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Terror truck drives into Berlin Chrstmas market

Tigerace117 said:
Well,meets see. Pretty much every far right group in Europe right now uses rhetoric that would make Hitler and Mussolini stand up and applaud, but the German group in particular has a lot of ties with Neo Nazis.
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Great, so I guess it's up to me to guess who "the German group" is. The Scorpions? Maybe Abba?

So in other words you assume that Germans are so cowardly that they'll go running for the far right? The country which fought the world not once but twice? Don't make me laugh:lamo
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You call it cowardly when people decide they really don't care for being crushed to death under the tires of a lorry? Yeah OK Tiger, good luck buddy.

Choosing sensible immigration policies NOW, can help Germany to avoid the need to "fight" an enemy that walks amongst them.

Bull****. They tried that excuse after the war. They knew the Jews were disappearing. They simply didn't care until it but them in the ass. Where the **** did they think the Jews were going--- to a ****ing soccer game?
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Revisionism isn't reality. There's been a big push to blame nearly every living person on earth for the holocaust at some point. I've even read that the US is responsible since we 'let it go on', and other nonsense.

Tell me Tiger: how could the average German living in the 30's & 40's have thwarted the holocaust once it began? I'm sure your answer won't disappoint the laughter I'm anticipating when I read your response!

The Greatest Generation certainly was no friend of those seeking to bring back the regimes they destroyed buddy. I hate to break it to you.
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Yada, yada. I've known World War 2 vets in my life, you've known your silly textbooks and Poindexter teachers. Bravo.

Many WW2 vets who served in the Pacific didn't even want Japanese people to be allowed to migrate to the US after the atrocities they witnessed during the war. My great uncle was one of those vets. He told me before he died how shocked him and his friends from the military were at what became of their service to the country.
 
truthatallcost said:
Little good that does for the 12 dead and scores wounded, perhaps crippled now, in Berlin tonight.
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The German police are still unsure whether or not this was a terror attack. Perhaps you could wait to find out before calling it one?

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Kiwimac said:
The German police are still unsure whether or not this was a terror attack. Perhaps you could wait to find out before calling it one?

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Sure. I'll wait, and you'll abandon the thread when police announce the suspect's name and agenda. And rinse and repeat.
 
truthatallcost said:
Sure. I'll wait, and you'll abandon the thread when police announce the suspect's name and agenda. And rinse and repeat.
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According to the Guardian. ". . .The German interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, said in the hours after the attack the evidence had not yet made it clear that it was deliberate, though it was likely to have been one.

“We don’t yet have anything conclusive regarding the circumstances and the course of events ... I don’t want to use the word ‘attack’ yet although a lot points to that,” he told ARD public television. . ."

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Kiwimac said:
According to the Guardian. ". . .The German interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, said in the hours after the attack the evidence had not yet made it clear that it was deliberate, though it was likely to have been one.

“We don’t yet have anything conclusive regarding the circumstances and the course of events ... I don’t want to use the word ‘attack’ yet although a lot points to that,” he told ARD public television. . ."

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That is old info:
German police say truck driver 'intentionally' drove into Berlin Xmas market
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German police say truck driver ?intentionally? drove into Berlin Xmas market | News | DW.COM | 20.12.2016

A security source told German news agency dpa that the man detained likely came to Germany as a refugee in February and was either from Afghanistan or Pakistan.
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Sounds right...
 
We wait and see. Jumping to conclusions is not a good idea at any time.

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Tigerace117 said:
And of course, by "pro Muslim" you mean "treating Muslims like people instead of some kind of hive mind".

See, that's the problem--- no, the Jews weren't judaizing Germany---- but the average German was convinced they were. They thought they were stopping "Judeo Bolshevism" just as you think you are stopping "Islamization" and both of you are dead wrong.

The far right never stays "peaceful" for a second longer then they are forced to. The second they are tolerated, out come the knives.

If the far right tries to go to violence, fine. Crush them like bugs and they'll crawl back under their rocks.
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And just who is going to crush extreme nationalists, if they ever make up a substantial part of the population in Germany or some other European nation? I doubt Europeans, unless most of them have become too flabby and decadent even to defend their cultures, will stand for much more bullying and violence by ungrateful Islamist immigrants. If there is ever large-scale rioting against these immigrants, severe government measures against them, or both, they had better pray to Allah that it does not take place before their far higher birthrate has placed them in the majority. Given the pattern of one jihadist mass murder after another, I doubt they will get that long before their whipping starts to be administered in earnest.
 
Chagos said:
what is truly tiresome is continuously demanding that police forces show no professionalism at all. Goes for the media as well.

"Report what is known when it is known" appears to be a concept totally alien to you.
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Manc Skipper said:
There's no danger of anyone jumping to conclusions in threads like these, it's already there in the title.
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Kiwimac said:
We wait and see. Jumping to conclusions is not a good idea at any time.

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Suspect in Berlin Christmas market attack came to Germany as refugee, reports say

Suspect in Berlin Christmas market attack came to Germany as refugee, reports say | Fox News
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Now.. spin, rinse, and repeat.
 
News conference scheduled for in about 3 hours time.

Things crystallizing towards it being terror attack.
 
Kiwimac said:
According to the Guardian. ". . .The German interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, said in the hours after the attack the evidence had not yet made it clear that it was deliberate, though it was likely to have been one.

“We don’t yet have anything conclusive regarding the circumstances and the course of events ... I don’t want to use the word ‘attack’ yet although a lot points to that,” he told ARD public television. . ."

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The suspect is an Afghani or Pakistani refugee, who hijacked a Polish truck driver before murdering him and stuffing him in the passenger side.

And we're still debating whether or not the attack was deliberate??

Some people truly cannot be reached.
 
truthatallcost said:
The suspect is an Afghani or Pakistani refugee, who hijacked a Polish truck driver before murdering him and stuffing him in the passenger side.

And we're still debating whether or not the attack was deliberate??

Some people truly cannot be reached.
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Let's not wait for law enforcement to do their jobs and actually investigate whether this was an attack. Let's simply lynch the accused .

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Kiwimac said:
Let's not wait for law enforcement to do their jobs and actually investigate whether this was an attack. Let's simply lynch the accused .

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No one, here or anywhere else, is suggesting that the man arrested should be lynched. So no need to get hysterical - you are free to believe that this 'incident' was just some sort of freak accident if you wish.
 
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No one, here or anywhere else, is suggesting that the man arrested should be lynched. So no need to get hysterical - you are free to believe that this 'incident' was just some sort of freak accident if you wish.
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I am waiting to find out and not prejudging the situation

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And this right on the heels of Frieburg, after too some new embarrassing info on Cologne.....

The Germans is seems are finally starting to understand what Merkel did.

I do believe her goose is cooked.

In time for the holidays.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Much like the average European or American today has no reason to fear Muslims
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They have been rising from 1% to 8-11% in a mere few decades, and they amount to third of our youth in Paris' region, and quickly growing.

Of course they are islamizing our countries. Partially or completely, we will see, but at this rate our big cities will be Muslim before the end of the century.

Already they dominate many little cities and turned them into undesirable places. The non-Muslims living there preferred to leave their hometown.

If the far right tries to go to violence, fine. Crush them like bugs and they'll crawl back under their rocks.
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Given that a third of France is already far-right do you plan to crush one third of us to let Muslims immigrate? And soon enough two-thirds of us will be Muslims.

Crush as many people as you want, you will not change anything. French people do not want Islam and you cannot throw us Islam down our throats and expect no reaction.
 
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Press conference of Minister of the Interior confirms terror attack.

The dead passenger found in the Polish truck showed a gunshot wound and appears to be the original driver (i.e. working for the Polish transport company that owns the truck). So everything points to the truck having been hijacked and the driver kidnaped in the process, to eventually be murdered.

The suspected attack driver that has been apprehended is Pakistani, entered Germany in December of last year and his application for asylum is still pending (i.e. undecided and as such so far not granted). He denies having driven the truck or having been involved in the whole deed at all.

Press conference by all police forces scheduled for later today.
 
German police are saying that they're not sure they got the right suspect and the terrorist could still be out there.
 
truthatallcost said:
Great, so I guess it's up to me to guess who "the German group" is. The Scorpions? Maybe Abba?



You call it cowardly when people decide they really don't care for being crushed to death under the tires of a lorry? Yeah OK Tiger, good luck buddy.

Choosing sensible immigration policies NOW, can help Germany to avoid the need to "fight" an enemy that walks amongst them.



Revisionism isn't reality. There's been a big push to blame nearly every living person on earth for the holocaust at some point. I've even read that the US is responsible since we 'let it go on', and other nonsense.

Tell me Tiger: how could the average German living in the 30's & 40's have thwarted the holocaust once it began? I'm sure your answer won't disappoint the laughter I'm anticipating when I read your response!



Yada, yada. I've known World War 2 vets in my life, you've known your silly textbooks and Poindexter teachers. Bravo.

Many WW2 vets who served in the Pacific didn't even want Japanese people to be allowed to migrate to the US after the atrocities they witnessed during the war. My great uncle was one of those vets. He told me before he died how shocked him and his friends from the military were at what became of their service to the country.
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It's really not that hard to figure out. You gave the impression you were familiar with European political groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany

These guys were the main examples, but I've heard reports of even the comparatively more main stream German right wing parties getting lots of support from the hotbeds of Neo Nazism in the former East Germany.

Of course, your definition of "sensible immigration policies" and actually effective immigration policies are likely totally unrelated.

Well, let's see--- they could have, you know, not voted Hitler into power in first place. Or, barring that, risen up en masse. Given support to Operation Valkyrie or one of the other plots against Hitler.

And groups like the 442nd proved that the "Japanese, including those born here(since, after all, they didn't consider the kids of Japanese immigrants Americans) are all out to get us" idea was a myth, and a dumb one at that
 
matchlight said:
And just who is going to crush extreme nationalists, if they ever make up a substantial part of the population in Germany or some other European nation? I doubt Europeans, unless most of them have become too flabby and decadent even to defend their cultures, will stand for much more bullying and violence by ungrateful Islamist immigrants. If there is ever large-scale rioting against these immigrants, severe government measures against them, or both, they had better pray to Allah that it does not take place before their far higher birthrate has placed them in the majority. Given the pattern of one jihadist mass murder after another, I doubt they will get that long before their whipping starts to be administered in earnest.
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European governments aren't going to stand by and let Neo Nazis rampage at will. And while people like you are likely rubbing your hands in glee at the prospect of mobs roaming the streets looking for Muslims to string up, the reality is that that sorr of thing won't end well for your buddies.
 
Auvergnat said:
They have been rising from 1% to 8-11% in a mere few decades, and they amount to third of our youth in Paris' region, and quickly growing.

Of course they are islamizing our countries. Partially or completely, we will see, but at this rate our big cities will be Muslim before the end of the century.

Already they dominate many little cities and turned them into undesirable places. The non-Muslims living there preferred to leave their hometown.


Given that a third of France is already far-right do you plan to crush one third of us to let Muslims immigrate? And soon enough two-thirds of us will be Muslims.

Crush as many people as you want, you will not change anything. French people do not want Islam and you cannot throw us Islam down our throats and expect no reaction.
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Oh, the horror. :roll:

And here I thought it was the Chinese were suppose to destroy western civilization by outbreeding us :roll:

There's been myths like that about every single group of immigrants pretty much ever. I'm not holding my breath about it happening for real.

"Undesirable places"? You really don't get how much you sound like a German circa 1938......

Sure, especially if you go to guns. DeGaulle did it over Algeria once before anyway. And clearly French people do want Islam, so.....
 
Tigerace117 said:
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I think you are a Muslim who purposely exploits the Shoah reference while knowing perfectly that Muslim immigration would cause a new Shoah, and that you are very well aware of the rise of Islam in our countries but also very happy with it.

Yes, the cities dominated by Muslims are undesirable places, filthy places where retrograde values, intolerance and francophobia are the societal norm. Saying this is a simple matter of fact. I know because I regrettably grew up there.

One last word: there are too many Muslims for a scenario like Nazism. With one third of the youth being Muslim around Paris, we will have a bilateral conflict. And it will start with Muslims performing an ethnic cleansing against non-Muslims in one of their cities.
 
Berlin police commissioner voiced doubts over whether the apprehended suspect actually drove the truck or was involved at all.

That is of course neither here nor there and investigations are still going on (DNA, gunfire traces on hands and clothes, blood samples etc.).

But it is leaking (not officially confirmed) that the suspect showed no blood traces on himself or his clothes which would be quite a feat if he was in the blood splattered driver's cabin of the truck, let alone shot the driver there.

No gun found so far, not in the truck, not on the driver and not along the way of his assumed flight thru the "Tiergarten" (a forested park area in which he was arrested about a mile or less away from the market).
 
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Auvergnat said:
I think you are a Muslim who purposely exploits the Shoah reference while knowing perfectly that Muslim immigration would cause a new Shoah, and that you are very well aware of the rise of Islam in our countries but also very happy with it.

Yes, the cities dominated by Muslims are undesirable places, filthy places where retrograde values, intolerance and francophobia are the societal norm. Saying this is a simple matter of fact. I know because I regrettably grew up there.

One last word: there are too many Muslims for a scenario like Nazism. With one third of the youth being Muslim around Paris, we will have a bilateral conflict. And it will start with Muslims performing an ethnic cleansing against non-Muslims in one of their cities.
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Well, you definitely shouldn't go into the fortune telling buisness bud. I'm not Muslim, I'm Catholic. And no, I don't know that "Muslim immigration will cause a new holocaust". I know the exact opposite, in fact. I'm more concerned with the fact that the Nazis and their supporters are using irrational fear to try and crawl back into power.

Aw, look at that! You've got your imitation down pat. All you need is a reference to an international conspiracy to finish the "Is This Sort of Bull**** seriously still being said in 2016" bingo!

People thought there were too many Jews to try and wipe them out. That didn't stop Hitler from trying then and it wouldn't stop the far right from trying now.
 
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