De-Islamization Of Europe

Sweden · Dec 2, 2016

coldjoint said:
Actually Islam itself is extreme right and very similar to the Nazis. I say the Right because they are opposed to more migrants and refugees.

Only because ignorant hacks and academics have stupidly decided to label opposition to mass immigration 'right wing'; it is not. Here the only party questioning, long term, the wisdom of mass migration is SverigeDemokraterna - the Swedish Democrats. It is in fact a moderately left wing party, welfarist in the classic Swedish mode. It is supported, much to the chagrin of the Social Democrats, by the majority of members of Trade Unions. 'Far Right' is simply a way of abusing parties like SD, FN in France and AfD in Germany.

coldjoint · Dec 2, 2016

Infinite Chaos said:
I wasn't quoting you for the comment about a dishonest media, it was the other spurious claims you made. I'll wait - just like I gave up waiting for you to explain whether all muslim terrorists in Europe were sunni / shia / ahmaddiya etc and then waited for you to give me an example of a country where mslims have taken over a docile population.

The only thing proven was that old angry white men vote for their last hurrah before demographics takes over and you become a minority.

First, nothing I have said about Islam is spurious. It is everything I said it is. And as far as angry old white men the people flocking to Right in Europe are young. Austria is a good example.

Infinite Chaos · Dec 2, 2016

coldjoint said:
First, nothing I have said about Islam is spurious. It is everything I said it is.

Except that you still can't tell me about whether muslim terrorism in Europe is primarily shia, sunni or ahmaddiya.

coldjoint said:
And as far as angry old white men the people flocking to Right in Europe are young. Austria is a good example.

Didn't young Austrian men do that 90 years ago or do you still know nothing about history?

Infinite Chaos · Dec 2, 2016

Chagos said:
~ both versions describe stupidity. Hate and fear are "just" its cousins.

Amen to that. I still find it funny how Europe is a proxy for the real story which is demographics in the USA.

coldjoint · Dec 2, 2016

Infinite Chaos said:
Except that you still can't tell me about whether muslim terrorism in Europe is primarily shia, sunni or ahmaddiya.

Didn't young Austrian men do that 90 years ago or do you still know nothing about history?

Does it matter? Terrorism is killing people and it is inspired by Muhammad who is the role model for every Muslim according to the Koran and Hadith. The sect is unimportant Islam itself is the scourge.

The young men have it right this time. They are fighting the new Nazis(Islamists)

calamity · Dec 2, 2016

Tigerace117 said:
Sieg Heil.

:roll:

Seems to be the trend.

Infinite Chaos · Dec 2, 2016

coldjoint said:
Does it matter? Terrorism is killing people and it is inspired by Muhammad who is the role model for every Muslim according to the Koran and Hadith. The sect is unimportant Islam itself is the scourge.

Zero knowledge on display again. Why am I wasting time responding to you?

coldjoint said:
The young men have it right this time. They are fighting the new Nazis(Islamists)

No surprise you'd say that ~ both because of your extreme right wing politics and the ignorance that the Nazis of the 30's allied with some muslims in the ME.

You really don't know much history.

Chagos · Dec 2, 2016

Infinite Chaos said:
Amen to that. I still find it funny how Europe is a proxy for the real story which is demographics in the USA.

Well, as we all suspect, not everybody spouting off in that vein over Europe is even aware of that particular angle.

zyzygy · Dec 2, 2016

Chagos said:
Well, as we all suspect, not everybody spouting off in that vein over Europe is even aware of that particular angle.

They are spouting off without knowing the first thing about Europe.

Chagos · Dec 2, 2016

zyzygy said:
They are spouting off without knowing the first thing about Europe.

not knowing the first thing applies to pretty much everything.

That would include Muslims, Islam, the Quran, history in general, geography etc.

Tanngrisnir · Dec 2, 2016

coldjoint said:
Does it matter? Terrorism is killing people and it is inspired by Muhammad who is the role model for every Muslim according to the Koran and Hadith. The sect is unimportant Islam itself is the scourge.

The young men have it right this time. They are fighting the new Nazis(Islamists)

Yes, it matters.

Answering it correctly (and it's falling out of bed easy) would indicate you have some familiarity with the issue.

That said, you clearly don't, and your desire to distract people from that fact by dodging the question is obvious.

coldjoint · Dec 2, 2016

Chagos said:
not knowing the first thing applies to pretty much everything.

That would include Muslims, Islam, the Quran, history in general, geography etc.

Tell us what you need to know about Islam but its violence and intolerance? There is nothing Islam does that makes up for those undeniable parts of their doctrine.

Tell me one thing positive about the religion.

Auvergnat · Dec 2, 2016

Sweden said:
Only because ignorant hacks and academics have stupidly decided to label opposition to mass immigration 'right wing'; it is not. Here the only party questioning, long term, the wisdom of mass migration is SverigeDemokraterna - the Swedish Democrats. It is in fact a moderately left wing party, welfarist in the classic Swedish mode. It is supported, much to the chagrin of the Social Democrats, by the majority of members of Trade Unions. 'Far Right' is simply a way of abusing parties like SD, FN in France and AfD in Germany.

And more generally I think that all parties will eventually want to stop immigration.

Our societies are saturated by immigration, whose demographic share continues to rise every year, and the opinion's rejection of immigration and Islam is increasing accordingly. Going against the popular will would be like throwing oil on fire. Moreover the migratory pressure will also continue to increase, especially with the climatic crises that could make the ME unlivable.

The problem is that immigration is locked at a national and European constitutional level by human rights, which impose familial reunion for our citizens' relatives (most of Muslim immigration in France) and prevents to detain illegals for an arbitrary duration until their expulsion (half of arrested illegals in France have to be released because their home countries purposely do not respond in time). European countries and the EU need a regulatory big bang to stop immigration.

Chagos · Dec 3, 2016

Tanngrisnir said:
Yes, it matters.

Answering it correctly (and it's falling out of bed easy) would indicate you have some familiarity with the issue.

That said, you clearly don't, and your desire to distract people from that fact by dodging the question is obvious.

Well said.

coldjoint · Dec 3, 2016

Chagos said:
Well said.

Well said for an apologist. What does the sect have to do with the fact that terror and violence are sanctioned for every Muslim? An unpleasant fact all of you wish to avoid.

Until you deal with what Islam says and teaches people will die while you continue to argue about the sect included in a violent intolerant religion/ideology.

Then again, if you can prove that one sect denies Muhammad as a role model and the final word in Islam it would be different. Should I wait?

Tanngrisnir · Dec 3, 2016

coldjoint said:
Well said for an apologist. What does the sect have to do with the fact that terror and violence are sanctioned for every Muslim? An unpleasant fact all of you wish to avoid.

No, well said for someone who sees right through you.

Until you deal with what Islam says and teaches people will die while you continue to argue about the sect included in a violent intolerant religion/ideology.

Yawn. More alarmist bed-wetting that addresses nothing about the roots of the terror problem.

Then again, if you can prove that one sect denies Muhammad as a role model and the final word in Islam it would be different. Should I wait?

Why do you pretend to know anything at all about Islam?

Chagos · Dec 3, 2016

Tanngrisnir said:
No, well said for someone who sees right through you.

Yawn. More alarmist bed-wetting that addresses nothing about the roots of the terror problem.

Why do you pretend to know anything at all about Islam?

One could call it mantra-ing, were it not for the fact that om mani padme hum has more substance.

Sounds more pleasant as well. :lol:

Tanngrisnir · Dec 3, 2016

Chagos said:
One could call it mantra-ing, were it not for the fact that om mani padme hum has more substance.

Sounds more pleasant as well. :lol:

His ignorance of both Islam and basic reality is truly something to behold.

Chagos · Dec 3, 2016

Tanngrisnir said:
His ignorance of both Islam and basic reality is truly something to behold.

indeed!

Infinite Chaos · Dec 4, 2016

Tanngrisnir said:
No, well said for someone who sees right through you.

Yawn. More alarmist bed-wetting that addresses nothing about the roots of the terror problem ~

And for seeing right through his failure to discuss or back commentary up, you get called an apologist. If you're not an alarmist, or you don't wet yourself at the sight of a muslim you're an apologist.

With regard to the premise of the thread - nobody has actually presented any credible argument or evidence of any "islamisation" of Europe, the thread starter never returned so it was simply just a flame thread.

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