concerned with, and so is Wilders.
 
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coldjoint said:
You had to edit this post? And Wilders intolerance comes from Islams, and Islams habit of forcing it on people everywhere they go.

Your other comment is a moderators job. I suggest you leave it that way.
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I suggest you read back.
 
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coldjoint said:
I have explained that I talk about Islam, not individual Muslims. Some Muslims are the enemy and those are the Muslims I am concerned with, and so is Wilders.
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I have never heard you mention any good Muslims. Did I miss that??
 
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Chagos said:
There isn't really any Muslim angle in this deterioration of Turkish-Dutch diplomatic relations.

Except, of course, for those that want to pull one out of their hat.
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There is a Muslim angle in anything that concerns Europe and an Islamic these days. To say anything else is laughable
 
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