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Almost Half of France Sees Muslims as a Threat to National Identity

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Almost two-thirds of French voters say Islam has become too "visible" in France, while almost half see the minority Muslim community as a "threat to national identity", according to a poll in April from French daily Le Figaro.
France envoy: 'Minority' of Muslims 'testing us' - Al Jazeera English

What can France do at this point, when attempts at assimilation and secularization have failed? The French people themselves, long known for their tolerant laissez faire attitude towards other cultures, are increasingly worried that France is losing its unique identity.

Thoughts?
Comments?
 
If France wouldn't have colonized Muslim areas it wouldn't have a problem with Muslim immigration.

France is reaping what it sowed right now.

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

:lol:
 
If France wouldn't have colonized Muslim areas it wouldn't have a problem with Muslim immigration.

France is reaping what it sowed right now.

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

:lol:

Excellent points.

Plus, France treats these people as second class citizens...stuffing them into ghetto-like areas, generally isolating them...and poverty and political hopelessness are prime breeding grounds for terrorism - radical Islam just lit the match.

Despite this, I guarantee you the vast majority of French Muslims are peaceful. But it only takes a couple bad apples....
 
France envoy: 'Minority' of Muslims 'testing us' - Al Jazeera English

What can France do at this point, when attempts at assimilation and secularization have failed? The French people themselves, long known for their tolerant laissez faire attitude towards other cultures, are increasingly worried that France is losing its unique identity.

Thoughts?
Comments?

My thought are lets not make the same mistake in America that France did

Its not too late to limit muslim immigration to the US
 
Excellent points.

Plus, France treats these people as second class citizens...stuffing them into ghetto-like areas, generally isolating them...and poverty and political hopelessness are prime breeding grounds for terrorism - radical Islam just lit the match.

Despite this, I guarantee you the vast majority of French Muslims are peaceful. But it only takes a couple bad apples....


Does France force muslims to live in ghettos?

I really doubt that
 
This requires a world government to solve.
 
Does France force muslims to live in ghettos?

I really doubt that

Those little Sharia enclaves need to be broken up.
 
Does France force muslims to live in ghettos?

I really doubt that

No...but they offer no incentives (financial or otherwise) for them not to PLUS the population as a whole tends to look down on them apparently...and has for years.

They are definitely considered (and treated as) second class citizens.

And remember, these are people who were colonized. France invaded and held their countries against their will for generations.

It's not like African Americans who are many generations removed from slaves. These are people whose parents (or even themselves) were living in countries which were conquered and held by France.
 
What can France do at this point, when attempts at assimilation and secularization have failed? The French people themselves, long known for their tolerant laissez faire attitude towards other cultures, are increasingly worried that France is losing its unique identity.

Thoughts?
Comments?

France has been worrying about it's identity for centuries.
 
No...but they offer no incentives (financial or otherwise) for them not to PLUS the population as a whole tends to look down on them apparently...and has for years.

They are definitely considered (and treated as) second class citizens.

And remember, these are people who were colonized. France invaded and held their countries against their will for generations.

It's not like African Americans who are many generations removed from slaves. These are people whose parents (or even themselves) were living in countries which were conquered and held by France.

What are the Muslims doing to help themselves?

They were allowed to move to France and were given financial assistance which was a pretty sweet deal

And I don't know how much of an excuse being colonized is worth today

Not much in my opinion
 
France envoy: 'Minority' of Muslims 'testing us' - Al Jazeera English

What can France do at this point, when attempts at assimilation and secularization have failed? The French people themselves, long known for their tolerant laissez faire attitude towards other cultures, are increasingly worried that France is losing its unique identity.

Thoughts?
Comments?
They are partly correct, but then again the French think Cheeseburgers are a threat to their Nation, so not setting too much stock in what the French think. I think they will start becoming far more less tolerant especially since France is about the easiest country in Europe for the refugees to enter, and unfortunately they did little vetting so they got some bad apples along with those looking for safety and freedom. To me taking in refugees is the right thing t do and as a Christian Nation should be our duty, but that does not mean we have be stupid in how we do it. Vet them, and I mean do a Good job, those that pass should be welcomed as we have done throughout our history, and those that cannot pass cannot stay, period.
 
France envoy: 'Minority' of Muslims 'testing us' - Al Jazeera English

What can France do at this point, when attempts at assimilation and secularization have failed? The French people themselves, long known for their tolerant laissez faire attitude towards other cultures, are increasingly worried that France is losing its unique identity.

Thoughts?
Comments?

A good chunk of France saw Hitler as a good guy too back in the day. Just like any other country, there are plenty of idiots in France.
 
France has been worrying about it's identity for centuries.

Yep and there was a 50+ year period once, where they slaughtered each other .. so much that the population by some accounts fell by 40%. That was the Catholics vs the Protestants..
 
If France wouldn't have colonized Muslim areas it wouldn't have a problem with Muslim immigration.
I get it: we all deserve to be down under the foot of Islam to serve your peculiar sense of justice. What a great humanist you are.

Immigration did not happen because of colonization, it happened because we have been naive and tolerant enough to let it happen, and because our leaders have refused to hear us since we started shouting STOP. At least take lessons from our fault and halt Muslim immigration in your country, rather than spitting on us.

No...but they offer no incentives (financial or otherwise) for them not to
Other minorities assimilate by themselves, you know? But we actually DO offer them better housing in other places. And a few of them take this better housing. But it takes decades to slowly dissolve a population among another one, otherwise you just recreate the same problems. Yet many or most only want to live in Muslims communities, according to the Muslim culture and values. Values that oppose ours and include hating us, hating Jews, hating gays, hating everyone.

We also spend twice more on education for them, and our public system is favored by most of French parents, although Muslims increasingly turn towards private Islamic teaching.

Islamism has been rising everywhere in the world since decades, this is not a French problem. France merely has more Muslims than other countries. Muslims want to strengthen their Islamic identity, not to assimilate and adopt our values, culture and identity.

Plus, France treats these people as second class citizens...
Racism exists everywhere, and far often in other countries than in France. It is inevitable, it will always exist, yet it did not prevent other minorities to assimilate.

But you obviously decided that we are the bad guys of the story and Muslims wonderful innocents.

Despite this, I guarantee you the vast majority of French Muslims are peaceful. But it only takes a couple bad apples....
Do you know that half of second generation European Muslims are antisemites and homophobes?

Our problem is not jihadism or terrorism. Our problem is Islam: France must not become a Franco-Muslim country. The Islamic values are the polar opposite of our values: Muhammad was a conqueror, a mass murderer, a slaver, a pedophile. And the values he professed reflect his barbarian and revulsive character, and the 7th century Arabic norms he lived in. There is no room for such an ideology in the West. And the Arabic cultures are extremely intolerant, racist, antisemite, homophobe.

Do not confuse the case of Muslims with the one of Jews in 33, Afro-Americans or Irish immigration in the USA.
 
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A good chunk of France saw Hitler as a good guy too back in the day.
No!

First of all this statement does not make sense since Hitler was openly anti-France, wanted to reject the Versailles treaty and militarize Germany, and was aggressive towards us. He was the enemy and a threat for France. There was no Hitlerian sympathy in France like there was in the USA.

Second of all the far-right was roughly insignificant in France at this time, with less than 1% of votes in the 1936 election. Pétain and his buddies would have never been able to lead France without the German invasion.
 
No!

First of all this statement does not make sense since Hitler was openly anti-France, wanted to reject the Versailles treaty, and was aggressive towards us. He was the enemy for the near-totality of French people. There was no Hitlerian sympathy in France like there was in the USA.

Second of all the far-right was roughly insignificant in France at this time, with less than 1% of votes in the 1936 election. Pétain and his buddies would have never been able to lead France without the German invasion.

Then how come the Milice had so many recruits? How come there was such heavy resistance at Casablanca? How come some of the last defenders of Berlin were Frenchmen?

The far right in France seems a lot more popular then you were willing to admit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_February_1934_crisis

Hmm....just one example of a near coup by the far right in France--- prior to World War Two.

Need I bring up the Dreyfuss Affair?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice#Membership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch#Casablanca

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33rd_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_Charlemagne_(1st_French)
 
I get it: we all deserve to be down under the foot of Islam to serve your peculiar sense of justice. What a great humanist you are.

Immigration did not happen because of colonization, it happened because we have been naive and tolerant enough to let it happen, and because our leaders have refused to hear us since we started shouting STOP. At least take lessons from our fault and halt Muslim immigration in your country, rather than
spitting on us.






Other minorities assimilate by themselves, you know? But we actually DO offer them better housing in other places. And a few of them take this better housing. But it takes decades to slowly dissolve a population among another one, otherwise you just recreate the same problems. Yet many or most only want to live in Muslims communities, according to the Muslim culture and values. Values that oppose ours and include hating us, hating Jews, hating gays, hating everyone.

We also spend twice more on education for them, and our public system is favored by most of French parents, although Muslims increasingly turn towards private Islamic teaching.

Islamism has been rising everywhere in the world since decades, this is not a French problem. France merely has more Muslims than other countries. Muslims want to strengthen their Islamic identity, not to assimilate and adopt our values, culture and identity.


Racism exists everywhere, and far often in other countries than in France. It is inevitable, it will always exist, yet it did not prevent other minorities to assimilate.

But you obviously decided that we are the bad guys of the story and Muslims wonderful innocents.


Do you know that half of second generation European Muslims are antisemites and homophobes?

Our problem is not jihadism or terrorism. Our problem is Islam: France must not become a Franco-Muslim country. The Islamic values are the polar opposite of our values: Muhammad was a conqueror, a mass murderer, a slaver, a pedophile. And the values he professed reflect his barbarian and revulsive character, and the 7th century Arabic norms he lived in. There is no room for such an ideology in the West. And the Arabic cultures are extremely intolerant, racist, antisemite, homophobe.

Do not confuse the case of Muslims with the one of Jews in 33, Afro-Americans or Irish immigration in the USA.



I didn't 'spit on France',I just pointed out how France screwed up in the past.Without a time machine(Which France will never have.) France can't put the toothpaste of its colonial past in Muslim areas back in the tube.

Deal with it any way that you can because the Muslims aren't going away.

:lol:
 
My thought are lets not make the same mistake in America that France did

Its not too late to limit muslim immigration to the US



How are you going to stop U.S. citizens from converting to the Muslim religion?

If you don't know I'll tell you: You can't.Read the 1st Amendment.

Deal with it.

:lol:
 
If France wouldn't have colonized Muslim areas it wouldn't have a problem with Muslim immigration.

France is reaping what it sowed right now.

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

:lol:

Muslims actually attempted to colonize France before the French were able to colonize North Africa. So by your logic, the French were actually justified in colonizing Muslim areas.

See how silly your position is here?
 
Muslims actually attempted to colonize France before the French were able to colonize North Africa. So by your logic, the French were actually justified in colonizing Muslim areas.

See how silly your position is here?



I see how silly your position is.The fact of the matter is that the French colonized Muslim areas and now they're paying a price for that.

:lol:
 
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Muslims actually attempted to colonize France before the French were able to colonize North Africa. .............................~
What the heck are you talking about?

Is this another excursion of yours into some history that you're not familiar with?

Like a Roman army being defeated at Kalkriese constituting the beginnings of German power.

See how silly your position is here?
 
I see how silly your position is.The fact of the matter is that the French colonized Muslim areas and now they're paying a price for that.

:lol:

Well then explain why my position is "silly".

You are saying that France caused their own modern problem with Islam by colonizing North Africa, which began in the 19th century.

Muslim invaders actually tried to colonize France many years before 1830, when France claimed Algiers:

The Battle of Tours was fought on October 10, 732 between forces under the Frankish leader Charles Martel and a massive invading Islamic army led by Emir Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi Abd al Rahman, near the city of Tours, France. During the battle, the Franks defeated the Islamic army and Emir Abd er Rahman was killed. This battle stopped the northward advance of Islam from the Iberian peninsula, and is considered by most historians to be of macrohistorical importance, in that it halted the Islamic conquests, and preserved Christianity as the controlling faith in Europe, during a period in which Islam was overrunning the remains of the old Roman and Persian Empires.

Islamic colonizers struck Europe and France 11 centuries before France gained control of Algeria. So since you believe that ancient injustices may be avenged in the modern era, you must feel that France was just paying their colonizers back for previous wrongs done to them!


Battle of Tours (732 A.D.)
 
I didn't 'spit on France',I just pointed out how France screwed up in the past



.Without a time machine(Which France will never have.) France can't put the toothpaste of its colonial past in Muslim areas back in the tube.

Deal with it any way that you can because the Muslims aren't going away.

:lol:

I thought your comments were pretty offensive
Ost if not all the French that colonized Arabia are dead and gone

The modern French people who opened their country to massive Islamic immigration are guilty of nothing

Except maybe liberal bleeding heart do-gooder stupidity

So let's learn from the French and not make the same mistake here y admitting Muslims faster than they can assimilate into our culture
 
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