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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/762292/Rothernham-abuse-trial-Allah-akbar-jail

gunner said:
Rotherham sex abusers shout ‘Allah akbar’ as judge jails | UK | News | Express.co.uk

And who was it that keeps saying this abuse was nothing to do with their religion? Further evidence of the sickening that effects these Muslim enclaves.

Edit: note brothers involved, again.
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It has nothing to do with their religion. We have had this debate before, so lets do it again... is the abuse in Parliament by UK politicians over decades a Christian problem? Or the many other cases of organized child abuse across the UK.. is that a white Christian issue? Or is it just that they are all perverts?
 
If a Christian says something like “God help me!” when they’re sentenced, does that automatically mean their crime gets associated with their religion? What if the Christian says it in their native Arabic?
 
PeteEU said:
It has nothing to do with their religion. We have had this debate before, so lets do it again... is the abuse in Parliament by UK politicians over decades a Christian problem? Or the many other cases of organized child abuse across the UK.. is that a white Christian issue? Or is it just that they are all perverts?
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Then perhaps it's cultural.
 
HonestJoe said:
If a Christian says something like “God help me!” when they’re sentenced, does that automatically mean their crime gets associated with their religion? What if the Christian says it in their native Arabic?
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You miss the point: he shouted Allah Akbar as a provocation to the UK. It was a way for him to claim his identity and therefore his hatred against the country that jails him. Like a man performing a Nazi salute.

Was it religious? It was rather a matter of identity, and their identity is built upon Islam and against the West. Us versus they.

His crime was not religious, it was racist: he purposely raped a child of the enemy group, a British. By shouting "Allah Akbar" after the trial, he reassessed his identity and hatred.

You could say he is a Muslim supremacist. Many Muslims are, probably most of them, although not that violently.
 
HonestJoe said:
If a Christian says something like “God help me!” when they’re sentenced, does that automatically mean their crime gets associated with their religion? What if the Christian says it in their native Arabic?
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In the given context there isn't much doubt that the exclamations were delivered as an expression of defiance.

That Allah, if he actually existed, would actually be igniting the fire over which to roast these scum upon their arrival, obviously escapes them completely.

Your comparison to what a Christian might might have said would have been more apt, had you adjusted your hypothesis to that exclamation being "God damn you all".

Not that it would have been particular Christian but that's another matter altogether.
 
Auvergnat said:
You miss the point: he shouted Allah Akbar as a provocation to the UK.
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How do you know that? All we have is a second (probably third) hand report that they shouted it. As far as I can tell, nobody even tried to establish what he actually meant by it.

My overall point is that “Allahu Akbar” is a generic term. It’s associated with terrorism and Islamist aggression in western eyes because that’s typically the only context we hear (or remember) it in but it’s actually used in much, much wider contexts. Automatically jumping to a negative connotations whenever it might be heard is wrong.

Auvergnat said:
You could say he is a Muslim supremacist. Many Muslims are, probably most of them, although not that violently.
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And you could be a white supremacist. I’ve heard a lot more words from you have I have from him but I’m still not going to jump to any conclusions about you and certainly not about any generic groups you might be associated with.
 
HonestJoe said:
How do you know that?
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Why would he say it otherwise? To praise the verdict?!

My overall point is that “Allahu Akbar” is a generic term.
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Of course. But in this context it is unambiguous.

And you could be a white supremacist.
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For the record, white supremacism is something typically American, related to the American context.

In my case I do not believe in races and do not think I belong to a superior group, although I despise the Islamic cultures. I simply want France to remain culturally French and I deny Muslims' individual rights to Islamize France and to immigrate, and I think immigration must be halted because ethnic diversity only brings problems, and severe ones, both for the majority and the minorities.

Actually I think that only mostly homogeneous nations can be successful on the long term (although compatible groups can be assimilated though authoritarian policies). Diversity seems to be a transitory state that can only lead to assimilation, extermination or secession. Exceptions all take place in the past where distances were longer and interactions less frequent, or they involve a foreign threat.
 
Auvergnat said:
Why would he say it otherwise? To praise the verdict?!
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I don’t know and neither do you, that’s the point. You made an unsupported assumption and presented it as a definitive conclusion.

Auvergnat said:
For the record, white supremacism is something typically American, related to the American context.
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Rubbish. The concept pre-dates the existence of the USA (it even played a role in it’s formation).

Auvergnat said:
I simply want France to remain culturally French and I deny Muslims' individual rights to Islamize France and to immigrate, and I think immigration must be halted because ethnic diversity only brings problems, and severe ones, both for the majority and the minorities.
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On that basis, do you believe emigration should be halted too? By your theory, French people moving to other countries could be as harmful as non-French people moving to France. Surely it would be wrong for a government to refuse to accept diversity within their own borders while permitting their citizens to go and create it elsewhere?
 
HonestJoe said:
Rubbish. The concept pre-dates the existence of the USA (it even played a role in it’s formation).
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What I mean is that this concept is politically insignificant today in Europe (at least in France, I am not familiar enough with others). We do not use the concept of "race", this is not how we see the world: the concept fell out of favor even before the ww2 and it became taboo after it.

Our far-right is about culture, religion and identity, not genes. Anecdotally you can hear an individual alleging the inferiority of Africa's IQ or the consequences of incestuous weddings in Muslim tribes, but it is anecdotal and it is still not about the superiority of white people.

Moreover understand that Muslims look a lot like Southern Europeans. And we do have few black people because slavery was mostly non-existent on the mainland.


Ironically, the liberal Hollywood is currently the main source spreading racialist and esentialist perceptions to Europe. If you hear a Frenchman using the word race, odds are very high that he is an avid consumer of US series and medias, or spent some years in the USA.

On that basis, do you believe emigration should be halted too?
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No. I am liberal on most of issues and I do not desire to restrain my compatriots' rights. Regrettably Islam put us with the back on the wall and we now have to embrace radicalism if we want to survive, hence why I have this intolerant attitude towards them.

Moreover few French people emigrate and most eventually come back later with a precious experience and foreign assets, like I did myself. Among the permanent emigrants we find many Muslims and other pseudo-French citizens that I am happy to let go.

Similarly I regret that we reached a point where we have so many undesirable immigrants that as a result we will have to close our doors to great immigrants that we had welcome in better times.

Surely it would be wrong for a government to refuse to accept diversity within their own borders while permitting their citizens to go and create it elsewhere?
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It is the business of every country to decide whether it wants them or not.
 
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PeteEU said:
It has nothing to do with their religion. We have had this debate before, so lets do it again... is the abuse in Parliament by UK politicians over decades a Christian problem? Or the many other cases of organized child abuse across the UK.. is that a white Christian issue? Or is it just that they are all perverts?
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Yes. We've had this debate many times, and you're as wrong this time as much as you were wrong, on all other occasions.
 
PeteEU said:
So British culture is "child abuse"?
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Get a grip you total fool! What has shouting Allah Akbar got to do with British culture?
 
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