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Germany- Syrian Refugee Collects $390,000 in Assistance

To add: "Bedarfsgemeinschaft" is a bit awkward to translate but "community of dependence" probably comes closest.

Maybe it can be credibly claimed as existing if there are Dad, Mom and 26 kids, all from the same two parents.

As pointed out already the authorities (social benefits offices) split the whole lot up on account of there being no provisions in German law for families of polygamous nature.

In the case of this particular Syrian, he and the wife (singular) he chose to declare in accordance with law would fall into "Hartz-IV" category 2 (two spouses in same household) and get € 365 each. On the theoretical assumption that half their kids (11?) live with them and are all between 15 and 18 years of age (younger ones get less), each one of them gets € 306 (Hartz-IV category 4), this would amount to € 730 for the parents and 3,336 for the "youths", coming to 3,642 for that household.

Monthly!!!

Now let each of the three other wives be classified as "single parent" and they'd get Hartz-IV category 1 at € 404 each. For any other household member (say 4 "youths" each on category 3) that would be € 324 and thus .....

€ 730 husband and (one) wife
€ 3,336 for 11 youths in their household
€ 1,212 ("wives" 2, 3 and 4 at € 404 each)
€ 3,888 (total of 12 kids at € 324 each)

bringing up the total of € 9,166 and thus (x 12) € 109,920 per year for the whole lot.

That's being generous, seeing how kids from 7 to 14 year of age get less (€ 270) and those below even more so (€237).

Hartz IV (aka ALG II) is what any German gets who's on the dole.

So far the theory.

In practice, using the online calculator that the dole office provides and taking into account that it doesn't go beyond 6 kids of 15 to 18 years of age, if one puts a monthly rent of accommodation at € 1,350 (150 sq.m. at € 9/m2) and heating costs at € 1,000, the recognized requirement (benefit granted) for that household runs to € 3,551,20 per month.

That is ALL that particular household gets and not a cent more.

The three other households (one single parent with 4 kids each between 15 and 18 years) each get € 2,730.80 for 90 sq.m. at €9/m2 (rent at € 810.00)

Household 1 = € 3,551.20
Household 2 = € 2,730.80
Household 3 = € 2,730.80
Household 4 = € 2,730.80
Sum Total = €11,743.60 x 12 = € 140,923.20 cost of the whole lot per year.

Meaning cost of renting an accommodation and heating allowance are included and not taking into account that for households 2 -4 the authorities would have words over the rental and attached heating costs, curbing any such "desires" as outlined considerably.

That's being generous with the rent in both models since more rural areas (and this applies in the particular case) allow for a rental of not over € 4.00 per sq.m., a single householder is generally allowed 50 sq.m. plus an additional 15 sq.m. for each additional person (here 45 sq.m.) and thus the total of 95 sq. m. would be prohibited if the rent surpassed € 380.00 per month.

Even in densely populated city areas (not applicable here) the max. is € 9.00/m2 so anything above € 855.00 per month would be squashed for the "single parent" households.

In the case of greater number of people in household 1 (where the calculator will not surpass 6 kids), the max. allowable rent would thus be € 600.00 (150 sq.m.) and, where again not applicable here, max. €1.350 in larger cities (example used, but not applicable).

Whatever the case, apart from Dad not "collecting":roll: € 390,000 per year, he'd have a hard time "collecting" even those 140 thou', seeing how they're not paid to HIM. That's not even accounting for the fact that, depending on federal state and individual community, local authorities do the renting directly and assign people their dwellings if they're not Germans (i.e. refugees that cannot sufficiently know the ropes).

All of this for the benefit of those looking for proper information rather than being interested in mindless BS.

That's amazing, well done. The only downfall is that German taxpayers are on the hook to support Ghazia, his 4 wives, his 22 children, and any future children he should have, for life. He may even decide to take another wife and further procreate, as German polygamy laws are being ignored by Muslims.

What do you think the total bill handed off to the German taxpayers will be for one family, for life? Factor in education, healthcare, possible incarceration expenses.

Just at €140,000 per year, Germany will spend €3M over the next 20 years supporting one family . Factor in other costs, and you see the significance of discussing these matters.

You receive no victory here, because you are still in favor of millions of newcomers depending on Germany to support them. You still fail.
 
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That's amazing, well done. The only downfall is that German taxpayers are on the hook to support Ghazia, his 4 wives, his 22 children, and any future children he should have, for life.
You seem to think that 27 individual people (totally unrelated refugees) are cheaper. Well, they actually cost more.
He may even decide to take another wife and further procreate, as German polygamy laws are being ignored by Muslims.
There are plenty of other people who procreate without taking the trouble to join in marriage altogether. Many of the males procreating with different females. Where the heck do you think the Hartz-IV category for single parents comes from, careless girls not sufficiently wiping semen residues of toilet seats? :roll:

Does it mean anything to you that single parenthood in Germany is a phenomenon that pre-dates the issue of refugees by far?

What do you think the total bill handed off to the German taxpayers will be for one family, for life?
With currently 6 million Germans being on dole, what's the point of this question?
Factor in education, healthcare, possible incarceration expenses.
same thing here except for the bolded bit escaping pertinence completely. If you're trying to suggest that refugees' share in criminal act is higer than average, educate yourself to reality.
Just at €140,000 per year, Germany will spend €3M over the next 20 years supporting one family . Factor in other costs,
again no difference from 27 individuals that possibly come dearer.
and you see the significance of discussing these matters.
I see no significance in discussing it with the likes of you, only reason I respond to misrepresentations like these is for the benefit of those seeking to educate themselves.

This isn't about winning, it's about presenting facts with honesty. Maybe an alien concept to you but many on here appreciate it.

Not only is failure apparent but who it lies with as well.:roll:
 
But it is obvious it is not just 400€. Otherwise they would all be dead now, or Germany would been experiencing the greatest criminal wave of all times. It cannot be just 400.

You saw a document that mentions two pensions totaling 400€ a month. But this document also mentions additional forms of non-financial welfare, which must also be factored in. And it does not say that there are no additional pensions, especially for children or healthcare.
You're all awash, as anyone following pertinent information given will see.
 
You seem to think that 27 individual people (totally unrelated refugees) are cheaper. Well, they actually cost more. There are plenty of other people who procreate without taking the trouble to join in marriage altogether. Many of the males procreating with different females. Where the heck do you think the Hartz-IV category for single parents comes from, careless girls not sufficiently wiping semen residues of toilet seats? :roll:

Does it mean anything to you that single parenthood in Germany is a phenomenon that pre-dates the issue of refugees by far?

With currently 6 million Germans being on dole, what's the point of this question? same thing here except for the bolded bit escaping pertinence completely. If you're trying to suggest that refugees' share in criminal act is higer than average, educate yourself to reality.
again no difference from 27 individuals that possibly come dearer. I see no significance in discussing it with the likes of you, only reason I respond to misrepresentations like these is for the benefit of those seeking to educate themselves.

This isn't about winning, it's about presenting facts with honesty. Maybe an alien concept to you but many on here appreciate it.

Not only is failure apparent but who it lies with as well.:roll:

You miss the point

Yes germans have children they cant support and other germans are forced to pick up the bill for them

But this man is not german and his children are not german responsibility to take care of
 
~...............................But this man is not german and his children are not german responsibility to take care of
..................and that's something that YOU get to decide?

Well, it may ease your load to know that your opinion has nothing to do with deciding this
 
The primary English language source seems to be the Express (a National Enquirer level rag which routinely prints outright lies, often lifted directly from other dubious sources without any checking).

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...dren-320000-benefits-germany-Montabaur-Twasif

Their only reference for the figure they repeatedly stating he is receiving is the following (my emphasis);No name, no organisation, no explanation for the figure. Basically no evidence this "financial manager" even exists (it wouldn't be the first time the Express simply invented people in their stories).

Basically, this story has no place in any real discussion about refugees, immigration, benefits or anything else for that matter. Absolutely nothing about it is in any way backed up.

Its the usual nativist nonsense that gets exposed as lies. From the usual suspect too. Not a surprise there.
 
..................and that's something that YOU get to decide?

Well, it may ease your load to know that your opinion has nothing to do with deciding this

With all the nonsense you are offering about Germans having children they can't support it sounds like you don't even want to let the Germans decide if he can live there or not

If it were up to me - which it isn't - he would never have been there in the first place
 
But it is obvious it is not just 400€. Otherwise they would all be dead now, or Germany would been experiencing the greatest criminal wave of all times. It cannot be just 400.
:doh It cant be? Well guess what, thats what it is. I've cited two documents here.

But this document also mentions additional forms of non-financial welfare, which must also be factored in. And it does not say that there are no additional pensions, especially for children or healthcare.
Again this is irrelevant. You keep on ignoring many points in my responses to you. As I stated earlier, "Pretty irrelevant because 1.)Germany has a large social welfare state for everyone be them refugees or not and 2.)The claims made here in the article is that the state is literally handing him $390,000 in cold hard cash"
 
With all the nonsense you are offering about Germans having children they can't support it sounds like you don't even want to let the Germans decide if he can live there or not
Do you know anything about Germany?

If it were up to me - which it isn't -............~
Precisely.

You might take your own advice and leave it the Germans.
 
So you know nothing.

Thought as much.:roll:

You are a typical lib who attacks other posters rather than their opinions that you disapprove of

But you are not impressing anyone except yourself
 
You are a typical lib who attacks other posters rather than their opinions that you disapprove of
I typically show opinions that are sold in place of facts to be what they are, namely just that.

As to your assessment of my political leaning, that's just another example for the above.
But you are not impressing anyone except yourself
Well, if you think this whole thing is about impressing YOU, dream on.

You clearly haven't a clue on Germany or how the majority of Germans feel and that needs pointing out to the benefit of those more interested in information than opinions.
 
I typically show opinions that are sold in place of facts to be what they are, namely just that.

As to your assessment of my political leaning, that's just another example for the above. Well, if you think this whole thing is about impressing YOU, dream on.

You clearly haven't a clue on Germany or how the majority of Germans feel and that needs pointing out to the benefit of those more interested in information than opinions.

This Syrian Muslim does not work

So the German taxpayers are supporting his family

So it is reasonable to estimate how much that derelict bunch of foreigners are costing the German taxpayers
 
This Syrian Muslim does not work

So the German taxpayers are supporting his family

So it is reasonable to estimate how much that derelict bunch of foreigners are costing the German taxpayers
In the context of what was being discussed last, a typical non-sequitur.

Lame!:roll:
 
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Household 1 = € 3,551.20
Household 2 = € 2,730.80
Household 3 = € 2,730.80
Household 4 = € 2,730.80
Sum Total = €11,743.60 x 12 = € 140,923.20 Cost of the whole lot per year.

Meaning Cost of renting an accommodation and heating allowance are included and not taking into account that for households 2 -4 the authorities would have words over the rental and attached heating costs, curbing any such "desires" as outlined considerably.
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I don't know about direct Handouts, but you're leaving out Huge COSTS to the state.
Health care in Germany COSTS app € 5000 per capita, per Year.
x26 People = € 130,000 per year.

In the USA, the Cost of a child in school averages app $12,000 per year each.
Let's call it a conservative but round € 10,000 x 22 kids = € 220,000.

Grand total now is 140K + 130K + 220K = € 490,000 or app $540,000 in Costs to the state.

...
Life in Germany is not cheap.
Precisely.
 
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With all the nonsense you are offering about Germans having children they can't support it sounds like you don't even want to let the Germans decide if he can live there or not

If it were up to me - which it isn't - he would never have been there in the first place

I am German. So I decide. He may stay as long as it is not worth living in Syria. :)

*waiting for all my friends here - ( they all seem to be so afraid of our well - beeing) to tell me that I destroyed my homecountry*
 
I am German. So I decide. He may stay as long as it is not worth living in Syria. :)

*waiting for all my friends here - ( they all seem to be so afraid of our well - beeing) to tell me that I destroyed my homecountry*

It is up to the germans to decide

But these muslims do not appear to be assimilating

I wonder if there anything about the germany you grew up in that you will miss after its gone?
 
I simply don´t feel there will go anything because of some refugees

guys, I live here - how do you manage to think you know better whats going on here from some populist Internet talk than us living here??
 
I simply don´t feel there will go anything because of some refugees

guys, I live here - how do you manage to think you know better whats going on here from some populist Internet talk than us living here??

You are not the only german with an opinion

Reports are that many germans disagree with you and merkel on this subject.

But if you dont care what happens to germany neither do I.

Because I dont have to live there
 
than show me that German here - not in any dubious agenda source

or do you think the guys here are all strangers in their own country?
 
I simply don´t feel there will go anything because of some refugees

guys, I live here - how do you manage to think you know better whats going on here from some populist Internet talk than us living here??
Exactly.I find these comments from American who don't live in Europe amusing.
 
You are not the only german with an opinion

Reports are that many germans disagree with you and merkel on this subject.

But if you dont care what happens to germany neither do I.

Because I dont have to live there

I feel the same way about the USA. I wouldn't live there for all the tea in China.
 
It is up to the germans to decide

But these muslims do not appear to be assimilating

I wonder if there anything about the germany you grew up in that you will miss after its gone?

What will you miss about the USA after the Mexicans take over?
 
than show me that German here - not in any dubious agenda source

or do you think the guys here are all strangers in their own country?


If by here you mean this forum I dont know who is german and who isnt.

Nor do I care as long as the topic involves their problems with muslim migration
 
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