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Re: France- 'This isn't Paris. It's only men here'-no-go Zones where Women aren't Wel
I can also agree that what constitutes being a "troublemaker" can be a case by case application. I would give the owner of a say, a small, owner occupied gay bar etc. a little more leeway in defining a "troublemaker" than I would the owner of a large, multi floored night club with twenty employees. This is because I think a small business is more an extension of the owner and thus he or she retains more of their right to free association.
Likewise, I would allow a little broader definition of "trouble maker" if the owner of a particular small business could show that the patrons of his establishment have been recently harassed and thus he or she is leery or "strangers".
What I cant support is a public accommodation being able to exclude people because they are simply deemed "not to belong". It does not matter who is doing the excluding or who is being excluded. Likewise, even with a little broader definition of "trouble maker", owners of gay bars or Islamic cafes cant operate under the policy of: "If I don't want you here, then you are a troublemaker".
No, you should not have. Churches, Mosques, Temples etc. are exempt the anti discrimination laws and such a suit would not have gone anywhere. Bars, however, are not exempt the anti discrimination laws.Each situation is to be taken on its merits. I wasn't allowed to see the inside of a Hindu temple in India because I'm not a Hindu. It's just not allowed, period. Should I have filed a discrimination claim?
I am in the USA. We have those exact same door policies. I have been denied entry to bars twice by bouncers because I was not dressed properly and once because I did not have a girl with me before a certain time. In the USA, these policies are legal because "guys wearing jeans and a T-shirt" are not a protected group. Likewise, "guys with no girl" are not a protected group either.I don't know where you are in the world, but in most European countries you don't have to be a private club to have a door policy.
There are countless examples. Ladies nights at swimming pools? Pensioner nights? Teenage nights? People are excluded on all sorts of grounds. You have to examine the reasons; Is this purely social and harmless? Acceptable. Is this for safety? Acceptable under certain circumstances. Is this done purely to discriminate out of hatred, unacceptable.
Ok, now you have changed from "Gay bars, and only gay bars, should be exempt the anti discrimination laws" to.... "Gay bars reserve the right to evict trouble makers". I am in full agreement with you in that the owners of gay bars can evict troublemakers. Of course, so can Orthodox Jewish and Muslim café owners.It's all about intention.
Orthodox Jew goes to gay bar coz he's thirsty - fine.
Gay goes to Orthodox Jewish café for a coffee - fine.
Orthodox Jew goes to gay bar to preach homophobia and hand out leaflets - not fine.
Gay goes to Orthodox Jewish café to hand out leaflets and wave a rainbow flag - while I sympathise with the sentiment, also not fine.
I can also agree that what constitutes being a "troublemaker" can be a case by case application. I would give the owner of a say, a small, owner occupied gay bar etc. a little more leeway in defining a "troublemaker" than I would the owner of a large, multi floored night club with twenty employees. This is because I think a small business is more an extension of the owner and thus he or she retains more of their right to free association.
Likewise, I would allow a little broader definition of "trouble maker" if the owner of a particular small business could show that the patrons of his establishment have been recently harassed and thus he or she is leery or "strangers".
What I cant support is a public accommodation being able to exclude people because they are simply deemed "not to belong". It does not matter who is doing the excluding or who is being excluded. Likewise, even with a little broader definition of "trouble maker", owners of gay bars or Islamic cafes cant operate under the policy of: "If I don't want you here, then you are a troublemaker".
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