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5 afghan teens in sweden charged with raping afghan boy[W:33]

Re: 5 afghan teens in sweden charged with raping afghan boy

So you don't wish to discuss Islam.

I have no problem discussing Islam, what I have a problem with is every damned thread in this section eventually being about muslims or the deliberate misrepresentation of this continent by posters such as yourself into something I just don't recognise.

Finally, I have a problem with discussing islam when there is no honesty or ability to discuss it in a grown up way beyond simplistic "islam is evil" type comments when you have shown zero understanding of the history of where extremism within islam has come from.

Basically, present a grown up argument and people will respond to you in a grown up way. Lie and troll as you currently do and you will get the responses you currently get ~ your choice.
 
Re: 5 afghan teens in sweden charged with raping afghan boy

I have no problem discussing Islam, what I have a problem with is every damned thread in this section eventually being about muslims or the deliberate misrepresentation of this continent by posters such as yourself into something I just don't recognise.

Finally, I have a problem with discussing islam when there is no honesty or ability to discuss it in a grown up way
beyond simplistic "islam is evil" type comments when you have shown zero understanding of the history of where extremism within islam has come from.
Basically, present a grown up argument and people will respond to you in a grown up way. Lie and troll as you currently do and you will get the responses you currently get ~ your choice.

The extreme in Islam comes from Muhammad. Simple and true. For you to but, but, but to everything only shows your desperation. The history is Islam when strong enough killing and taking what is not theirs. By genocide and all other available means. Another simple fact.
 
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majority of americans have now boycotted Europe since it is now too dangerous

I am very grateful that Americans did not boycott Europe from 1942 to 1945 - when it was even more dangerous than it is now.
 
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So you don't wish to discuss Islam. You would rather point out the way it is being argued about. How do you expect Islam to change to a tolerant religion when it simply is not one? You realize Islam will stop people from calling Islam out, that is how they got this far and made a myriad of friends who would rather blame the citizens of the host countries instead of the leaders who caused the problem.

One cannot win a debate against the Islamophiles Coldjoint. No matter how well it is demonstrated that Islam is a philosophy, world view, primitive religion and political programme totally at odds with the post-enligtenment settlement they will blindly assert that Islam is good. They will employ tedious sophistry or insult and, I suggest, are best ignored.
 
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I am very grateful that Americans did not boycott Europe from 1942 to 1945 - when it was even more dangerous than it is now.

We had a common enemy and we do again. Now we have to suck it up and admit it. The outlook for living with Islam in free countries is bleak if not totally ridiculous.

Islam itself says it will not happen unless it is Islam in complete control. What part of that don't we get? It is time to treat the religion like the ideology it is. Call out their Sharia and expose the violence the doctrine preaches. And let people know it is acceptable to want Islam gone.
 
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One cannot win a debate against the Islamophiles Coldjoint. No matter how well it is demonstrated that Islam is a philosophy, world view, primitive religion and political programme totally at odds with the post-enligtenment settlement they will blindly assert that Islam is good. They will employ tedious sophistry or insult and, I suggest, are best ignored.
Well, either you're not following the debate(s) or you're of the same ilk that confuses speaking out against the mindless condemnation of a whole group of people with condoning terrorist actions.

I just love it how that particular group indignantly cries "but we don't mean all Muslims", only to then continue in same wholesale condemnation.

Since by their take that Islam is evil, by that logic all Muslims must be of the same evil. Well, sorry for even mentioning logic in this context, seeing how it thus obviously finds no application in the claim of not meaning all Muslims.

Application of logic requires a certain level of sophistication in thinking, you shouldn't confuse that with sophistry.

Nor should you confuse your perception with the reality of who shows to be most guilty of fallacious arguments. You might find yourself demonstrating projecting behaviour that doesn't make your position all that worthy of consideration.
 
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Since by their take that Islam is evil, by that logic all Muslims must be of the same evil.
No, you deliberately make a fallacious conclusion to ostracize your debaters.

Islam is a retrograde philosophy forever incompatible with our western culture, and this should not even be disputed.

Muslims however may be converted to our values, provided their number is not too big and that proper assimilation (not integration) policies are put in motion, including an unambiguous rejection of Islam in the public sphere and a rejection of multiculturalism.

Islam cannot equally cohabit with our cultures. The only possible outcomes are assimilation (by one culture or the other), extermination (by one group or the other), or secession. Only one of those five is acceptable.
 
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No, you deliberately make a fallacious conclusion to ostracize your debaters.
I wasn't talking about you. What's more, I wasn't talking TO you either.

But FWIW, with one exception (further elaboration irrelevant and thus unnecessary) I ostracise nobody. You do know what ostracism is, right?

To remove possible uncertainties
the most common form of ostracism in a modern context is refusing to communicate with a person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism#Modern_usage

Seeing how on this very page I'm communicating with both you and Sweden (to name just two I don't agree with at all), your accusation is clearly baseless and thus rather daft.
Islam is a retrograde philosophy forever incompatible with our western culture, and this should not even be disputed.
Well, you don't get to call the shots on what is to be disputed or isn't.

Muslims however may be converted to our values, provided their number is not too big and that proper assimilation (not integration) policies are put in motion, including an unambiguous rejection of Islam in the public sphere and a rejection of multiculturalism.

Islam cannot equally cohabit with our cultures. The only possible outcomes are assimilation (by one culture or the other), extermination (by one group or the other), or secession. Only one of those five is acceptable.
Okay, that's your take on it and we all know it.

Where it's considered invalid by others, your praying it down time and time again like some rosary changes nothing. Once again just an opinion piece that finds no substantiation by factual argument and thus no credibility. But if it's merely opinion you want to express, that's certainly ok.

Just as it's equally ok in such a case for others to dismiss it as being deemed irrelevant to any debate.
 
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One cannot win a debate against the Islamophiles Coldjoint.

Are you tilting at windmills or is that insult aimed at me?

If it is, point out examples that justify the ad hominem. I seem to remember you trying to defend Coldjoint by saying I was indulging in exactly what you are doing there. Either find them or by failing, you demonstrate you too are lying.

~ they will blindly assert that Islam is good.

And also point out anywhere anyone has said this please or by failing, you demonstrate you too are lying.

~ are best ignored.

That may be your best option.
 
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