Merkel calls for burka ban

Auvergnat said:

If the repression is not enough, increase the repression. But of course you would prefer us to submit to Islam.

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Quit telling others what they prefer, you don't know enough about them.

I raised a number of valid questions to outline a conundrum. If you have nothing of substance to contribute, you surely know the prudent conduct in such a case.


P.S. .........and if you were ever to overcome your habitual problem of lacking focus, you'd have read in this and other threads that I support the ban.

Pay attention!

Auvergnat said:

But a few decades ago it was considered backwards by ALL Muslim women in France! It has been slowly gaining support since then, and it will continue to progress.

What you refuse to understand is that since a few decades the most retrograde religious ideas are slowly becoming popular among the Muslim communities, around the world and in France, that Islam itself is becoming more and more important for Muslims every year.

And as a consequence France is more and more divided between a "us" and a "them". The consequences will be tragic.

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No it wont. The ladies were just trying to show how "different" they were to distinguish themselves from the rest of the crowd. In fact, I would not care to be a Muslim in an all Catholic country. It aint fun being that "different", and theirs was a reaction to the ostracism that they felt.

This will all be recent history as soon as the job-market starts creating jobs, and that started a few months ago in France.

We shall see ...

Lafayette said:

So, given your logic, Uncle Sam has the right to shoot any Mexicans illegally crossing its borders? Uh, how about Canadians? They are rightful targets as well?

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Well that's a little extreme, don't you think?

You don't even understand why Burka's are legally not allowed (for instance in France as well). It is for purposes of identification at the heart of most criminal acts. Nobody is allowed to wear a mask. (And this rule has nothing whatsoever to do with anti-Muslim sentiments.)

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How many crimes have been committed by burka'd individuals? People can differentiate between a burka and a mask that would be used for criminal activity. To apply it to the burka is really just an excuse, imo, to push cultural norms. I mean, I get that. There is a need to integrate disparate cultures to each other. Just be honest about it.

Lafayette said:

This will all be recent history as soon as the job-market starts creating jobs, and that started a few months ago in France.

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No it won't: it is a global movement started decades ago, not something that will disappear in a few years. This is yet another desperate attempt at wishful thinking.

Their economic integration has kept improving for the past decades, but so did their identitarism and radicalism. There is no relationship between both. This is a disproved hypothesis.

Chagos said:

if you were ever to overcome your habitual problem of lacking focus, you'd have read in this and other threads that I support the ban.

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I never saw you contribute anything to a discussion. Most of the time you are simply telling the world why you are a superior being and telling others how inferior they are. Of all posters you are the one I read the less. For me you are nothing more than a small mind with a giant ego problem.

Auvergnat said:

But a few decades ago it was considered backwards by ALL Muslim women in France! It has been slowly gaining support since then, and it will continue to progress.

What you refuse to understand is that since a few decades the most retrograde religious ideas are slowly becoming popular among the Muslim communities, around the world and in France, that Islam itself is becoming more and more important for Muslims every year.

And as a consequence France is more and more divided between a "us" and a "them". The consequences will be tragic.

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That's the interesting thing. Islam doesn't seem to be doing what the left is claiming. It is not progressing assimilate into the modern world, it is regressing. You can find pictures of Afghanistan from the 60s of women wearing mini-skirts and such and now you will get killed for that.

The name Arab Spring is the worst name ever picked, as it represented a resurgence of extremism. It should be called the Arab Winter.

Fishking said:

Well that's a little extreme, don't you think?

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Yes, of course. I was exaggerating on purpose.

Fishking said:

How many crimes have been committed by burka'd individuals? People can differentiate between a burka and a mask that would be used for criminal activity. To apply it to the burka is really just an excuse, imo, to push cultural norms. I mean, I get that. There is a need to integrate disparate cultures to each other. Just be honest about it.

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The law had to be written to ban all coverage of the face for purposes of facial-recognition by a camera. The burka happened to be covering all and only allows eyesight. So, it has to be illegal.

There are two or three Muslim women who are part of the Socialist government, and they go out of their way to underline the fact that dressing in that manner belittles women. I doubt that the women doing so are very intelligent ... and since their radical-Muslim uncle/brother/father insisted, they did it.

Social Norms have gone bizarre in France. There was a report last night on how women (of all kinds) no longer sit in "cafés" that cater to a wholly male clientele. They are not welcome, not even on the terrace. Of course, not serving women is illegal in France, but this happens in parts of a city where the unemployment is high and men congregate in certain bars so they get away with it.

soot said:

Again, as I've said numerous times, if the wearing of a burka had been instrumental or even incidental to one crime, terror attack, or act of violence and you could point to that as exemplary of a real and present need to implement security measures around it then we might have a discussion on our hands.

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The very reasonable counter point is that no one should get an exception to the law, whether there is an example or not. If not, then what other exemptions do you give out on religious grounds? Do you let certain religious shop owners discriminate against customers but other religions or atheist shop owners have to follow the law? Are certain religious groups allowed to discipline their children in a way what would be child abuse but others would not be?

Either the law has to be ditched as something no one has to follow or no one should be exempt. That's no unreasonable.

Lafayette said:

The US is one of the most Unfair Countries in terms of Income Distribution on earth.

And, if you look at the date line, you'll see that it all started when JFK (of all people in the 1960s) implemented the reductions on upper-income taxation and Reckless Ronnie finished the hatchet-job in the 1980s. Don't believe that happened?

'Nuff said, probably not. Around here, even when one puts up descriptive evidence it just bounces off the brain-cells ...

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Not to derail the thread even more (PM me if you want) but correlation =/= causation and there are more variables at play than just taxes.

Lafayette said:

Social Norms have gone bizarre in France. There was a report last night on how women (of all kinds) no longer sit in "cafés" that cater to a wholly male clientele. They are not welcome, not even on the terrace. Of course, not serving women is illegal in France, but this happens in parts of a city where the unemployment is high and men congregate in certain bars so they get away with it.

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Actually it was a TV reportage about one café in a Muslim-dominated area.

There is nothing bizarre: it is a Muslim-dominated area. It has always been like that in such areas. It was already like that in the 80's and it is how things are in Alger. It's just that, now, there are a lot more of such places in France.

And of course it is not France: those are Muslim-dominated places. It is something else, it is not my country, not my people. If we ever want to assimilate them we will need strength and authority.

Auvergnat said:

I never saw you contribute anything to a discussion. Most of the time you are simply telling the world why you are a superior being and telling others how inferior they are. Of all posters you are the one I read the less. For me you are nothing more than a small mind with a giant ego problem.

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You know what? Your opinion of me is totally irrelevant to me, seeing how I usually dwell neither on whosoever's ego problems nor on the size of their mind, simply for lack of necessary acquaintance with either.

Although your propensity for accusing others of ad-hominems in habitual projection of own behavior might provide some clues.

Just to say that pointing out your continuous demonstrations of your ignorance is not addressing "others". It's addressing you (singular as in one other) and I suspect there's no reason for you to use the "pluralis majestatis".

It's "the least" by the way, not "the less". But seeing that English is not your first language you're forgiven. You're actually quite good in it.

Auvergnat said:

No it won't: it is a global movement started decades ago, not something that will disappear in a few years. This is yet another desperate attempt at wishful thinking.

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Moving right along ...