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Erdogan Threatens to Let Migrant Flood Into Europe Resume

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Turkey's geographic location is somewhat of a trump card (no pun intended).
It's a key to many conflicts, from originally a USA/NATO/Russia, to now, gateway to the Middle East.
For that reason, and unfortunately, the Creep in 'Creeping Sharia' holds an ever stronger hand.

Erdogan Threatens to Let Migrant Flood Into Europe Resume
By SAFAK TIMUR and ROD NORDLAND
Nov 25, 2016- NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/w...p-tayyip-erdogan-migrants-european-union.html

ISTANBUL — President Recep Tayyip Erdogan angrily threatened on Friday to open the floodgates of migrants into Europe again, apparently in response to a move to suspend talks on Turkey’s membership in the European Union.

“You did not keep your word,” the president said in a speech here, addressing Europe.

“You cried out when 50,000 refugees were at the Kapikule border,” he said, referring to the border crossing with Bulgaria, one of the busiest in the world even in normal times. “You started asking what you would do if Turkey would open the gates. Look at me — if you go further, those border gates will be open. You should know that.”

Mr. Erdogan was referring to an agreement between Turkey and the European Union in which the bloc gives Turkey up to €6 billion (about $6.3 billion) through 2018 in exchange for Turkish cooperation on keeping migrants from crossing into Europe. The agreement mandated an acceleration of talks on Turkey’s joining the union, which the European Parliament voted on Thursday to suspend. While the vote was nonbinding, Mr. Erdogan made clear that he was angered by it.

The agreement has been broadly successful in reducing much of the refugee and migrant flow into Europe this year, with crossings from Turkey dropping below 100 a day recently, compared with 2,000 a day before the agreement, which was signed last March.

In 2015, three-quarters of a million migrants passed through Turkey on the way to Europe. The United Nations estimates the number of refugees in Turkey at 2.7 million, with some estimates going much higher.
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A bind for the EU.
 
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Turkey's geographic location is somewhat of a trump card (no pun intended).
It's a key to many conflicts, from originally a USA/NATO/Russia, to now the gateway to the entire Middle East.
For that reason, and unfortunately, the Creep in 'Creeping Sharia' holds an ever stronger hand.

Erdogan Threatens to Let Migrant Flood Into Europe Resume
By SAFAK TIMUR and ROD NORDLAND
Nov 25, 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/w...p-tayyip-erdogan-migrants-european-union.html


A bind for the EU.
I'm laughing because despite Turkey Holding back millions of immigrants Europe is still being overrun. What happens when Turkey just doesn't care? :lamo

For all the poo-pooing Europeans have been doing for the past 30 years, I'd love for them to have to deal with a legitimate illegal immigrant problem. The Entirety of Europe will start supporting Trump's policies overnight!!! :mrgreen:
 
Turkey's geographic location is somewhat of a trump card (no pun intended).
It's a key to many conflicts, from originally a USA/NATO/Russia, to now, gateway to the Middle East.
For that reason, and unfortunately, the Creep in 'Creeping Sharia' holds an ever stronger hand.

Erdogan Threatens to Let Migrant Flood Into Europe Resume
By SAFAK TIMUR and ROD NORDLAND
Nov 25, 2016- NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/w...p-tayyip-erdogan-migrants-european-union.html


A bind for the EU.

Why should Turkey not send the refugees on to the EU, after the way they have treated the country, is the thinking in Ankara. It is this treatment resembling Trump's threat to cancel TPP that destroyed Turkish politicians that had invested their political capital in the entry negotiations. This weakening of the democratic groups allowed Erdogan to mutate towards autocracy, a process we are now watching unfold.
 
I'm laughing because despite Turkey Holding back millions of immigrants Europe is still being overrun. What happens when Turkey just doesn't care? :lamo

For all the poo-pooing Europeans have been doing for the past 30 years, I'd love for them to have to deal with a legitimate illegal immigrant problem. The Entirety of Europe will start supporting Trump's policies overnight!!! :mrgreen:

You are late to the party. It's already started.

After Trump Win, Parallel Path Is Seen for Marine Le Pen of France’s Far Right
As the 2014 European elections draw near, far-Right parties such as France's Front National are planning a new political bloc that could have a lasting impact on the continent. Some parties, like Golden Dawn, are too extreme to join. Others, like Ukip, are reluctant to be associated with the radical right. Hover over the countries to explore the parties shaping Europe's new politics
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EU Elections 2014: the rise of the new European Right - Telegraph

Granted, this is from 2014, so a couple of years old. One can only imagine that the political right movements have gained further ground since then.
 
Refugees waves will keep coming and they will be bigger and bigger, so we should find better solutions and stop relying on Turkey and its blackmails.

This basically boils down to two choices: make our countries undesirable for refugees (jailing until the situation is solved in their country for ex) and/or find territories where to deport them to.

As for Turkey, they are a Muslim country and I think the Muslim world should be isolated from the rest of the world.
 
Refugees waves will keep coming and they will be bigger and bigger, so we should find better solutions and stop relying on Turkey and its blackmails.
This basically boils down to two choices: make our countries undesirable for refugees (jailing until the situation is solved in their country for ex) and/or find territories where to deport them to.
As for Turkey, they are a Muslim country and I think the Muslim world should be isolated from the rest of the world.
Turkey does Not qualify for EU membership. It has moved further from it every day for 5-10 years.

European Neighbourhood Policy and Enlargement Negotiations - Conditions for membership - European Commission
Membership criteria – Who can join?

The Treaty on the European Union states that any European country may apply for membership if it respects the democratic values of the EU and is committed to promoting them.

The first step is for the country to meet the key criteria for accession. These were mainly defined at the European Council in Copenhagen in 1993 and are hence referred to as 'Copenhagen criteria'. Countries wishing to join need to have:

*stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
*a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU;
*the ability to take on and implement effectively the obligations of membership, including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union.​
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Turkey certainly does NOT qualify.
As I said in another post: they should tell Erdogan so, and tell him entry will Not be possible during his reign, but will be reconsidered/Welcomed after it.

I don't even see how they could conduct another Election, since any candidate running against Erdogan the Magnificent could be arrested for disagreeing with anything he's said/done. "Insulting the President" is now an offense for which 3000+ have been arrested, and which could not be avoided by an opponent.
The free press/media have been 90%+ wiped out.

As to what do do about his threat. I think all borders need to be tightened, including sending EU forces South to Turkey-bordering states.

I think of the Turks as a special case in Islam, as they were significantly 'sterilized' by Ataturk in favor of Turkish Republicanism. Being a Euro-border state had them more sophisticated than most of the M-E as well. (even before Ataturk)
Turks are not Iraqis, etc, and look down on Arabs and their less secular brand of Islam.
But they/a majority are willingly (or unwittingly) moving towards Islamism by Mullah Erdogan.

As my own ancedote: For years now, I see more and more Turks in NYC and Southern Florida.
The younger and more liberal moving here for freedom, opportunity.... and the rich, at the very least second homes for safety sake. ie,
Miami's Latest Newcomers: Wealthy Turkish Home Buyers - WSJ
Leaving Erdogan less opposed by the more progressive elements, who don't want to waste the next two decades in Dictatorial Erdo-Turkey.
 
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So great!

Europe has a fantastic history of extremist far right parties doing lots of good for the continent! :roll:

What do you think Islam is?
 
So great!

Europe has a fantastic history of extremist far right parties doing lots of good for the continent! :roll:

Flooding Europe with Muslims all unable to care and provide for themselves, at least initially, with a completely antithetical value system, who typically don't assimilate, and you're surprised there's a reaction from the local citizenry? Seriously?

What do you think Islam is?

Exactly.
 
I think of the Turks as a special case in Islam, as they were significantly 'sterilized' by Ataturk in favor of Turkish Republicanism. Being a Euro-border state had them more sophisticated than most of the M-E as well. (even before Ataturk)
I do agree: all studies reveal stark differences between Turkey and the Arab and Asian Muslims.

Yet, all of this seems to be vanishing. Like the rest of the Muslim world, Turks are day after day walking on the path of islamization and radicalization. No sign seem to indicate a reversal, with or without Erdogan.

Moreover Turkey has another problem that favors radicalization: a large demographic shift caused by the higher Kurd fertility. Once a minority, they will form the majority of the country in a few decades, outweighing Turks. Large demographic shifts almost always result in absolute and violent backlashes (nationalism, fundamentalism, racialism, secessionism, ...) and almost always cause bloody identity conflicts. Either Turkey will become dominantly Kurd, either Kurds will be ethnically cleansed, either they will manage to secedes and form the Kurdistan.
 
Europe has a fantastic history of extremist far right parties doing lots of good for the continent! :roll:
The FN is a moderate party, not an extremist one, and you are deriving a rule for all European countries from events that occurred only in Italy and Germany.

This is not 1933, although it will become if we continue to increase immigration and Islam despite the people shouting STOP STOP STOP.
 
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