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Germany Paying Refugees to Leave, Many are Taking the Money and Running

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A program to pay asylum applicants in Germany to return to their home countries, often before a decision is made on their status, has begun. The government wants to increase the number of people who choose to leave.

About 40 million euros ($43 million) has been set aside for payments.

People older than 12 who withdraw their asylum applications before their case is decided would receive 1,200 euros. People whose applications are rejected would receive 800 euros if they agreed not to appeal the decision and instead leave Germany before the end of a given time limit. Extra payments would apply for families and children under 12; there is also provision for migrants who have a "Duldung" or temporary permission to stay in Germany.

For the government, paying migrants and refugees to return of their own accord pays off because deporting them is much more expensive.
Program paying asylum applicants to leave Germany voluntarily begins | News | DW.COM | 01.02.2017
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Some migrants are taking the bribe to return to their home countries, as 20,000 more migrants returned home in 2016 than 2015. Which kind of means that they were only in Germany for free money & programs anyway, not trying to flee war or oppression.

Thoughts?
 
truthatallcost said:
Some migrants are taking the bribe to return to their home countries, as 20,000 more migrants returned home in 2016 than 2015. Which kind of means that they were only in Germany for free money & programs anyway, not trying to flee war or oppression.

Thoughts?
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It sounds like German MO. When the East was taken over the government paid so that the Vietnamese left behind in East Germany were repatriated. It paid the Hanoi rulers instead of the individuals at that time, though.
There is another oddity.
Seeing that German public media have been saying that the "criminals helping refugees to flee" cost 5.000 to 15.000 dollars for the service, it seems a lousy deal to go back for 1.200 dollars.

I wonder. Is this a case of post factuality?
 
truthatallcost said:
Some migrants are taking the bribe to return to their home countries, as 20,000 more migrants returned home in 2016 than 2015. Which kind of means that they were only in Germany for free money & programs anyway, not trying to flee war or oppression.

Thoughts?
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Many countries have been doing this for decades.. you been living in a hole or something?
 
People return when they can. Maybe they figure conditions improved in the course of a year. Maybe that combined with the payments clinched the decision. Either way 1200 euros is a paltry sum compared to the risk that comes with fleeing. It's highly doubtful anyone made the journey with this mind

Most likely, with a backlog that huge (430,000 and counting), the refugees determined it would be years before their case was heard and they were sick of living in a lawless tent city far from home

In fact you really don't read your own article and just use it to fill your own biases:

" a refugee's travel to Germany cost about 7,100 euros and took 35 days on average."

so yeah who the hell would go there just to turn around and leave for 1200 euros
 
truthatallcost said:
Some migrants are taking the bribe to return to their home countries, as 20,000 more migrants returned home in 2016 than 2015. Which kind of means that they were only in Germany for free money & programs anyway, not trying to flee war or oppression.

Thoughts?
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My first thought is many migrants will return to Germany within the year with a new name, dob and country of origin. Others will come to Sweden and/or a couple of other gullible European countries.
 
Sweden said:
My first thought is many migrants will return to Germany within the year with a new name, dob and country of origin. Others will come to Sweden and/or a couple of other gullible European countries.
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I thought about that as well. Since many migrants are using fictitious names and country of origin, what's to stop them from doing this?
 
truthatallcost said:
Denmark population- 6 million
California population- 40 million

We could easily be a country. Maybe the PRC, People's Republic of California.
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Still not a country. You are part of the country called The United States of America.
 
truthatallcost said:
Very good Pete. Back to the topic.
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An irrelevant topic, since paying refugees to go home in one way or another, has been going on for decades in many countries. The UK has been doing it for a while as well.. why no bitching about that?
 
PeteEU said:
Still not a country. You are part of the country called The United States of America.
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You didn't ask if he lived in a country. You asked if he lived in a hole. Can't keep up with your own post?

:rofl

Letting refugees in and then paying them to leave is the height of stupidity. The ruling class in Europe and the US have no concern for how they spend taxpayer funds.

No wonder Trump's MAF is so popular with anyone who has a functional brain.
 
PeteEU said:
An irrelevant topic, since paying refugees to go home in one way or another, has been going on for decades in many countries. The UK has been doing it for a while as well.. why no bitching about that?
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It's also cheaper than indefinitely feeding them.

Beyond which Germany does not apply the practice to those that qualify as refugees, the article cited in the OP specifically refers to asylum seekers.

Even where one can consider it a bit of a stretch to declare a place like Absurdistan safe, thus being able to deny affording Afghan asylum seekers the refugee (from a war zone) status.
 
truthatallcost said:
I thought about that as well. Since many migrants are using fictitious names and country of origin, what's to stop them from doing this?
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Always nice to have an easy question: Nothing. The Berlin truck murderer had used at seven different names and three different nationalities in scams around Europe. And you may recall that the first man arrested was an 'Afghan' who after a couple of days turned out to be a Pakistani.
 
truthatallcost said:
I thought about that as well. Since many migrants are using fictitious names and country of origin, what's to stop them from doing this?
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Well, not sure whether this meanwhile applies to all European countries, but in Germany any arriving asylum seeker is finger-printed.

So, to look on the brighter side, identification of those re-entering under another name will be much easier the second time around.

Interesting tidbit: In disputes with Morocco over whether a deportee was Moroccan or not (Germany insisting that he was, Morocco demanding more proof), Morocco finally told Germany to send the guy's fingerprints. When German authorities showed puzzlement over what good this would do, Morocco enlightened them to the fact that it fingerprints all of its citizens at the first possible opportunity.

I could have told the Germans that but the bloody incompetents never asked me.:mrgreen:
 
truthatallcost said:
Some migrants are taking the bribe to return to their home countries, as 20,000 more migrants returned home in 2016 than 2015. Which kind of means that they were only in Germany for free money & programs anyway, not trying to flee war or oppression.

Thoughts?
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I wonder why Germany wants them out so bad ? :lol: I wonder why liberals want them so bad . :roll:
 
truthatallcost said:
Yes, California :D
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Last time I looked California was not a hole and I have it on good authority that it hasn't become one meanwhile.

Of course I have no information whatsoever on what arrangements you have made over personal accommodation.:lol:

Also brings to mind the old joke of "He's not a bad person on the whole, but take him off it and he craps all over the place".:mrgreen:

As I said, a joke and not directed at anyone in particular.;)

I incidentally loved it there but was doing more of the tourist thing. On actually living there I can't comment much.
 
Sweden said:
My first thought is many migrants will return to Germany within the year with a new name, dob and country of origin. Others will come to Sweden and/or a couple of other gullible European countries.
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If they are economic migrants who paid a few thousand euros to get to Germany, leaving for 1200 euros only to spend another few thousand next year to go back does not make economic sense, meaning they likely wont return.

If they were importing drugs (say heroin) to Germany and it did not cost them anything then they would likely come back next year.

If they were fleeing war zones, (afghanis, syrians, etc) depending on where they go back they may or may not stay. It is doubtful they would have the money to make a return to Germany
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
If they are economic migrants who paid a few thousand euros to get to Germany, leaving for 1200 euros only to spend another few thousand next year to go back does not make economic sense, meaning they likely wont return.

If they were importing drugs (say heroin) to Germany and it did not cost them anything then they would likely come back next year.

If they were fleeing war zones, (afghanis, syrians, etc) depending on where they go back they may or may not stay. It is doubtful they would have the money to make a return to Germany
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Not a few migrants with experience are themselves people smugglers and can make a profit on the return trip.
 
Sweden said:
Not a few migrants with experience are themselves people smugglers and can make a profit on the return trip.
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The smugglers yes could but I doubt they have stayed in Germany to begin with. They would make more money smuggling people rather then waiting for a 1200 payout
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The smugglers yes could but I doubt they have stayed in Germany to begin with. They would make more money smuggling people rather then waiting for a 1200 payout
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Another aspect is that many will, in any case, have a holiday back home every year or two. Many 'asylum seekers' in Sweden, supposedly fleeing for their lives do just at their own expense.
 
Chagos said:
Well, not sure whether this meanwhile applies to all European countries, but in Germany any arriving asylum seeker is finger-printed.

So, to look on the brighter side, identification of those re-entering under another name will be much easier the second time around.

Interesting tidbit: In disputes with Morocco over whether a deportee was Moroccan or not (Germany insisting that he was, Morocco demanding more proof), Morocco finally told Germany to send the guy's fingerprints. When German authorities showed puzzlement over what good this would do, Morocco enlightened them to the fact that it fingerprints all of its citizens at the first possible opportunity.

I could have told the Germans that but the bloody incompetents never asked me.:mrgreen:
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That's fine, but Moroccans represent a tiny portion of migrants to Germany. Which lead to this little mix up;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Maria_Ladenburger

The suspect claimed to be Iranian upon entry, and was placed with a German family who sheltered him. He was actually Afghani, had served time in a Greek prison, and may have murdered 2 or more German women in less than a year upon entering Germany.
 
truthatallcost said:
That's fine, but Moroccans represent a tiny portion of migrants to Germany. Which lead to this little mix up;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Maria_Ladenburger

The suspect claimed to be Iranian upon entry, and was placed with a German family who sheltered him. He was actually Afghani, had served time in a Greek prison, and may have murdered 2 or more German women in less than a year upon entering Germany.
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I quite agree.

Not just a mix-up but classical case of a botch job.

Nevertheless, what I offered up on Moroccans being finger-printed both at home (prior to leaving there) and in Germany (now upon arrival) was, as I said, just an information tidbit.

The above guy has no relevance where the topic here is concerned (migrants being paid to scram and, as was subsequently raised, the possibility of their return under a different identity).
 
Chagos said:
I quite agree.

Not just a mix-up but classical case of a botch job.

Nevertheless, what I offered up on Moroccans being finger-printed both at home (prior to leaving there) and in Germany (now upon arrival) was, as I said, just an information tidbit.

The above guy has no relevance where the topic here is concerned (migrants being paid to scram and, as was subsequently raised, the possibility of their return under a different identity).
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Just sharing another example of the EU's blunder in collecting millions of migrants who can't be identified.

"According to EU rules, only the fingerprints of migrants who apply for asylum are shared among the member countries, which basically means that privacy concerns don’t allow the use of the vast majority of migrants’ fingerprints taken.

Austria, which saw 700,000 refugees crossing its borders last year, says it is not legally allowed to save and share with other European states more than 90% of the fingerprint data it takes of migrants fleeing war and poverty, a potential security problem at a major migrant hub.

“That is a major problem, we have no records on these people, there are so many moving around the bloc and we have no trace of them whatsoever,” said one diplomat in Brussels, adding that some EU countries have tried to push for changes but they were blocked due to privacy protection concerns."
https://www.euractiv.com/section/gl...ules-prevent-sharing-of-refugee-fingerprints/
 
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