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Sweden refuses to provide statistics over crime by immigrants[W:86]

This is a stupid thread idea. Very few governments keep stats by race or status and this is from way before the refugee crisis of last year.

"refuses" to provide statistics is the most moronic but of hyperbole I've seen out of you in minutes.

Doesn't your own government collect such data?

The relationship between race and crime in the United Kingdom is the subject of academic studies, government surveys, media coverage, and public concern. Under the Criminal Justice Act 1991, section 95, the government collects annual statistics based on race and crime.
 
Doesn't your own government collect such data?

And?

I said "very few governments." Just because a particular govt had chosen not to collect particular statistics does not equate that govt refusing to provide statistics which is the claim of this foolish thread.
 
Have you accounted for wealth, income, and gender? By your logic, since it's almost certainly males who are committing nearly all the rapes, maybe we need to keep closer tabs on the males?
Maybe we also (as I mentioned before somewhere) need to keep tabs on the changes of Swedish laws on sexual crimes in the last years. As such the definition has been considerably widened to include acts and behaviors that fell off the grid before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

If Julian Assange, as a prominent example, had refused to use a contraceptive 5 years earlier (despite the alleged victims' demand that he do so), he'd probably not be holed up in some embassy in London now. To cite just that case.

Doesn't mean I disapprove of the current Swedish interpretations, on the contrary I think they're a good idea.

As your above answer already indicates, anyone can take two statistics on basically unrelated issues and conflate them into something that ignores ANY additional parameters that might be relevant to whatever "bingo, heureka" case one desires to arrive at.

I suspect that post you were responding to to have been originally directed at me, just didn't read it. Interesting the opening thesis over how one can "conflate" evidence with proof and all of that disingenuously :mrgreen::mrgreen:

So thanks for showing it in your quote, got me a good laugh.;)

Beyond all of which, as long as the Swedish government does not release data (any data) that actually allows for making correlations between immigration and rape, trying to distil causation out of just two statistics provides the real case of conflation.
 
<---------------------------which is the claim of this foolish thread.
apart from which, we all know that lamenting the reluctance of the Swedish government on publishing figures was really not the primary pursuit here anyway.

The joke (on the OP) however lying in how the initial claim (true enough) prevented that pursuit from the outset.

Classical case of suiciding a thread right from the beginning.
 
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I suspect that post you were responding to to have been originally directed at me, just didn't read it. Interesting the opening thesis over how one can "conflate" evidence with proof and all of that disingenuously :mrgreen::mrgreen:[
So thanks for showing it in your quote, got me a good laugh.;)


Beyond all of which, as long as the Swedish government does not release data (any data) that actually allows for making correlations between immigration and rape,....
That would be
1. UNanswered.
2. Wrong again.
(2) being the fact we DO have the total Rape numbers as well as the total Immigration numbers, and of course, they Correlate.
Again, and as your friend conceded, Rape doesn't Triple in 10 Years because of "wealth, income, gender."
See my charts on last page.
3. In addition, the cities worst hit by Rape and other Crime, have the highest immigrant populations: Malmo, Oslo, (Paris), etc, and even the Local immigrant neighborhoods within them.
 
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If that statistic is available they should make it public if that is the norm in Sweden.
...............and one can certainly argue over whether it should be made the norm (or not), but as anyone can see, that doesn't appear to be the purpose of this thread.
 
Maybe we also (as I mentioned before somewhere) need to keep tabs on the changes of Swedish laws on sexual crimes in the last years. As such the definition has been considerably widened to include acts and behaviors that fell off the grid before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

Whoa. That's big. And it really undermines the Islamophobic case.

If Julian Assange, as a prominent example, had refused to use a contraceptive 5 years earlier (despite the alleged victims' demand that he do so), he'd probably not be holed up in some embassy in London now. To cite just that case.

Doesn't mean I disapprove of the current Swedish interpretations, on the contrary I think they're a good idea.

As your above answer already indicates, anyone can take two statistics on basically unrelated issues and conflate them into something that ignores ANY additional parameters that might be relevant to whatever "bingo, heureka" case one desires to arrive at.

I suspect that post you were responding to to have been originally directed at me, just didn't read it. Interesting the opening thesis over how one can "conflate" evidence with proof and all of that disingenuously :mrgreen::mrgreen:

So thanks for showing it in your quote, got me a good laugh.;)

Beyond all of which, as long as the Swedish government does not release data (any data) that actually allows for making correlations between immigration and rape, trying to distil causation out of just two statistics provides the real case of conflation.

That's just it--the Islamophobes want to invent their own facts. Er, "alternative facts."
 
And?

I said "very few governments." Just because a particular govt had chosen not to collect particular statistics does not equate that govt refusing to provide statistics which is the claim of this foolish thread.

Do you believe that the native population of a country has a right to know what influence foreigners are having in their country?

Nigeria has seen many low skilled migrant laborers flock there for jobs. Reports of sexual abuse by Chinese migrants have occurred, and the native Nigerians are rightfully upset about this. Should the Nigerian government address this or attempt to cover it up?
 
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The OP's article is from speisa.com, which is identified as a fake news site. It recently published an article about Saudi Arabia, in which it asserted that the fatwa issued by the Grand Mufti allowed Saudi husbands to eat their wives in extreme conditions.
.......and it should be added that, even where it's pretty obvious, that particular story was a load of bumpf.

As regards "the other" thread that was also hung up on the same source of ill repute (Speisa being linked to in the OP there as well), for sake of convenience pasting a reply from there direct as follows:
Another truth is that SPEISA (linked to in the OP) is simply just another blog. One that didn't deem its credibility at all compromised by publishing an article over how the Germanwings pilot that flew himself and 149 others into the hillside of the French Alps, had just previously converted to Islam.

Speisa didn't originate it, just published it and included a link to the right wing conspiracy nut's website who had cooked this whole thing up.

Kind of raises the question of why we have to deal with stuff like that at all.
 
.......and it should be added that, even where it's pretty obvious, that particular story was a load of bumpf.
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The SAME "load of bumpf" next door... Of course/as one would expect.
In addition to my Graphs of correlation, and correlation of Cities, even Neighborhoods with more immigrants, having more Crime..
We do have Norway/Oslo... next door with a similar mix, if not the higher immigrant density of Sweden...
and we DO have official Stats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Norway

A 2011...report, the data for 2009 shows that first-generation immigrants from Africa were 3x more likely than ethnic Norwegians... to be convicted of a felony while Somali immigrants in particular being 4.4x more likely to be convicted of a felony than an ethnic Norwegian was. Similarly, Iraqis and Pakistanis were found to have rates of conviction for felonies greater than ethnic Norwegians by a factor of 3 and 2.6 respectively. Another finding.. Second-Generation African and Asian immigrants had a Higher rate of Convictions for felonies than first-generation immigrants... over 60%. For Asian immigrants an Increase from 9.3 per 1,000 to 17.1 per 1,000 was observed...

In 2010, a spokesperson for the Oslo Police Department stated that Every case of assault rapes in Oslo in the years 2007, 2008 and 2009 was committed by a non-Western immigrant.... A 2011 report by the Oslo Police District shows that of the 131 individuals charged with the 152 rapes in which the perpetrator could be identified, 45.8% were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin while 54.2% were of Norwegian, other European or American origin. In the cases of "assault rape", i.e. rape aggravated by physical violence, a category that included 6 of the 152 cases and 5 of the 131 identified individuals, the 5 identified individuals were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin..."​

Some breathtaking numbers above, and...
3-4x Higher for First Generation is bad enough. That going up 50%-100% in the Second Generation is epic failure of the policy.
 
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