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Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone[W:18]

Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

Did you know your choice of the word "Moslems" is actually derogatory to Muslims?
Not surprising seeing how its pronunciation (the English way) of "Mawzlem" has a completely different meaning in Arabic.
 
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Do you have proof of that?
Read the original article, even if it from Expressen.

It is linked to in the Daily Fail's article which is in turn linked to in the OP.

Uh..................it's in Swedish but Swedish papers do have that annoying tendency.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

Ah so the issue is with the editors headline. :shrug:
Sure.

If the subsequent article contradicts a claim made there, you wouldn't see that as an issue?
 
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Sure.

If the subsequent article contradicts a claim made there, you wouldn't see that as an issue?

Not really - if anything the media needs to spice things up at the headlines to sell copy. NYT does it, everybody does it.
 
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..........a verdict one can safely extend to Expressen.

You do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about. Expressen is an ultra PC paper with a long record of pro-immigration and pro immigrant articles. It is a bitter enemy of the one Swedish party that opposes continued mass immigration, SverigeDemokrarterna - the Swedish Democrats.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

Not really - if anything the media needs to spice things up at the headlines to sell copy. NYT does it, everybody does it.
Uh............ok.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

Being that that seems to be all right-wingers read... this thread being a great example of that... then yes, that headline is propogating fake news. And again, you guys ate it up like a pizza-shop child sex-ring.

Isn't it wonderful that there are so many wannabe experts on Sweden here. You and Deuce just imagine we Swedes are waiting for you to tell us all about our country.

I actually live here, though not - thank God! - in Göterborg. Nothing fake about this news. The only surprise is that Expressen stepped away from their usual editorial line to print it.
 
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You do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about. Expressen is an ultra PC paper with a long record of pro-immigration and pro immigrant articles.
Does still sticking to its history of times long past signify that you've been meanwhile living in limbo some place?
It is a bitter enemy of the one Swedish party that opposes continued mass immigration, SverigeDemokrarterna - the Swedish Democrats.
that it isand in relation to them can be called "centrist"

No idea though how Expressens's faux pas (in one of its columns last year) of calling political opponents rats and advocating their extermination by poison shows it to be ultra PC.

Last I heard, that's not considered PC in Sweden at all.
 
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Does still sticking to its history of times long past signify that you've been meanwhile living in limbo some place? that it isand in relation to them can be called "centrist"

No idea though how Expressens's faux pas (in one of its columns last year) of calling political opponents rats and advocating their extermination by poison shows it to be ultra PC.

Last I heard, that's not considered PC in Sweden at all.

Not so: the last you heard was from me. You are wading around in a mire of ignorance.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

Good.

Like with anything else, behavior doesn't change until it hits people in the pocketbook.

An economic slump due to the irresponsible decisions of Sweden's leadership in allowing scum to flow unchecked into their country is the best thing that could happen.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

Attacking the source not the problem, same old.

And the source is of course a Swedish newspaper.

You may have seen that the story quotes a policeman named Sörensson. He says that he is continually confronted by 'teens' who look like they are 35. This is because arriving migrants typically lie about their names, their countries of origin and, crucially in this context, their date of birth.

There are considerable advantages in being accepted as a 'child asylum seeker' and lying is risk free. The authorities will make no effort to check on the truth of your claim. Which is why Sweden has more 'alone coming refugee children' than the entire rest of Europe put together.

Not least of these advantages is being able to commit crimes with near impunity.
 
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Isn't it wonderful that there are so many wannabe experts on Sweden here. You and Deuce just imagine we Swedes are waiting for you to tell us all about our country.
Aw shucks. You only find the wannabee experts acceptable that agree with you (as ignorant of Sweden as they may be like everybody else)?

Seeing your propensity of spouting forth on any country in Europe that you're probably as ignorant over as they are, I guess it's a completely different matter when others do it to you (however accurate they are or not).
I actually live here, though not - thank God! - in Göterborg. Nothing fake about this news. The only surprise is that Expressen stepped away from their usual editorial line to print it.
On the principle of there usually being a fire where smoke can be seen, I'm not inclined to dismiss the article wholesale.

What I'm inclined to dismiss though is the currently popular narrative coming from cross-pond realms of ignorance (be it over Sweden or Europe as a whole) that the whole of the continent (or Sweden in particular) is on the brink of doom.

And I'll extend that dismissal to you, should you choose to share into that narrative (whether you live there or not).

Much as I dismiss a French guy's (or girl's, don't really know) asinine rantings here on his or her supposed home country and extend that dismissal to the FN there, UKIP in UK and Germany's AfD.

Spain's right wing nationalists being sufficiently insignificant to not merit much address.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

Not surprising seeing how its pronunciation (the English way) of "Mawzlem" has a completely different meaning in Arabic.

We are talking about spelling, not pronunciation.
 
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Not so: the last you heard was from me.
I don't put much trust in your assessments where credibility is concerned, so I'm particular as to who I hear things from.

Revealing though, how you skirt around the addressed incident, let alone Expressen's journey to centre (some say centre-right).
You are wading around in a mire of ignorance.
Wouldn't that be nice if wishes were horses? You could actually ride around instead of flailing around.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

We are talking about spelling, not pronunciation.
Well, I am talking about how it sounds to Arab speakers and your apparent inability to grasp that significance is really not the issue here. What you wish to talk about is your own affair of course, even where your attempts to be speaking in the pluralis majestatis are perhaps amusing.

However, we are not amused.:2razz:

At least, I'd wager, not all of us and certainly not all of us at silly deflections as meaningless as they are asinine.
 
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Well, I am talking about how it sounds to Arab speakers and your inability to grasp that significance is really no surprise. What you wish to talk about is your own affair of course, even where your attempts to be speaking in the pluralis majestatis are perhaps amusing.

However, we are not amused.:2razz:

At least, I'd wager, not all of us and certainly not all of us at silly deflections as meaningless as they are asinine.

I wasn't talking about Arabs.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

I wasn't talking about Arabs.
neither was I, least not exclusively.

But I should have referred to speakers of Arabic, not Arab speakers. That was not precise.

And before you come back with some silly retort about you not having been speaking about those either, I don't give a damn about it.

If you don't care to know what "Mawzlem" signifies to a speaker of Arabic and prefer to remain ignorant over its conveyed meaning, that's ok.

And with that I'm done with this stupid exchange.
 
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neither was I, least not exclusively.

But I should have referred to speakers of Arabic, not Arab speakers. That was not precise.

And before you come back with some silly retort about you not having been speaking about those either, I don't give a damn about it.

If you don't care to know what "Mawzlem" signifies to a speaker of Arabic and prefer to remain ignorant over its conveyed meaning, that's ok.

And with that I'm done with this stupid exchange.

I said the spelling of the word was considered derogatory. Any embellishment is on you.
 
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#42, last sentence.
 
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Lastly, there are not any no-go zones in Sweden.


For one film crew, it appears as if there are no go zones in Sweden. They even approach police to ask for an escort, but are told that police presence is too 'provocative' in this area of mostly Somalian migrants.




Can you perhaps see why 'legitimate' journalists wouldn't want to report on such hostile areas of Sweden, when this film crew appears to be attacked just for filming?
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

For one film crew, it appears as if there are no go zones in Sweden. They even approach police to ask for an escort, but are told that police presence is too 'provocative' in this area of mostly Somalian migrants.




Can you perhaps see why 'legitimate' journalists wouldn't want to report on such hostile areas of Sweden, when this film crew appears to be attacked just for filming?
No go zones, at least in the popular manner in which the term is applied today, represent lawless areas where no forces of order dare venture.

There's nothing excusable in the behavior (of attackers) shown ad I have no tolerance for it whatsoever, to imply however that they were representative of every immigrant living in that location is as disingenuous as implying that those depicted as friendly and polite (in coverage just prior to that which depicts the attack) became those very attackers the minute the police left.

You can currently get that same experience BTW if you drive thru certain suburbs of Athens where those most hit by the economic meltdown dwell. I've seen coverage of a TV team (cameraman and reporter) that were merely driving thru in a taxi, having their taxi pelted with all sorts of "missiles" the minute one of the inhabitants there saw the camera.

Not by immigrants but by native Greeks.

I've been to real no go zones in other parts of the world and their social hotspot nature had nothing to do with immigrants at all.

They'd make the depicted scene a walk in the park.

So should you ever be unwise enough to venture into some of the favelas in Rio, don't take a camera to signify your intention of ogling the poverty. You may still get clobbered anyway but your chances of not being rise, even if only slightly.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

No go zones, at least in the popular manner in which the term is applied today, represent lawless areas where no forces of order dare venture.

Not necessarily. The term can be used to describe an area where either outsiders or authority figures try to avoid at all cost. There's an area of my town that I've heard police call a 'no man's land', same concept.

There's nothing excusable in the behavior (of attackers) shown ad I have no tolerance for it whatsoever, to imply however that they were representative of every immigrant living in that location is as disingenuous as implying that those depicted as friendly and polite (in coverage just prior to that which depicts the attack) became those very attackers the minute the police left.

True, and those people who tried to intervene and help should be applauded. However, it's pretty plain at this point that Swedish culture and African culture are very different. Unless Sweden wishes to devolve into violence like my home country has, they'd better start planning a path that recognizes this.

You can currently get that same experience BTW if you drive thru certain suburbs of Athens where those most hit by the economic meltdown dwell. I've seen coverage of a TV team (cameraman and reporter) that were merely driving thru in a taxi, having their taxi pelted with all sorts of "missiles" the minute one of the inhabitants there saw the camera.

I can get my ass beat any day of the week, no need to travel to Athens :lamo A 15 minute drive to the west side of town will put one in that 'no man's land' I spoke of earlier.

I've been to real no go zones in other parts of the world and their social hotspot nature had nothing to do with immigrants at all.

They'd make the depicted scene a walk in the park.

So should you ever be unwise enough to venture into some of the favelas in Rio, don't take a camera to signify your intention of ogling the poverty. You may still get clobbered anyway but your chances of not being rise, even if only slightly.

You've been to the favelas of Rio? What were you doing there if so? Sounds interesting.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

Not necessarily. The term can be used to describe an area where either outsiders or authority figures try to avoid at all cost. There's an area of my town that I've heard police call a 'no man's land', same concept.
Ha, I've got a sign at the gate that says "never mind about the dog, it's the owner that's the menace" :mrgreen:
True, and those people who tried to intervene and help should be applauded. However, it's pretty plain at this point that Swedish culture and African culture are very different. Unless Sweden wishes to devolve into violence like my home country has, they'd better start planning a path that recognizes this.
Indeed it would be absurd to claim that respective cultures of Swedes and Somalis have much in common. Or Swedes and any other culture from a different continent. Just as it would be absurd to expect any sort of coexistence likely to succeed, if it is cemented perpetually in ghetto-ization of one or both groups.

Integration is required (not assimilation) and that requires willingness on both sides. In the case of refugees having arrived from countries that have been declared as safe (not war zones), immigrants from there are considered to be economic tourists with the likelihood of their application for asylum succeeding being very remote. Where the "processing" towards the final status of these people is sluggish in every European country, they spend considerable time living under the Damocles sword of eventual deportation. That this makes a bunch of them antagonistic doesn't come as much of a surprise. It isn't any excuse either.

Everybody has meanwhile "closed the shop BTW", even Germany. That the latter "opened the borders" is a widely misunderstood concept anyway. That action (actually not closing them since they were open to other EU countries anyway) was due to the atrocious conditions that were to be seen in Hungary at the time. Where the authorities did absolutely nothing about registering and processing as would have been their duty (not to mention even feeding anybody). Partly for reasons of xenophobia but also out of being totally over-challenged. Causing Germany to ease the pressure by opening a valve. With Sweden co-operating.

The reaction that followed was under-estimated and by the time realization dawned, there was no way of closing the valve anymore.

A similar effect, albeit not yet as desperate, can be seen today in Greece and Italy (once again). With seaboards as extended as those of both, they can't be completely secured. Both Italy and Greece being thus left largely in the lurch with the EU as a whole doing bugger all to help, as always was the case before 2015. The pressure of 2015 resulted from the escalation in Syria as much as from the explosion of camps already existing in Jordan and Lebanon, where the UN had had to turn off funds on account of having run out. That on account of payments having been cut by nations, those of the EU included.

Classical case of "what goes round, comes round".
I can get my ass beat any day of the week, no need to travel to Athens :lamo A 15 minute drive to the west side of town will put one in that 'no man's land' I spoke of earlier.
Although it will take you more than 15 minutes, just ring the bell on my front gate (see above) and you can get a whoopin' here.:mrgreen:

Just kidding, if you'd taken all that time and trouble, I'd offer you at least a beer.;)
You've been to the favelas of Rio? What were you doing there if so? Sounds interesting.
One of them and one that (in local jargon) was considered pacified (purified would be more apt). Business friend that obviously knew the ropes took me just to demonstrate what it looked like.

There are others still totally in the hands of armed gangs where the police venture only occasionally. Usually to kill anyone that has survived the gang wars.

It's totally eerie, enjoying the better parts of the city (or the beaches) and knowing that not so far away lies Comancheria.
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

For one film crew, it appears as if there are no go zones in Sweden. They even approach police to ask for an escort, but are told that police presence is too 'provocative' in this area of mostly Somalian migrants.






Can you perhaps see why 'legitimate' journalists wouldn't want to report on such hostile areas of Sweden, when this film crew appears to be attacked just for filming?


"Pipes now says he was mistaken. In 2013, after traveling to several listed Paris neighborhoods and mainly immigrant and Muslim areas of five other European cities, he wrote: "For a visiting American, these areas are very mild, even dull. We who know the Bronx and Detroit expect urban hell in Europe, too, but there things look fine … hardly beautiful, but buildings are intact, greenery abounds, and order prevails. … Having this first-hand experience, I regret having called these areas no-go zones," he wrote.

In an e-mail to Bloomberg Businessweek today, Pipes says that a no-go zone "is a place where the government has lost control and cannot enforce the rule of law." There are, he now says, "no European countries with no-go"

"That's pretty funny," says Hait Abbas, a non-practicing Muslim who runs a wine shop in a Paris neighborhood among those identified by Peterson as a no-go zone. Far from being Muslim-dominated, the neighborhood near the Gare du Nord train station bustles with Italian delis, African hair-braiding shops, and Chinese massage parlors. If it's governed by Islamic law, Abbas says, "I guess I better cut my hand off."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-14/debunking-the-muslim-nogo-zone-myth
 
Re: Sweden's leading shopping mall is deemed a no-go zone

If this shopping mall was a no go zone then how come there are pictures of people and the police in such a "no go zone"?

It is a clear hatchet job and poor journalism by RT, Daily Mail and the Daily Express. I happen to be Danish and can read Swedish pretty well and there is no comparison to the accusations made by the RT, Daily Mail and Daily Express to what actually is in the article.

The Swedish article is basically saying that this mall is attracting "refugees" who steal and pickpocket, and that is causing insecurities among the locals. Wow, big news... mind blowing! Poverty leads to increased petty theft...
 
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