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European Parliament Votes to Censor Politically Incorrect Speech[W:76]
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The prime minster of the UK unequivocally promised that the results of the referendum would be absolute and final and that in the event of a leave vote that A50 would enacted on June the 24th of last year.
He actively campaigned on this promise for the EU referendum.
He also made repeatedly clear that a vote to leave the EU was a vote to end the single market. That it meant no partial membership or EEA type deal. A "hard Brexit" as remainers like to call it.
I couldn't put a date on the fall of the EU.
I sort of see it fading into obscurity or fading back into much lesser relevance rather than disappearing entirely.
Sort of like how in the 1990's the UN was seen as the next world order. The global law.
But then after Iraq wars and such everyone realised it wasn't able to do much and moved on.
My government doesn't want what it's people want. My current prime minister, the prime minister at the time and indeed all former living prime ministers, voted to remain.
Every other referendum to leave the EU has never yet resulted in that nation actually leaving. There is precedent in this.
Trust is earned.
They have yet to do so.
Am I happy with the pace? Hmm. I certainly not panicking.
I'm not out burning stuff in the street... but another dead MP at this stage would do wonders to jog things along.
This may yet end in war.
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Lemme guess, you're a Spanish/Napoleonic schmidget amirite?
As for you and your Italian ship claim... I know you're in fact a Russian mole.
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I don't recall that. Do you have a link to where Cameron made this promise? Just curious.
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I didn't remember it either to be honest with. I didn't follow the referendum campaigns. A poster on another forum alerted me to it and I have yet to confirm it's truth.
I'll have a quick Google for it now.
Here's my first one. Feb 2013
“If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away.” David Cameron.
I don't think it's a stretch to consider Straight away to mean, well, you know, straight away. That is of course when he thought he was going to deliver a remain vote.
Afterwards when it became clear that he had not, he changed his tune. (Guardian headline) Brexit: UK 'needs some time' Cameron says in Brussels – as it happened
Quote from the independent.
"He backtracked on two statements made in the campaign, saying that Britain could survive outside the EU and that he would not immediately trigger formal talks on the exit terms after a vote to leave".
I'll have a quick Google for it now.
Here's my first one. Feb 2013
“If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away.” David Cameron.
I don't think it's a stretch to consider Straight away to mean, well, you know, straight away. That is of course when he thought he was going to deliver a remain vote.
Afterwards when it became clear that he had not, he changed his tune. (Guardian headline) Brexit: UK 'needs some time' Cameron says in Brussels – as it happened
Quote from the independent.
"He backtracked on two statements made in the campaign, saying that Britain could survive outside the EU and that he would not immediately trigger formal talks on the exit terms after a vote to leave".
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Нет ... err I mean لا... damnit.. I mean no!
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That about covers it :2razz:
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US states can't leave the United States without a war. I think that was shown when they tried it in 1860. And yours is not the only opinion of European politics here.
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Cheers, that leads to this page -
https://www.publications.parliament...srd/cm160222/debtext/160222-0001.htm#16022210
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Nice one thanks.
Here is some context of the quote
Today I am commencing the process set out under our European Union Referendum Act to propose that the British people decide our future in Europe through an in/out referendum on Thursday 23 June. The Foreign Secretary has laid in both Houses a report setting out the new settlement that the Government have negotiated. That fulfils the duty to publish information which is set out in section 6 of the European Union Referendum Act. As the Cabinet agreed on Saturday, the Government’s position will be to recommend that Britain remain in a reformed European Union.
This is a vital decision for the future of our country, and I believe we should also be clear that it is a final decision. An idea has been put forward that if the country voted to leave, we could have a second renegotiation and perhaps another referendum. I will not dwell on the irony that some people who want to vote to leave apparently want to use a “leave” vote to remain, but such an approach also ignores more profound points about democracy, diplomacy and legality. This is a straight democratic decision—staying in or leaving—and no Government can ignore that. Having a second renegotiation followed by a second referendum is not on the ballot paper. For a Prime Minister to ignore the express will of the British people to leave the EU would be not just wrong, but undemocratic.
On the diplomacy, the idea that other European countries would be ready to start a second negotiation is for the birds. Many are under pressure for what they have already agreed. Then there is the legality. I want to spell out this point carefully, because it is important. If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away. Let me be absolutely clear about how this works. It triggers a two-year time period to negotiate the arrangements for exit. At the end of this period, if no agreement is in place, then exit is automatic unless every one of the 27 other EU member states agrees to a delay.
And we should be clear that this process is not an invitation to re-join; it is a process for leaving.
Not that it matters, he was lying. Everyone knew he was going to be, which is why no one much listened to him.
Here is some context of the quote
Today I am commencing the process set out under our European Union Referendum Act to propose that the British people decide our future in Europe through an in/out referendum on Thursday 23 June. The Foreign Secretary has laid in both Houses a report setting out the new settlement that the Government have negotiated. That fulfils the duty to publish information which is set out in section 6 of the European Union Referendum Act. As the Cabinet agreed on Saturday, the Government’s position will be to recommend that Britain remain in a reformed European Union.
This is a vital decision for the future of our country, and I believe we should also be clear that it is a final decision. An idea has been put forward that if the country voted to leave, we could have a second renegotiation and perhaps another referendum. I will not dwell on the irony that some people who want to vote to leave apparently want to use a “leave” vote to remain, but such an approach also ignores more profound points about democracy, diplomacy and legality. This is a straight democratic decision—staying in or leaving—and no Government can ignore that. Having a second renegotiation followed by a second referendum is not on the ballot paper. For a Prime Minister to ignore the express will of the British people to leave the EU would be not just wrong, but undemocratic.
On the diplomacy, the idea that other European countries would be ready to start a second negotiation is for the birds. Many are under pressure for what they have already agreed. Then there is the legality. I want to spell out this point carefully, because it is important. If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away. Let me be absolutely clear about how this works. It triggers a two-year time period to negotiate the arrangements for exit. At the end of this period, if no agreement is in place, then exit is automatic unless every one of the 27 other EU member states agrees to a delay.
And we should be clear that this process is not an invitation to re-join; it is a process for leaving.
Not that it matters, he was lying. Everyone knew he was going to be, which is why no one much listened to him.
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If they voted repeatedly to do so, could they stop them today? It seems much like trying to stop Scotland leaving the UK if it votes for independence.