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UK- 'Jews Make God Angry', 'Kill Gays' taught at Girls School in England

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Due to the British press heavily censoring the story, I'm placing a video of American progressive David Pakman to adequately explain the Islamic extremism school in Nottingham that teaches Sharia, antisemitism, and homophobia to children. Please watch the video, it is eye opening!

Muslim school Jamia al-Hudaa will stay open but needs £200,000 for court appeal | Nottingham Post

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That is disgusting for a libertarian society. But I guess the UK isn't. Not being allowed to say, what you think was one reason for the Mayflower putting to sea. It seems so sad, that a modern country has no better argument to field against bad ideas than forbidding them to be spoken.
 
joG said:
That is disgusting for a libertarian society. But I guess the UK isn't. Not being allowed to say, what you think was one reason for the Mayflower putting to sea. It seems so sad, that a modern country has no better argument to field against bad ideas than forbidding them to be spoken.
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Incitement is a real thing, you seem to believe it isn't.
 
"I was unable to live a normal life in British society."

We have talked about this time and time again, it is impossible for anything remotely like multiculturalism to exist when one culture in the mix teaches lessons like what was going on at this Islamic school in Nottingham.
 
Apocalypse said:
Incitement is a real thing, you seem to believe it isn't.
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Oh, I do understand the word and its applicability to the real world. I also see that it is most often used to back up bigotry and xenophobia by populists that want your vote.
 
The usual response (the first one) composed of combobulated logic, general absence of reflective and critical thinking, asinine conflation of unrelated issues and overall ignorance of such a nature that one can't even begin to list specific issues.

(Nevertheless) for one thing, the issue that the school does not meet the overall educational standards (shown by its comparative lack of success in examination results) gets completely ignored, for another (some people just don't seem able to get their heads around it) in most European countries the concept of freedom of expression does not include hate speech or incitement to hate.

Most importantly we're not talking about a bunch of intoxicated nutcases spewing forth BS into their beer at the local pub (usually not sanctioned), this is about a school.

Which, to those having been privileged enough to be able to visit one, is obliged to serve society by educating its kids towards and in line with the values that govern within that society.

NOT TOWARDS THE OPPOSITE!!!

Lastly the comparison to the Mayflower bunch is amusingly apt, however unintentional. In that the society they withdrew from breathed a sigh of relief when this bunch of bigoted whiners, in pursuit of furthering freedom of expression, set sail for more distant shores.

There (upon arrival) to ban music, dancing and finally the celebration of Christmas. :roll:

There's a certain set of expat Yanks where one can understand why they expatriated. What remains puzzling is why they expatriated to those exact areas where they find nothing other to do than whine about conditions encountered.

Would this be poetic justice in (by) the country of origin getting its own back by forcing us over here to now put up with the whingers we thought we'd gotten rid of? :mrgreen:
 
joG said:
That is disgusting for a libertarian society. But I guess the UK isn't. Not being allowed to say, what you think was one reason for the Mayflower putting to sea. It seems so sad, that a modern country has no better argument to field against bad ideas than forbidding them to be spoken.
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The Mayflower put to sea on a routine commercial trip. One time it had a bunch of religious extremists who were unhappy in England, Holland and Belgium, but nobody could stand them for long, and wouldn't put up with them, so they came back to England and booked passage to the colonies where they could set up their own little theocracy.
 
joG said:
It seems so sad, that a modern country has no better argument to field against bad ideas than forbidding them to be spoken.
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There is no such thing as "bad ideas", only ideas that you personally reject. This is true about Islam, about far-right ideas, etc.

So you are a libertarian? Then it means you personally reject anti-libertarian ideas, that you call "bad ideas we must legitimately fight". And you probably also oppose voluntarily enrollment into slavery, voluntarily enrollment into a deadly manhunt reality show, voluntarily selling your arm to a cannibal butchery, etc. All things compatible with libertarianism but that you reject. Simply because you do not like those things. Because you want *your* values, your peculiar version of American "libertarianism", to prevail. This is fine, this is human, just stop pretending you do so because of some universal laws revealed by libertarianism's founding fathers, that all humanity must follow.

So please stop trying to make the whole world like the USA. Stop pretending the American libertarianism is the one true dogma that all will eventually converge to, and the only legitimate policy. The world is better when it is full of diverse civilizations with diverse values, cultures, languages and laws. Which is only possible by rejecting opposite ideas, and there is nothing wrong with that. For example I do not want a Franco-Islamic France. By the way, being allowed to stand for what *you* want for your country is called democracy.
 
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Apocalypse said:
Incitement is a real thing, you seem to believe it isn't.
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In France and probably in many other European countries, simply stating that most of drug dealers are brown or black (which the author managed to prove), or that Islam does harm our country (which it obviously does), are enough to get you sentenced.

What was once used to fight unambiguous calls to violence in mass medias is now used against the most ordinary statements from anonymous posters, with a shift away from facts and towards the alleged intentions of the author, encompassing not only racism but also sexist jokes. And it will eventually be used to punish blasphemy under Muslims' pressure, probably in just a mere few years.

Note also that no anti-white statement or pro-Muslim discrimination case have ever been sentenced in France, nor probably elsewhere in Europe.
 
From the Daily Mail:

The Damning Ofsted Failings

These are some of the disturbing findings by Ofsted at some of the legal Muslim schools across England, which have stayed open:

British law ‘undermined’ with books that ‘promote inequality of women and punishments including stoning to death’

...Year 6 pupils thought France is in Britain, no pupils spoken to knew what an MP is, and some did not know what Christmas is

Screen placed between male and female staff at meetings

...School lacks basic cleanliness leaving pupils ‘at risk of illness’

Some staff working without any background checks

The outside space is ‘a significant risk to pupils’ safety’.

Five schools STILL open despite extremist fears | Daily Mail Online
 
Manc Skipper said:
The Mayflower put to sea on a routine commercial trip. One time it had a bunch of religious extremists who were unhappy in England, Holland and Belgium, but nobody could stand them for long, and wouldn't put up with them, so they came back to England and booked passage to the colonies where they could set up their own little theocracy.
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Just think of it! The poor people had been to England, Holland and Belgium and treated so badly, that they were willing to flee as boat-people much like those in today'S Mediterranean. But that is the way Europe is: Can't stand people that believe anything other than they do themselves and hate the others as aberrations only good for the occasional pogrom. ;)
 
Auvergnat said:
There is no such thing as "bad ideas", only ideas that you personally reject. This is true about Islam, about far-right ideas, etc.

So you are a libertarian? Then it means you personally reject anti-libertarian ideas, that you call "bad ideas we must legitimately fight". And you probably also oppose voluntarily enrollment into slavery, voluntarily enrollment into a deadly manhunt reality show, voluntarily selling your arm to a cannibal butchery, etc. All things compatible with libertarianism but that you reject. Simply because you do not like those things. Because you want *your* values, your peculiar version of American "libertarianism", to prevail. This is fine, this is human, just stop pretending you do so because of some universal laws revealed by libertarianism's founding fathers, that all humanity must follow.

So please stop trying to make the whole world like the USA. Stop pretending the American libertarianism is the one true dogma that all will eventually converge to, and the only legitimate policy. The world is better when it is full of diverse civilizations with diverse values, cultures, languages and laws. Which is only possible by rejecting opposite ideas, and there is nothing wrong with that. For example I do not want a Franco-Islamic France. By the way, being allowed to stand for what *you* want for your country is called democracy.
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A bad idea is one that has been shown not to work. A worse idea is trying to make it work without adjusting for its faults.

And nobody wants the world to be like the US. The problem is that the US has like the Brits a hundred years earlier made a lot of the right decisions and the others have had to follow, if they wanted to bring their people into the global middle class. That is why they so resemble the US of 15 years ago in so many social and economic aspects.

Oh, you don't know why libertarianism is the superior philosophy for societies that search for progress beyond the present state of arts and such that are large, highly complex, polymorphous and continuously in search of progress?

You do? Discuss.
 
joG said:
A bad idea is one that has been shown not to work. A worse idea is trying to make it work without adjusting for its faults.

And nobody wants the world to be like the US. The problem is that the US has like the Brits a hundred years earlier made a lot of the right decisions and the others have had to follow, if they wanted to bring their people into the global middle class. That is why they so resemble the US of 15 years ago in so many social and economic aspects.

Oh, you don't know why libertarianism is the superior philosophy for societies that search for progress beyond the present state of arts and such that are large, highly complex, polymorphous and continuously in search of progress?

You do? Discuss.
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There's no such thing as a Libertarian society. Stop spouting bollocks!
 
gunner said:
There's no such thing as a Libertarian society. Stop spouting bollocks!
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Just like there is no total Good, there is no totally libertarian society. But there are such that are more so and such like England or Germany that are less so. I was brought up to believe that one should enjoy other cultures and beliefs or at least be tolerant, where people disturbed me mildly. In Europe this was different, I found, when I visited friends and discussed religion, race and politics. While in my home there was tolerance ther was a great peer group pressure to conform in the surrounding society. While we were brought up believing one should fight to keep it possible for people to speak their mind even when we strongly disagreed, most around me thought it was right to coerce the others to say and do, what was expected.

Or is it only the term you dislike, wanting a different word used. Maybe you would feel more comfortable with minachist, whereby that might easily be less structured a society than economics and social science would call for to be efficient.
 
Why does god hate jews? I guess if you're a gay jew then you're really asking for it!
 
joG said:
Just like there is no total Good, there is no totally libertarian society. But there are such that are more so and such like England or Germany that are less so. I was brought up to believe that one should enjoy other cultures and beliefs or at least be tolerant, where people disturbed me mildly. In Europe this was different, I found, when I visited friends and discussed religion, race and politics. While in my home there was tolerance ther was a great peer group pressure to conform in the surrounding society. While we were brought up believing one should fight to keep it possible for people to speak their mind even when we strongly disagreed, most around me thought it was right to coerce the others to say and do, what was expected.

Or is it only the term you dislike, wanting a different word used. Maybe you would feel more comfortable with minachist, whereby that might easily be less structured a society than economics and social science would call for to be efficient.
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I don't know what circumstances or circles you mixed in, your age, or anything about you. I do know that bar pure hate and encouragement of hate (and it has to be blatant) we are free to talk about anything. In essence, I do not recognise what you're talking about.

Edit: You need to read Chagos reply.
 
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gunner said:
I don't know what circumstances or circles you mixed in, your age, or anything about you. I do know that bar pure hate and encouragement of hate (and it has to be blatant) we are free to talk about anything. In essence, I do not recognise what you're talking about.

Edit: You need to read Chagos reply.
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Well, people have gone to jail in Germany for merely trivialising the Holocaust and people seem to be forbidden wearing burkas in France and many other things. You can go to jail for saying things that insult religions or belufes, if found guilty in Holland. These are things that you probably hardly notice. But they are very real and make mockery of tolerance, while they undermine the very foundation of viable democracy.
 
joG said:
Well, people have gone to jail in Germany for merely trivialising the Holocaust and people seem to be forbidden wearing burkas in France and many other things. You can go to jail for saying things that insult religions or belufes, if found guilty in Holland. These are things that you probably hardly notice. But they are very real and make mockery of tolerance, while they undermine the very foundation of viable democracy.
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The Holocaust is a trivial matter? Have you got a link to the case in question.
 
gunner said:
~.................... Stop spouting bollocks!
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bears repeating.

What tripe indeed. :roll:

A simple push of the like button didn't seem sufficient to me.

:mrgreen:
 
nota bene said:
From the Daily Mail:

The Damning Ofsted Failings

These are some of the disturbing findings by Ofsted at some of the legal Muslim schools across England, which have stayed open:

British law ‘undermined’ with books that ‘promote inequality of women and punishments including stoning to death’

...Year 6 pupils thought France is in Britain, no pupils spoken to knew what an MP is, and some did not know what Christmas is

Screen placed between male and female staff at meetings

...School lacks basic cleanliness leaving pupils ‘at risk of illness’

Some staff working without any background checks

The outside space is ‘a significant risk to pupils’ safety’.

Five schools STILL open despite extremist fears | Daily Mail Online
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The British are free to do whatever they want about this. But if it had happened in the U.S., I would probably--depending on exactly what was being taught--support a private school's First Amendment right to teach this sort of garbage. The best remedy is not to pay to have your kids attend a school like that. One thing this reveals is just what Islamists like these believe, and how those beliefs make it foolish for any free, democratic nation to let them settle on its territory in the first place, or to fail to deport those who are alien nationals as undesirables.

The U.S. has no more obligation to admit people like that than it did to admit fervent Nazis after World War Two, nor does it have any obligation to allow aliens--even resident aliens--who are openly hostile to our democratic way of life to remain on its territory. Once they become U.S. citizens, however, all that changes--which is a very good reason to require people who want to become citizens first to demonstrate their good character and loyalty to this country.
 
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joG said:
Just think of it! The poor people had been to England, Holland and Belgium and treated so badly, that they were willing to flee as boat-people much like those in today'S Mediterranean. But that is the way Europe is: Can't stand people that believe anything other than they do themselves and hate the others as aberrations only good for the occasional pogrom. ;)
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"Poor people"?

The Puritains were hardline Protestants. They had more in common with today's Islamist political parties than with the refugees.
 
joG said:
Oh, you don't know why libertarianism is the superior philosophy for societies that search for progress beyond the present state of arts and such that are large, highly complex, polymorphous and continuously in search of progress?

You do? Discuss.
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Libertarianism would lead my country to become a Franco-Muslim country, and Muslims would then suppress every hint of liberalism.

Please explain how it could be good.
 
joG said:
That is disgusting for a libertarian society. But I guess the UK isn't. Not being allowed to say, what you think was one reason for the Mayflower putting to sea. It seems so sad, that a modern country has no better argument to field against bad ideas than forbidding them to be spoken.
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The Pilgrim Fathers left England because Puritanism was not radical enough for them. They went to the New World to establish their own brand of religious intolerance. They once hanged a woman for being a Quaker.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The Mayflower put to sea on a routine commercial trip. One time it had a bunch of religious extremists who were unhappy in England, Holland and Belgium, but nobody could stand them for long, and wouldn't put up with them, so they came back to England and booked passage to the colonies where they could set up their own little theocracy.
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Only about 40 of the 102 passengers on the Mayflower were religious extremists. They called themselves Saints, not Pilgrims or Puritans.
 
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