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The French left has been the most liberticide govt since Pétain

Auvergnat

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Either you agree with the socialists, either you go to jail! A quick review of some decisions taken by the French socialist party throughout the last four years:


* Creation of an "apology of terrorism" crime, punishable by 7 years of jail.

* Creation of a law to punish prostitution's customers by 2 years of jail.

* Extension of a law to punish authors of websites with "misleading information" about abortion by 2 years of jail. It was previously only used against those preventing abortions through physical actions.

* Extension of a law to force social networks to systematically report all hate speech to the justice (which in France literally starts with sexist jokes - the law was about gender equality). It was previously only against pedopornography and crimes against humanity.

* Emergency state since 2015. Which has been used for example to prevent leftist demonstrators to protest against a WTO summit, by preventively detaining them at their home, despite the lack of criminal or terrorist intention.

* Creation of a law to analyze all Internet and phone communications, which they claim is only for metadata, even though the laws are laxer.



The problem today is not the far-right, it is the political correctness inquisition.

Meanwhile the socialists have regularized hundreds of thousands of illegal Muslim immigrants, illegally subsided many Mosques, they now attempt to puncture halal meat to fund Mosques even though most of it is consumed by non-Muslims without knowing, they introduced Arab courses in many primary schools, their Israel policy is now fit to please Muslims, etc. 93% of Muslims voted for Hollande.
 
We live in a day and age of fake news. Post proof or retract these extraordinary claims.
 
No: sourcing each point would be time-consuming if I could post French sources, but with English sources only this is simply impossible.

Simply wait for other posters who are well aware of French affairs to back this up, although they may defend those measures.
 
Phys251 said:
We live in a day and age of fake news. Post proof or retract these extraordinary claims.
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Nothing has really changed with respect to most of the important policy areas. Only the direction of the populist thrust has. The social programs were sold without presenting the downsides or their unsustainability being discussed. The EU constitutional treaty was adopted after the formal EU constitution had been knocked down in referendum without changing factually changing it. Even stupid people are noticing that two of the UK resisted and refused to join, because they would not work have performed as the Brits has predicted. Only idiits would not be worried after that to hear the GB might leave the foundering project. They are beginning to understand that they have been being fed populisms instead of false information. They are used to it. Most cannot judge fake and real. They've been led down fool's alley. It's all they know.
 
Auvergnat said:
No: sourcing each point would be time-consuming if I could post French sources, but with English sources only this is simply impossible.

Simply wait for other posters who are well aware of French affairs to back this up, although they may defend those measures.
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So you're going to make extraordinary claims and just expect the rest of us to blindly accept them. Not gonna happen.
 
Phys251 said:
So you're going to make extraordinary claims and just expect the rest of us to blindly accept them. Not gonna happen.
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Blindly accept his claims without evidence! Blindly accept his claims without evidence!
 
Auvergnat said:
Either you agree with the socialists, either you go to jail! A quick review of some decisions taken by the French socialist party throughout the last four years:


* Creation of an "apology of terrorism" crime, punishable by 7 years of jail.

* Creation of a law to punish prostitution's customers by 2 years of jail.

* Extension of a law to punish authors of websites with "misleading information" about abortion by 2 years of jail. It was previously only used against those preventing abortions through physical actions.

* Extension of a law to force social networks to systematically report all hate speech to the justice (which in France literally starts with sexist jokes - the law was about gender equality). It was previously only against pedopornography and crimes against humanity.

* Emergency state since 2015. Which has been used for example to prevent leftist demonstrators to protest against a WTO summit, by preventively detaining them at their home, despite the lack of criminal or terrorist intention.

* Creation of a law to analyze all Internet and phone communications, which they claim is only for metadata, even though the laws are laxer.



The problem today is not the far-right, it is the political correctness inquisition.

Meanwhile the socialists have regularized hundreds of thousands of illegal Muslim immigrants, illegally subsided many Mosques, they now attempt to puncture halal meat to fund Mosques even though most of it is consumed by non-Muslims without knowing, they introduced Arab courses in many primary schools, their Israel policy is now fit to please Muslims, etc. 93% of Muslims voted for Hollande.
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I am pretty horrified by what has been going on in France among other European countries. It is, hiwever, what one had to fear would happen, when unsustainable social democracies folded under the additional weight of a dysfunctional EU of false dreams and myths. Thiugh, we have seen the unrest in the streets I had predicted, when I worked on the Maastricht Treaty, it came 5 years earlier than I had expected, we might see much worse to come. But the pressures building under the financial blanket that the ecb and related institutions have spread over the economic disequilibria have real explosive qualities.
 
Auvergnat said:
No: sourcing each point would be time-consuming if I could post French sources, but with English sources only this is simply impossible........~
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Actually it isn't that at all, it just takes more work.

I could provide some examples both confirming or refuting (depending on interpretation by the respective "outlet") your claims or parts of them, seeing how there's vast international attention to most of those issue by international lawyers and human rights groups.

But your OP holds not my claims, they're yours.

If you can't be bothered to accompany them with the necessary documentation, you obviously can't be bothered to debate them.
 
TheGoverness said:
Blindly accept his claims without evidence! Blindly accept his claims without evidence!
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Hahahaha! Reminds me of this oldie but goodie:

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Chagos said:
Actually it isn't that at all, it just takes more work.
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No, the trustable English medias do not report everything that happens in France, far from this. Even the powerful NYT probably just has only one guy working in France and those issues do not interest their audience enough.

They did report some of those things but not all of them, by far. If you are interested in one especially, I can see if I can find something.

But no one can blame me for not achieving the impossible. And no one is ever asked after a post to provide tens of sources, this is unreasonable.
 
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Auvergnat said:
No, the trustable English medias do not report everything that happens in France, far from this. Even the powerful NYT probably just has only one guy working in France and those issues do not interest their audience enough.

They did report some of those things but not all of them, by far. If you are interested in one especially, I can see if I can find something.

But no one can blame me for not achieving the impossible. And no one is ever asked after a post to provide tens of sources, this is unreasonable.
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Then post the French sources ,I'm sure many would understand.

Though for the record I personally have no trouble believing that this stuff happend, and agree with you on most of it except Arabic courses in schools. Surely this is exactly what should be happening if you want to encourage integration? Not to mention that most of your neighbouring countries speak it. Seems more like common sense then anything else.
 
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Phys251 said:
So you're going to make extraordinary claims and just expect the rest of us to blindly accept them. Not gonna happen.
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These are not 'extraordinary claims' but everyday facts Phys251. What is or is not 'gonna' happen in Georgia is of no importance.
 
Red_Dave said:
Then post the French sources ,I'm sure many would understand.

Though for the record I personally have no trouble believing that this stuff happend, and agree with you on most of it except Arabic courses in schools. Surely this is exactly what should be happening if you want to encourage integration? Not to mention that most of your neighbouring countries speak it. Seems more like common sense then anything else.
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What a bizarre idea - that teaching Arabic in schools promotes integration. Quite the opposite. Btw France's neighbours speak Spanish, Italian, German, French and Flemish; none speak Arabic.
 
Sweden said:
What a bizarre idea - that teaching Arabic in schools promotes integration. Quite the opposite. Btw France's neighbours speak Spanish, Italian, German, French and Flemish; none speak Arabic.
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Where are Algeria, Morroco Libya and Tunisa in relation to France?
 
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Sweden said:
What a bizarre idea - that teaching Arabic in schools promotes integration. Quite the opposite. Btw France's neighbours speak Spanish, Italian, German, French and Flemish; none speak Arabic.
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It isn't so much France's neighbors that are irritating the French, but their personal neighbors, in the schools and the in the banlieus down the road.
 
Red_Dave said:
Where are Algeria, Morroco Libya and Tunisa in relation to France?
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I would say Tunisia is about 100 years behind France, Morroco and Algeria 200 years and Libya, 1000 years. I would hate to see the land of my birth dragged backwards in time.
 
joG said:
Over the sea?
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Well the distance from France to Morocco is 2, 290.5 KM, compare that to San Diego to New York (4,442.5 km) and thats really not to far. Not to mention the reliance France (and Europe in general) has on North Africa for raw materials, hence France's history of pillaging it.

And all of this begs the question, why would anyone object to their children learning anything? seems like a pretty screwed up set of priorities. Especially when it comes to a language spoken by 4.23% of the worlds population with a disproportionate amount of the worlds resources. If these kids leave school speaking French, English and Arabic all they need is Spanish and the world is pretty much their oyster.

On the integration front, surely if the goal is to prevent ghettoisation then its better that children in school can communicate and interact with each other be in French, Arabic or Swahili?
 
Red_Dave said:
Then post the French sources ,I'm sure many would understand.
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The last time I did this I got a warning from the moderators. The post was in English of course, the linked sources were in French.
 
Auvergnat said:
The last time I did this I got a warning from the moderators. The post was in English of course, the linked sources were in French.
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I believe I'm right in thinking you can post the sources in French as long as you give the gist in English, or at least translate the relevant parts. We had a Belgian poster who did this all the time.
 
Surely this is exactly what should be happening if you want to encourage integration?
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The courses are targeted at Muslims, to allow them to maintain their cultural identity. And it has nothing to do with integration, it is only for electoral purposes, because their parents want their kids to be able to learn the Koran early and keep their parents' culture rather than assimilate ours.

As for how things should be, it is simple: they must learn French, lose their culture, lose their religion and simply become French. And it is certainly not up to us to speak Arab.


As for our Muslim neighbors, since more relationships means more Muslims, the only viable strategy is to isolate ourselves from them. As for fossil fuels, hydrogen from nuclear fusion is not that far-fetched. Until then a mix of non-Muslim fossil fuels and hydrogen from nuclear fission and renewables will do the trick. This will allow us to maintain a complete isolation from them.

As much as I love foreign cultures, when it comes to Muslim cultures I would simply close all public Museums and other sources exposing those ones, and make sure that as little people possible learn that damn language.
 
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Auvergnat said:
The courses are targeted at Muslims, to allow them to maintain their cultural identity. And it has nothing to do with integration, it is only for electoral purposes, because their parents want their kids to be able to learn the Koran early and keep their parents' culture rather than assimilate ours.

As for how things should be, it is simple: they must learn French, lose their culture, lose their religion and simply become French. And it is certainly not up to us to speak Arab.

As for our Muslim neighbors, since more relationships means more Muslims, the only viable strategy is to have as little relationships with them as possible. The ideal scenario would be that no Muslim speak French and no Frenchman speaks Arab. As for fossil fuels, nuclear fusion is not that far-fetched and nuclear fision + non-Arab fossil fuels can do the job until then. This will allow us to maintain a complete isolation from them.
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You better get used to life without bauxite, phosphates and cordite then.
 
Auvergnat said:
No, the trustable English medias do not report everything that happens in France, far from this. Even the powerful NYT probably just has only one guy working in France and those issues do not interest their audience enough.
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Even where reports from non-French media will not be as frequent as those from France, your claim is simply an excuse.

If you were to browse the forum here, you'd find that issues like penalizing "hate messages" (whether shouted in a public square, a bar or on social networks) have already found address with no shortage of English language media being cited.

They did report some of those things but not all of them, by far. If you are interested in one especially, I can see if I can find something.
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I've found at least three myself, so no need.

But no one can blame me for not achieving the impossible. And no one is ever asked after a post to provide tens of sources, this is unreasonable.
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You've been here long enough to know that what you say in this respect is not true.
 
Red_Dave said:
I believe I'm right in thinking you can post the sources in French as long as you give the gist in English, or at least translate the relevant parts. We had a Belgian poster who did this all the time.
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SO not only I have to provide tens of sources, I also have to translate them?
 
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