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We will make Europe great again [W:40]

coldjoint said:
I do not like bogus claims. Your claim remains unproven. End of story.
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My opinion is noted, Wilders is a nut. My claim is correct, you have linked to a white supremacy website. And, you have never ever traveled to Europe, but you think you are an expert.

Too damned hilarious.
 
beefheart said:
My opinion is noted, Wilders is a nut. My claim is correct, you have linked to a white supremacy website. And, you have never ever traveled to Europe, but you think you are an expert.

Too damned hilarious.
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Can you prove it is White supremacist? Then you can tell me what this has to do with race. Islam is not a race, and no one is objecting to colors but beliefs and the imposition of those beliefs.
 
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A popular leader of the bunch of nuts who organized that, Björn Höcke, recently in a speech said that it is a shame to have a Memorial for the 6 Million killed Jews in our Capital. He said Memorials should be build for German soldiers only, who died in WW2

The mask fell, big parts of the AFD really have opinions wich should be sorted to Nazism.

So if you like this "Europe great again" crap - are you indeed a Nazi?
 
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coldjoint said:
It is catching.
- We will make Europe great again
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The entire group of those cited are politician Right-wing dorks who cannot abide the fact that their country is just a state amongst 28 others. In fact, the nations in question have been reduced to "state-level" in an American fashion. And so what?, I ask.

All the European states benefit from a market-economy that is 735 million consumers strong, which is more than twice that of the US. Meaning the potential-GDP is as great if not greater than the US presently (according to the "usual metrics", 2016 numbers):
*GDP per capita - EU= $35079.15, US = $51638.10 (68% more than EU)
*Total GDP (PPP) - EU = $19.8T, US = $18.6T (6% less than EU)

The more important of the two above numbers is clearly GDP per capita because the Total GDP numbers are dissimilar greatly due to the fact that the EU population is one quarter larger than the US. So, ultimately EU consumer-spending potential is also larger, though not at present.

The European Right are quite wrong to all want to return into their rabbit-holes of singular national complexion. (Great Britain will learn that sorry lesson quick enough.)

The economic benefits of each single nation are due intimately to the benefits of the whole Common Market (as was at first called the EU many years ago). The present problem is that the EU is still climbing out of an imported Great Recession in exactly the same manner as did the US - very slowly.

But both economies not for the same reason! Whazzat?

In the US after 2010, the HofR Replicants refused any Stimulus Spending (even though the US could have afforded it) out of one perverted reason. It wanted to maintain high unemployment to unseat Obama in the 2012 elections.

In Europe, the reason was obviously different. The countries had accumulated mountains of debt in borrowing to maintain employment, which obviously did not work. (EU unemployment today is still 8.5%, about 4 percentage points larger than the US.) So stimulus-spending died quickly when the European Central Bank (ECB) stopped bankrolling separate countries. In fact, it was with German-euros that the bankrolling was done by the ECB, and Merkel decided that certain southern-Europe countries needed an "economic shock" to get their profligate spending habits fixed.

The EU will be made "great again" when unemployment drops another 2%, but for that to happen the EU country-consumers must start consuming once again. That is always a much slower economic-process than "pennies from heaven" (meaning ECB stimulus-spending).

As I never tire of saying - When it comes to lack of consumption in an economy, to find the culprit we need only all look in a mirror ...
 
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Lafayette said:
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We have same opinions in a lot of topics, but in no way in buisness politics

- your mantra is the consumer has to consume more - that perverts our perverse world of manufactioring and consuming things we don´t need and destroying our earth and sqandering her resources along the way, even more.
 
german hick said:
A popular leader of the bunch of nuts who organized that, Björn Höcke, recently in a speech said that it is a shame to have a Memorial for the 6 Million killed Jews in our Capital. He said Memorials should be build for German soldiers only, who died in WW2

The mask fell, big parts of the AFD really have opinions wich should be sorted to Nazism.

So if you like this "Europe great again" crap - are you indeed a Nazi?
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The very telling aspect in this case is (as already mentioned earlier) that attempts to expel Höcke from the party failed on account of his large supporter base (those sharing his views) blocking it.

That tells us much on how the power in the AfD is distributed, making it pretty much Nazi (if such confirmation was ever at all needed).
 
german hick said:
We have same opinions in a lot of topics, but in no way in buisness politics

- your mantra is the consumer has to consume more - that perverts our perverse world of manufactioring and consuming things we don´t need and destroying our earth and sqandering her resources along the way, even more.
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What do you mean by "perverts"? Be specific ...

It's no mantra - when you have high unemployment as we do in Europe, if you want to put people back to work, then in a market-economy consumers must consume. What and how they consume is an altogether different problem on a higher plain of consideration. I'm not saying it is impossible to tell people how they should consume, just extremely difficult.

It is not for any one person or government to decide what is meant by "consuming things we don't need". Whilst I can agree with you that there is a lot of that going around, any in truly free-society it is for no one person or group to decide what we should buy and how much. Of the market makes that decision for us. (I'd really like a Lamborghini to impress my neighbors but I wont be buying one any time soon! ;^)

As for squandering the earth's resources, that too has no "qualifier". We humans are certainly exploiting more of it than is necessary. But, there also is no "magic formula" as to how much is too much. The planet will not be able to supply all things to all people, so sooner or later "sumthins gotta give" - then we move onto another planet. And we begin to ruin that one as well.

But, all that is in very distant future far beyond our present concerns. Getting enough for the lot of human beings that exists today is worrisome enough. We need some control on population, which is getting too far out of hand.

But that does not seem to glean much interest internationally ...
 
Chagos said:
The very telling aspect in this case is (as already mentioned earlier) that attempts to expel Höcke from the party failed on account of his large supporter base (those sharing his views) blocking it.

That tells us much on how the power in the AfD is distributed, making it pretty much Nazi (if such confirmation was ever at all needed).
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some have the opinion it is strategy https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/afd-strategiepapier-101.html

@Lafayette: my personal opinion is that mankind has only a chance if we learn modesty. This more, higher, more efficient (I´m German ;) ) will kill us in the end
 
german hick said:
some have the opinion it is strategy https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/afd-strategiepapier-101.html
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Oh sure. But where that assessment deals with AfD's strategy of "provocation at all costs", leaving no field untouched and demonstrating that political non-correctness is a new value, what this recent fracas hides is that it's all much more about an internal power struggle between the extreme radicals and the not so extreme radicals (the latter would label themselves moderate).

Meuthen and Petry are actually begrudging each other whatever position the other holds, both of them wanting the whole power for themselves.

To those within, the distinctions in lean might be of some significance, to anyone with even half a brain it's simply just a duel between the Devil and Satan.
 
german hick said:
some have the opinion it is strategy https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/afd-strategiepapier-101.html

@Lafayette: my personal opinion is that mankind has only a chance if we learn modesty. This more, higher, more efficient (I´m German ;) ) will kill us in the end
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I don't subscribe to any "we are better" doctrine embedding itself in Germany.

This younger generation, now in charge, has learned its lesson from the consequences of Nazi Germany ...
 
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