France- 'This isn't Paris. It's only men here'-no-go Zones where Women aren't Welcome

truthatallcost · Jan 10, 2017

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PeteEU said:
Many dont.

Explain?

Yes, just like Muslim women.

When Amish girls turn 18, their parents allow them to try a secular life, to see if they'd prefer it. They can dress how they want, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, have sex, etc. If they choose to live secularly, they must live on their own, but can still visit the family.

Many Muslim women are killed for similar behavior.

Yes and some Muslim women choose to live under such conditions.

There's 25,000 Scientology members in the whole of the US anyway. Only half are women, so you're grasping for straws again Pete.

Yes so you say.. is it illegal to dress as they want in those neighbourhoods? No, hence your accusation is false.

Please don't misrepresent what I said. It is not legal to forbid a woman entry into a public business based on her gender.

When men are shaming a woman, and calling her slut for dressing in Western clothes, you tell me if she is being treated fairly here.

You do know that there are places in the world, dominated by certain religions, where women are also "banned" or harassed massively if they dont dress as it is expected.. right? Hell there are certain religious cults that demand not to sit next to women on planes and cause massive delays for other passengers.. funny how you dont complain about those eh?

Which religions and in which countries are you speaking of?

truthatallcost · Jan 10, 2017

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joG said:
I don't know about France. In London the club library was off limits to women and they were allowed into the sauma areas once a week. What it is now, I am not sure. The dining room had just been opened so you could be accompanied.

Hopefully Auvergnat can help us determine the laws in France when he comes back.

joG · Jan 10, 2017

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truthatallcost said:
Hopefully Auvergnat can help us determine the laws in France when he comes back.

Maybe you will like this. There are a number of such clubs in Germany a freind just told me. Mine accepts men and women equally.
Here is a gentlemen's club in Germany that seems to allow members to bring theur wives. It also mentions that it keeps contact with widows on members.

Münchener Herrenclub e.V: Informationen über den Münchener Herrenclub

joG · Jan 10, 2017

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PeteEU said:
LOL so it is okay if it was not religious based?

It is never "okay". But in a society that guarantees free practice of religion and protects that minority constitutionally, that is not really the question.

Manc Skipper · Jan 10, 2017

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PeteEU said:
Many dont.

Yes, just like Muslim women.

Yes and some Muslim women choose to live under such conditions.

Yes so you say.. is it illegal to dress as they want in those neighbourhoods? No, hence your accusation is false. You do know that there are places in the world, dominated by certain religions, where women are also "banned" or harassed massively if they dont dress as it is expected.. right? Hell there are certain religious cults that demand not to sit next to women on planes and cause massive delays for other passengers.. funny how you dont complain about those eh?

Places like this?

PeteEU · Jan 10, 2017

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joG said:
It is never "okay". But in a society that guarantees free practice of religion and protects that minority constitutionally, that is not really the question.

So you are for this behaviour?

RickJames3000 · Jan 10, 2017

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truthatallcost said:
Apparently there are entire neighborhoods in France where women must hide themselves away, just like in Saudi Arabia. I feel like women's rights end whenever they run up against old world cultures who refuse to accept modern day European social norms.

Thoughts?
Comments?

Yes. Agreed!
Just like in the American South and other Red States where a women's right to choose is constantly under assault.

PeteEU · Jan 10, 2017

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truthatallcost said:
Explain?

Not as bad as it use to be, but in very Catholic countries, some families still encourage their uneducated girls to join the Church.. to lessen their burden on the family. As I said in the beginning.. it use to be far far more common, but it does still happen.

When Amish girls turn 18, their parents allow them to try a secular life, to see if they'd prefer it. They can dress how they want, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, have sex, etc. If they choose to live secularly, they must live on their own, but can still visit the family.

Yes I know, and your point is? Dont you think there is a lot of pressure in the fact that they can either go whoring around (according to the Amish) and be basically excluded of the Amish society and family, or follow the Amish ways of utter subservience to men... for many that is a damn hard thing to contemplate regardless of the cult we are talking about. Humans are as a rule of thumb, very "tribal" and need family and friends and it is hard to give that up. That is why cults can be so succesful.

Many Muslim women are killed for similar behavior.

Yes and many Christian women are beaten and killed by their husbands. Does not mean all does it? I dont condone this behaviour at all, but you are using the backwards thinking of a small minority of people in France, to paint a very large brush of hatred on all Muslims in France and Europe.

Let me put it this way.. Catholics in Honduras are backwards relative to Catholics in Spain or Italy. Does that mean that all Catholics can be slammed for the backwards thinking of the Honduran people and government? No of course not. But that is what you are doing.

There's 25,000 Scientology members in the whole of the US anyway. Only half are women, so you're grasping for straws again Pete.

LOL there are far more, and they are getting more and more influential. It is part of their master plan. And so what if there are only so many Scientologists? Does dehumanising women only apply to Muslims these days?

Please don't misrepresent what I said. It is not legal to forbid a woman entry into a public business based on her gender.

That is EXACTLY what you said! You stated that these women are banned in no go zones, by publishing the OP article. This is not true. It is abusive husbands aka males, that prevent them from going out. How is that different from a Christian man doing this.. and yes they do exist! Does this mean all Christian men are abusive? no!

When men are shaming a woman, and calling her slut for dressing in Western clothes, you tell me if she is being treated fairly here.

You mean like Jews in New York, or cat calling in Chicago or London? Or other women calling women sluts for having too tight jeans on? Come on.. wake up and let go of your Muslim hatred..

Which religions and in which countries are you speaking of?

Google it. The fact that you dont know, shows how out of touch you are to similar abuses in other religions.

joG · Jan 10, 2017

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PeteEU said:
So you are for this behaviour?

Which behavior?

coldjoint · Jan 10, 2017

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PeteEU said:
LOL so it is okay if it was not religious based?

Of course it isn't. That is a really ****ty question. We can never stop crime, but we can certainly be aware of what motivates it. Islam is the inspiration for terror.

JANFU · Jan 10, 2017

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gunner said:
We're not discussing America here. The topic is based on attitudes in France.

Only when if fits some members agenda, if it does not, then the topic changes.

zyzygy · Jan 10, 2017

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Manc Skipper said:
Places like this?

The Shomrim organization of volunteer Jewish police told the Independent newspaper that the signs were put up in advance of a Torah procession in order to prevent men and women from coming into physical contact with each other.

“It is of course quite unacceptable to try to restrict women’s movements in a public place and council officers removed these posters as soon as it was reported to them,” Rosemary Sales, a city council member for Stamford Hill West, told the Independent.

UK ultra-Orthodox group tries to divide sexes on sidewalks | The Times of Israel

coldjoint · Jan 10, 2017

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Manc Skipper said:
TBH, all some people ever talk about here is America, whatever the topic. That and MOOZLUMS ARE COMING!

The fact that some see the problems in Europe, and want no part of it, is quite understandable. The UK is a wonderful example with beheadings in the street and abuse of its young women by Muslim gangs.

zyzygy · Jan 10, 2017

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coldjoint said:
The fact that some see the problems in Europe, and want no part of it, is quite understandable. The UK is a wonderful example with beheadings in the street and abuse of its young women by Muslim gangs.

Two nutcases killed a soldier. Hardly a spree of beheadings in the street. Exaggerate much? How many people were murdered in the USA last year?

coldjoint · Jan 10, 2017

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zyzygy said:
Two nutcases killed a soldier. Hardly a spree of beheadings in the street. Exaggerate much? How many people were murdered in the USA last year?

Two Islamists killed that soldier. What that religion inspires defies exaggeration.

zyzygy · Jan 10, 2017

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coldjoint said:
Two Islamists killed that soldier. What that religion inspires defies exaggeration.

Much in the same way that Christianity inspires violence among a tiny minority of its devotees.

coldjoint · Jan 10, 2017

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zyzygy said:
Much in the same way that Christianity inspires violence among a tiny minority of its devotees.

Not in the same way at all. Christian doctrine does not teach hate. And the OT you keep running back to is not Christianity. A ridiculous statement.

truthatallcost · Jan 10, 2017

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PeteEU said:
Not as bad as it use to be, but in very Catholic countries, some families still encourage their uneducated girls to join the Church.. to lessen their burden on the family. As I said in the beginning.. it use to be far far more common, but it does still happen.

'Encouraging' someone to become a nun isn't the same as 'they have no choice'. At least you'll admit that it's not really happening that much anymore. We solved that one.

Yes I know, and your point is? Dont you think there is a lot of pressure in the fact that they can either go whoring around (according to the Amish) and be basically excluded of the Amish society and family, or follow the Amish ways of utter subservience to men... for many that is a damn hard thing to contemplate regardless of the cult we are talking about. Humans are as a rule of thumb, very "tribal" and need family and friends and it is hard to give that up. That is why cults can be so succesful.

The Amish are not discriminating against all women, like Muslim men are in Sevran France. They also are quite fair with permitting their children to pursue any lifestyle that works best for them. Another one of your comparisons has been shown to be inaccurate.

Yes and many Christian women are beaten and killed by their husbands. Does not mean all does it? I dont condone this behaviour at all, but you are using the backwards thinking of a small minority of people in France, to paint a very large brush of hatred on all Muslims in France and Europe.

Islamic honor killings have occurred in the Mideast, Asia, Europe, the UK, and the USA. These are killings done by a family against girls who are actually trying to assimilate, like we've asked them to. Wake up Pete.

Let me put it this way.. Catholics in Honduras are backwards relative to Catholics in Spain or Italy. Does that mean that all Catholics can be slammed for the backwards thinking of the Honduran people and government? No of course not. But that is what you are doing.

Fine. Support gender based discrimination Pete. Tell European women to either cover themselves in burlap sacks, or face abuse. Tell Europeans that they must follow Islamic rules while in Europe. This is what you're leading to, isn't it?

LOL there are far more, and they are getting more and more influential. It is part of their master plan. And so what if there are only so many Scientologists? Does dehumanising women only apply to Muslims these days?

You'll do anything to ignore the 1.6 billion people who are the fastest growing religion. Well its easy for you to do. There's no consequences yet.

That is EXACTLY what you said! You stated that these women are banned in no go zones, by publishing the OP article. This is not true. It is abusive husbands aka males, that prevent them from going out. How is that different from a Christian man doing this.. and yes they do exist! Does this mean all Christian men are abusive? no!

Omg sometimes this is like arguing with a child.

French law- women may go where they wish.

Islamic culture- women may go where we permit them to go. They'll be bullied and abused if they disobey.

Understand?

You mean like Jews in New York, or cat calling in Chicago or London? Or other women calling women sluts for having too tight jeans on? Come on.. wake up and let go of your Muslim hatred..

Click to expand...

We're talking about Paris Pete, not Jews in NYC or ethnic groups in Chicago.

Google it. The fact that you dont know, shows how out of touch you are to similar abuses in other religions.

Click to expand...

I guess you're walking away from that claim too, like the one about girls being forced into nunneries :lol:

zyzygy · Jan 11, 2017

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coldjoint said:
Two Islamists killed that soldier. What that religion inspires defies exaggeration.

What inspired the many gun deaths in the States last year?

coldjoint · Jan 11, 2017

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zyzygy said:
What inspired the many gun deaths in the States last year?

Who cares, terrorism is completely different.

zyzygy · Jan 11, 2017

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coldjoint said:
Who cares, terrorism is completely different.

Whatever is going on in the States is far more effective.

coldjoint · Jan 11, 2017

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zyzygy said:
Whatever is going on in the States is far more effective.

Cheer up, Islamists are working on that.

Manc Skipper · Jan 11, 2017

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coldjoint said:
Not in the same way at all. Christian doctrine does not teach hate. And the OT you keep running back to is not Christianity. A ridiculous statement.

Ask those who suffered in the holocaust.

zyzygy · Jan 11, 2017

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coldjoint said:
Cheer up, Islamists are working on that.

A tiny, tiny minority. All religions have their nutcases.

coldjoint · Jan 11, 2017

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Manc Skipper said:
Ask those who suffered in the holocaust.

That was not a Christian act, and you know it. Christianity was hijacked for apologists, it was Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Palestine. We are talking about doctrine, these Muslims intimidating women are doing what Islam says to do, and so are Islamists. End of story.

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