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Brexit Article 50 plans could be delayed by months

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Brexit: Theresa May's Article 50 plans could be delayed by months due to Stormont crisis legal challenge | The Independent

[FONT=&quot]Theresa May’s plans to trigger Article 50 could be delayed by months because enacting Brexit while Northern Ireland’s Assembly is in crisis may be illegal, The Independent has learned.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Power-sharing collapsed in the region earlier this week, meaning a snap election for Stormont is imminent.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]An election is expected to last for at least two months, during which time the Northern Ireland Assembly will be unable to sit and approve decisions.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]As a result, the Prime Minister may be unable to trigger Article 50 – the formal mechanism by which a country begins to leave the European Union – as she will be unable to get approval from Stormont, thereby delaying her Brexit plans even further.
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Andalublue said:
I read recently that she would fail to get approval from either Stormont or Holyrood anyway. I'm not sure what difference this will make.
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Maybe, but this really throws a wrench into the system. We shall see.
 
Stormont and Holyrood would do well to remember they are subservient to Westminster. They're only allowed to go outside and play a little bit.
 
Eanto said:
Stormont and Holyrood would do well to remember they are subservient to Westminster. They're only allowed to go outside and play a little bit.
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And you'd do well to educate yourself to the point of actually knowing what you're talking about.

It's obviously escaped your attention that any conditions under which Brexit will be effected (not whether it will be effected) are going to be put to parliamentary vote first.

And while you're engaged in that task of addressing your obvious ignorance, you might want to read the opening post of this thread again. So that you may understand what is actually addressed and thus avoid nonsensical comments like your above.
 
Andalublue said:
I read recently that she would fail to get approval from either Stormont or Holyrood anyway. I'm not sure what difference this will make.
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Legally it doesnt

Sorry, folks, but Scotland and Northern Ireland CAN'T block Brexit | Metro News

But in practical terms it should.

I don´t see why we can´t reach a situation where Scotland (or at least Northern Ireland) remains in the EU but the rest of the EU doesn´t. This allready works in reverse in that Greenland has left the EU despite "belonging" to Denmark, so I don´t see why this couldn´t happen the other way round. Nauturally the issue of free movement could be problematic as far as Scotland is concerned (1) but as far as Northern Ireland is concerned they could simply introduce passport control between NI and the rest of the UK.

Naturally Unionists would kick up a fuss but this is no different to how you would need a passport to go to Gibraltar , The Falklands, Pitcarin etc.

(1) That said different states of Canada have their own immigration systems and this seems to work somehow.
 
Red_Dave said:
Legally it doesnt

Sorry, folks, but Scotland and Northern Ireland CAN'T block Brexit | Metro News

But in practical terms it should.

I don´t see why we can´t reach a situation where Scotland (or at least Northern Ireland) remains in the EU but the rest of the EU doesn´t. This allready works in reverse in that Greenland has left the EU despite "belonging" to Denmark, so I don´t see why this couldn´t happen the other way round. Nauturally the issue of free movement could be problematic as far as Scotland is concerned (1) but as far as Northern Ireland is concerned they could simply introduce passport control between NI and the rest of the UK.

Naturally Unionists would kick up a fuss but this is no different to how you would need a passport to go to Gibraltar , The Falklands, Pitcarin etc.

(1) That said different states of Canada have their own immigration systems and this seems to work somehow.
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Provinces and it only works until people become citizens or permanent residents, at which point they can leave to live in other provinces
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Provinces and it only works until people become citizens or permanent residents, at which point they can leave to live in other provinces
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So do many end up changing provinces prematurely/illegally? And just out of curiosity, why have distinct systems if the result is the same in the long run?
 
Red_Dave said:
So do many end up changing provinces prematurely/illegally? And just out of curiosity, why have distinct systems if the result is the same in the long run?
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Probably not a lot as their status will be negatively effected.

The different system is primarily for Quebec as a means to maintain the French language
 
It seems a cross-party group of 50 MP's have grown a spine.
 
And if the Scots get annoyed too much they might get out of the UK in order for them to stay in the EU.
 
joG said:
I would think the Brits more intelligent than to trigger Article 50 until it becomes clear, how the Eu will develop. It is. Lear that it must be reshapened. Whether the U.K. Leaves or stays, it would be crazy to leave before that process is over. We had touched on this before.
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IIRC if art 50 is activated, then the deal making begins. Must finish in 2 years. There is no vote required after - if Parliament activates art 50 then and only then do negotiation begin, then the deal is whatever is negotiated. Basically the deal is the deal, and no going back to revoking art 50. The UK will be stuck with whatever deal is negotiated.
Banks are already transferring employees out of London. Other companies that have substantial deals- exports in the EU will follow suit.
Instead of using the vote, along with the rising upset within the EU against the EU to change it, they may end up at the losing end.
My opinion- a dumb decision to exit the EU.
Fix it- do not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
JANFU said:
IIRC if art 50 is activated, then the deal making begins. Must finish in 2 years. There is no vote required after - if Parliament activates art 50 then and only then do negotiation begin, then the deal is whatever is negotiated. Basically the deal is the deal, and no going back to revoking art 50. The UK will be stuck with whatever deal is negotiated.
Banks are already transferring employees out of London. Other companies that have substantial deals- exports in the EU will follow suit.
Instead of using the vote, along with the rising upset within the EU against the EU to change it, they may end up at the losing end.
My opinion- a dumb decision to exit the EU.
Fix it- do not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Barclays is talking about moving to Dublin. Personally I´m not sure what this has to do with being in the single markey vs leaving it. Surely that has more to do with moving goods than moving money?
 
Red_Dave said:
Barclays is talking about moving to Dublin. Personally I´m not sure what this has to do with being in the single markey vs leaving it. Surely that has more to do with moving goods than moving money?
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London will lose its claim to be a financial capital. Moving to an EU country enables easy flow of workers from one to the other.
 
JANFU said:
London will lose its claim to be a financial capital. Moving to an EU country enables easy flow of workers from one to the other.
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London´s claim to be a financial capital has little to do with imports or exports anyhow.
 
Red_Dave said:
Barclays is talking about moving to Dublin. Personally I´m not sure what this has to do with being in the single markey vs leaving it. Surely that has more to do with moving goods than moving money?
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I'd assume it to have more to do with (banking) licence free access to the EU. Without being licensed (as being within EU), providing financial services as before becomes, to say the least, more difficult.
 
Chagos said:
I'd assume it to have more to do with (banking) licence free access to the EU. Without being licensed (as being within EU), providing financial services as before becomes, to say the least, more difficult.
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Yeah that makes sence. Though why has this not been done to Andorra and the like?
 
Red_Dave said:
Yeah that makes sence. Though why has this not been done to Andorra and the like?
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They're in a completely different position to, say, London. Their financial services do not entail being exported, on the contrary, people come to them.

Or used to before the crackdown on confidentiality that is the mark of any tax haven and supplier of clandestine accounts.

As to why they haven't been included in overall EU-wide banking licence system, they simply weren't deemed of sufficient importance for general financial transactions and overall business. On account of their minute size.

Otherwise Andorra, as the example you cite, has special agreements with the EU beyond this particular issue anyway. Such as a customs union and being allowed to use the Euro as its currency (even to the point of minting own coins).

There's also an agreement on taxation of savings, implemented once the EU put its boot on the throats of offshore financial centres (bit of a joke in this case) to conform to EU regulations.
 
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