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Brexit court defeat for UK government - BBC News

And the mess called Brexit continues... they cant even agree on how to trigger the process, let alone what they want from the negotiations. Its been 5+ months and still no clue, no plan, and no vision by the UK tory party and government. Europe and the world awaits....
 
On the side of being fair about this, we are talking about unprecedented activity here and there is bound to be headaches throughout this process... assuming it ever starts.
 
OrphanSlug said:
On the side of being fair about this, we are talking about unprecedented activity here and there is bound to be headaches throughout this process... assuming it ever starts.
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Somehow I doubt it will.
 
PeteEU said:
Brexit court defeat for UK government - BBC News

And the mess called Brexit continues... they cant even agree on how to trigger the process, let alone what they want from the negotiations. Its been 5+ months and still no clue, no plan, and no vision by the UK tory party and government. Europe and the world awaits....
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Let them wait, the EU is too chicken to do anything about it anyway.
 
OrphanSlug said:
On the side of being fair about this, we are talking about unprecedented activity here and there is bound to be headaches throughout this process... assuming it ever starts.
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Fair! Rational, when it comes to the UK Pete has no inclination towards such things....
 
PoS said:
Let them wait, the EU is too chicken to do anything about it anyway.
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Sigh.. again you show your ignorance of how the EU works.

The EU cant do anything about before the UK triggers article 50. It is business as usual until then, and in the mean time the UK is in utter political chaos with no sense of direction and massive political and economic uncertainty.
 
PeteEU said:
Sigh.. again you show your ignorance of how the EU works.

The EU cant do anything about before the UK triggers article 50. It is business as usual until then, and in the mean time the UK is in utter political chaos with no sense of direction and massive political and economic uncertainty.
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What uncertainty? The British economy is fine, thank you very much.
 
OrphanSlug said:
On the side of being fair about this, we are talking about unprecedented activity here and there is bound to be headaches throughout this process... assuming it ever starts.
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No doubt about that.. but that is not what we are talking about. From day 1 we saw that the Brexit people had no clue on what to do. They could not agree on anything and were totally unprepared. No plans.. hell they are having a hard time getting qualified people to work for Brexit in the Brexit ministry. May and her minions continue to say "oh we are getting there" without showing any sort of progress. They claim countries want to make trade deals, but leave out the fact that they only want to start talks once the UKs relationship to the EU is secure. In the mean time, the UK is adrift without a paddle so to say.

The people of Britain were lied to by the Brexit people and Tories, and are being conned yet again into a false sense of "it is okay" and we have plenty of time and that we are the strong negotiating partner...
 
I'm just pleased to see that the judiciary at least understands the constitution and recognises parliamentary sovereignty. We deprived a king of his head for acting in the way May wants to act on Article 50, so think on't, Teresa!
 
PeteEU said:
Brexit court defeat for UK government - BBC News

And the mess called Brexit continues... they cant even agree on how to trigger the process, let alone what they want from the negotiations. Its been 5+ months and still no clue, no plan, and no vision by the UK tory party and government. Europe and the world awaits....
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Puffing your propaganda again? Don't forget. This is not a country of continental Europe, where nobody believes in the rule of law. Personally I would have been as surprised had this not gone to court and being found against. The referendum was, after all not binding and the government can not be allowed to act without a legal basis. This is the way democracy should work and how the EU should have been built. If it had been the EU and Euroland wouldn’t be the pile of illegitimate mess they are.
 
Andalublue said:
I'm just pleased to see that the judiciary at least understands the constitution and recognises parliamentary sovereignty. We deprived a king of his head for acting in the way May wants to act on Article 50, so think on't, Teresa!
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I would have been rather shocked had it been decided otherwise.
 
PeteEU said:
Sigh.. again you show your ignorance of how the EU works.

The EU cant do anything about before the UK triggers article 50. It is business as usual until then, and in the mean time the UK is in utter political chaos with no sense of direction and massive political and economic uncertainty.
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UK leaders have a duty to conduct their business in the way most advantageous to the UK, and **** the EU and it's concerns. Capisci?
 
OrphanSlug said:
On the side of being fair about this, we are talking about unprecedented activity here and there is bound to be headaches throughout this process... assuming it ever starts.
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I would expect the probability of exiting is less probable than the EU people would like to believe.
It would be crazy of the UK to leave before the inevitable changes to the EU constitution have been made.I mean, if the changes are good, they might not have to leave and if not, they can influence European legislation to their advantage till they go out.
 
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LowDown said:
UK leaders have a duty to conduct their business in the way most advantageous to the UK, and **** the EU and it's concerns. Capisci?
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That kills the EU populists. The idea that elected politicians should act to their population's good and respect their national laws is antithesis to the EU.
 
According to Bank of England, the sky isnt falling.

In the three months since then, indicators of activity and business sentiment have recovered from their lows immediately following the referendum and the preliminary estimate of GDP growth in Q3 was above expectations [reminder: it was 0.5%, not 0.1%].

These data suggest that the near-term outlook for activity is stronger than expected three months ago. Household spending appears to have grown at a somewhat faster pace than projected in August, and the housing market has been more resilient than expected. By contrast, investment intentions have continued to soften and the commercial property market has been subdued.
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https://www.theguardian.com/busines...b029b92ca451ce#block-581b2a02e4b029b92ca451ce
 
I wonder how this could impact EU-UK relations if the process ends up being rockier and more tumultuous than expected/predicted.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I wonder how this could impact EU-UK relations if the process ends up being rockier and more tumultuous than expected/predicted.
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It remains difficult to see how the Parliament can decide one Brexit without knowing the strategy for negotiations or at least the goals. On the other side the EU is notably intransparent and secretive, but has the CETA precedent of Wallonia blocking a treaty not dissimilar to the one we might expect in the case of Brexit. Europe has created a mess of itself that is probably impossible to clean up within existing sovereign law.
 
PoS said:
What uncertainty? The British economy is fine, thank you very much.
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Yes that is what the media claim.. the numbers dont really support that. At best it is stagnant.
 
joG said:
Puffing your propaganda again? Don't forget. This is not a country of continental Europe, where nobody believes in the rule of law. Personally I would have been as surprised had this not gone to court and being found against. The referendum was, after all not binding and the government can not be allowed to act without a legal basis. This is the way democracy should work and how the EU should have been built. If it had been the EU and Euroland wouldn’t be the pile of illegitimate mess they are.
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LOL as usual you bring in your hatred of the EU into this and blame them instead of the Tories and May... pathetic.

Look, the UK is not and never has been a real democracy. The Tories have traditionally been quite undemocratic and what May tried to do, is nothing new. I expected and hoped that the courts would find against the government, but they have appealed to the politically biased Tory construct of the Supreme Court... guess that the Supreme Court will vote for the government.
 
LowDown said:
UK leaders have a duty to conduct their business in the way most advantageous to the UK, and **** the EU and it's concerns. Capisci?
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The EU has no concerns.. the UK leaders are not conducting their business in the most advantageous for the UK.. quite the opposite. Capisic? In fact the longer this mess goes on, the worse it will be for the UK and the better for the EU and its member states..
 
joG said:
Puffing your propaganda again? Don't forget. This is not a country of continental Europe, where nobody believes in the rule of law. Personally I would have been as surprised had this not gone to court and being found against. The referendum was, after all not binding and the government can not be allowed to act without a legal basis. This is the way democracy should work and how the EU should have been built. If it had been the EU and Euroland wouldn’t be the pile of illegitimate mess they are.
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Many people in Europe believe in the rule of law.
 
PeteEU said:
No doubt about that.. but that is not what we are talking about. From day 1 we saw that the Brexit people had no clue on what to do. They could not agree on anything and were totally unprepared. No plans.. hell they are having a hard time getting qualified people to work for Brexit in the Brexit ministry. May and her minions continue to say "oh we are getting there" without showing any sort of progress. They claim countries want to make trade deals, but leave out the fact that they only want to start talks once the UKs relationship to the EU is secure. In the mean time, the UK is adrift without a paddle so to say.

The people of Britain were lied to by the Brexit people and Tories, and are being conned yet again into a false sense of "it is okay" and we have plenty of time and that we are the strong negotiating partner...
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That is the political side, and I get that you are against it. The issue is the legality of going at this, now that we are past the vote. We'll be talking about this for years no matter when Brexit actually starts.
 
PeteEU said:
Brexit court defeat for UK government - BBC News

And the mess called Brexit continues... they cant even agree on how to trigger the process, let alone what they want from the negotiations. Its been 5+ months and still no clue, no plan, and no vision by the UK tory party and government. Europe and the world awaits....
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Who thought this was going to be rapidly brought to a close? Not I. It will be figured out at some point, I'm sure, but it was going to be a quagmire and everyone knows it. Who knows, in the end the UK may not even leave.
 
joG said:
I would expect the probability of exiting is less probable than the EU people would like to believe.
It would be crazy of the UK to leave before the inevitable changes to the EU constitution have been made.I mean, if the changes are good, they might not have to leave and if not, they can influence European legislation to their advantage till they go out.
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There is little doubt the challenges ahead are both numerous and complex.

What really happened today, granted the appeal, is the Brexit people are faced with the realization that to invoke Artcile 50 requires Parliament. And all that comes with that.

Politics aside for just a moment on how the actual Brexit vote played out, what we are talking about here is adding months and months to the process and effectively removing the PM and staff doing this on their timetable.

On the question of if Brexit is now less probable, I guess that is up for debate. If the appeal fails and this does end up in Parliaments hands there is a chance of negotiation within Parliament breaking down for this or that. I am on the fence on this meaning a ton of delays or a total collapse of the process angering Britain's voters.
 
PeteEU said:
Yes that is what the media claim.. the numbers dont really support that. At best it is stagnant.
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lolwhut? The media is using economic numbers to report that the British economy is doing fine- they are beating estimates that stated it would nosedive. You seem to be ignoring reality.
 
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