Europe Wakes Up To Prospect Of Female Terrorists[W:22]

The terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels over the last two years have been carried out by male citizens of France and Belgium who had been radicalized by ISIS. But Europe is now waking up to the prospect of female terrorists. In the most recent attempted attack, in September, four women tried to blow up a car filled with gas canisters in central Paris. Two of them were teenagers.

Laura Passoni, a 34-year-old mother of two small boys, grew up in a Catholic family in the Belgian town of Charleroi. She converted to Islam at the age of 16 because she says she liked the religion and her best friend was Muslim.

Passoni married a Muslim man and they had a son. Everything was fine, she says — until her marriage collapsed. "My husband met another woman and left me and abandoned his little boy," she says. "And I went into a deep depression."

That's when Passoni met an ISIS recruiter online. She says she was extremely vulnerable and he played on that. "He told me I could be a nurse and help the Syrian people. He told me I could start my life all over again. He made me believe in dreams," she says. In June 2014, several months after she met the recruiter, Passoni traveled to Syria.

Passoni says she was shocked that some of the other mothers didn't even try to hide the horrors from their kids, like the crucifixions every Friday in the town square. "Some even let their kids go up and touch the dead bodies," she says.

Now back in Belgium, Passoni has written a book of her own. It's called In the Heart of ISIS With My Son. She's hoping to stop others from making the same mistake she did.

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Europe Wakes Up To Prospect Of Female Terrorists : Parallels : NPR

Muslim men are enticing European women to convert to Islam, and some are being directed to join Isis. Is this what the great multicultural dream was about? Sounds more like a nightmare

Do you think European women will continue to marry Muslim men and convert, and possibly commit terror?

Thoughts?
Comments?

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truthatallcost said:

Europe Wakes Up To Prospect Of Female Terrorists : Parallels : NPR

Muslim men are enticing European women to convert to Islam, and some are being directed to join Isis. Is this what the great multicultural dream was about? Sounds more like a nightmare

Do you think European women will continue to marry Muslim men and convert, and possibly commit terror?

Thoughts?
Comments?

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RUN! Da moozlims is stealing our women!

I remember this kind of comment in the 1970's when Jamaicans and other west indians had settled and the first race riots and problems started happening.

Now it's muslims as the evil foreigner.

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Infinite Chaos said:

RUN! Da moozlims is stealing our women!

I remember this kind of comment in the 1970's when Jamaicans and other west indians had settled and the first race riots and problems started happening.

Now it's muslims as the evil foreigner.

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Anytime someone responds with deliberately misspelled variations on the word 'Muslim', I know I'm in for some hacky shenanigans. You didn't break the mold.

I somehow think that if white, Christian men were traveling to Nigeria, and marrying native women in order to get them to join a terrorist group, you wouldn't treat the issue so flippantly.

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Infinite Chaos said:

RUN! Da moozlims is stealing our women!

I remember this kind of comment in the 1970's when Jamaicans and other west indians had settled and the first race riots and problems started happening.

Now it's muslims as the evil foreigner.

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Your Je Suis Charlie banner is somewhat confusing... so you are for Muslims recruiting those willing to kill we "infidels"... or you are against them? Or, are you only against them when they shoot up specific journalist's offices in France...?

Or is your reasoning, or lack thereof, so infinitely chaotic that we are not meant to understand?

Please, do tell.

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truthatallcost said:

Europe Wakes Up To Prospect Of Female Terrorists : Parallels : NPR

Muslim men are enticing European women to convert to Islam, and some are being directed to join Isis. Is this what the great multicultural dream was about? Sounds more like a nightmare

Do you think European women will continue to marry Muslim men and convert, and possibly commit terror?

Thoughts?
Comments?

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The article is off as well as your conclusions.

It may not have been written well enough in the article, but the point we should be discussing is more that ISIS recruitment has zero limitation to "European women" only. In a general sense we have seen plenty of instances of men, women, old, young (even kids) end up committing acts of terror. At the same time we have seen acts of terror committed by and planned acts of terror by those of Middle Eastern nations, European nations, North Americans, many African nations, a few Asian nations, the list goes on.

The truth is ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc. all have fairly detailed and open across nations recruitment methods. There is some truth to migration and immigration changing the dynamics of where ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc. go to pull new recruits but it would be foolish to put a spotlight only on "European women" ignoring all others recruited or even why. We know that a powerful recruitment tool is the use of looking for those socially and/or even religiously vulnerable to a level of suggestion for alternate ideology.

The subject of multiculturalism is a difficult one to pin to this or any other one issue. I've always said a prerequisite of multiculturalism is that all cultures in the mix have to have an inherent respect for all other cultures in the mix. Religion is difficult enough to participate in this space as they all tend to want social order and social constructs influenced by governance to some degree, Islam may be the most difficult of the monotheistic faiths to participate in this space as it has a baked into the text method to handling governance over others.

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truthatallcost said:

Anytime someone responds with deliberately misspelled variations on the word 'Muslim', I know I'm in for some hacky shenanigans. You didn't break the mold.

I somehow think that if white, Christian men were traveling to Nigeria, and marrying native women in order to get them to join a terrorist group, you wouldn't treat the issue so flippantly.

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Gaugingcatenate said:

~ Please, do tell.

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It's not that hard really, the thread is basically an age old subject - different races now but the same irrational fear at the heart. Depending on your viewpoint, it's about protecting frail innocent and foolish white women from "brown people."

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OrphanSlug said:

The subject of multiculturalism is a difficult one to pin to this or any other one issue. I've always said a prerequisite of multiculturalism is that all cultures in the mix have to have an inherent respect for all other cultures in the mix.

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We could also question whether multiculturalism or ethnic diversity are even desirable (hint: they are not). As opposed to the USA, Europe still has this choice.

And we could wonder whether ethnic cohabitation can actually avoid systematically producing discrimination, segregation and armed conflicts. Historical data tend to show that it rarely goes well. Even the exceptions must be relativized as not so long ago the nearby village was far enough to limit interactions, which significantly eased cohabitation.

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This is very, very, very old news.

There have been female terrorists going back at least as far as The Algerian War of Independence. People like Joan of Arc and Boudicca don't really count as terrorists but they were both influential female war leaders.

Throughout the Cold War you had female members of groups like the Red Army Faction, the Red Brigades, the LTTE, FARC.....

The wives of Chechen guerillas took over a Moscow theater in 2002.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Widow_(Chechnya)

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Auvergnat said:

We could also question whether multiculturalism or ethnic diversity are even desirable (hint: they are not). As opposed to the USA, Europe still has this choice.

And we could wonder whether ethnic cohabitation can actually avoid systematically producing discrimination, segregation and armed conflicts. Historical data tend to show that it rarely goes well. Even the exceptions must be relativized as not so long ago the nearby village was far enough to limit interactions, which significantly eased cohabitation.

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All of that is up for debate.

The issue for this thread though is when the term "multiculturalism" is used and why. If we throw Islam under the bus and say it as a religion is inherently impossible to participate in multiculturalism then we have no choice but to examine all faith in terms of "acceptance of all other cultures in the mix." Some are more tolerant than others, but that does not remove the element of appealing to governance by group (or faction) as a means to instill social climate or standard.

All things considered, historically speaking humanity has always had problems with multiculturalism going back well before the term was even coined.

So where does that leave us for this thread? Probably in a very argumentative position about the role of systems of faith in any culture where many are present.

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Infinite Chaos said:

It's not that hard really, the thread is basically an age old subject - different races now but the same irrational fear at the heart. Depending on your viewpoint, it's about protecting frail innocent and foolish white women from "brown people."

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Sweet Jesus. Not je suis, but yeah, you got too much mess going up in there... no room for rationality it appears.

Good luck with all that. eace

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Gaugingcatenate said:

Sweet Jesus. Not je suis, but yeah, you got too much mess going up in there... no room for rationality it appears.

Good luck with all that. eace

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Yeah you too. Maybe next time we cross paths you can discuss the subject rather than my avatar or what you think is going on in my head. It is a debate site after all.

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Infinite Chaos said:

Yeah you too. Maybe next time we cross paths you can discuss the subject rather than my avatar or what you think is going on in my head. It is a debate site after all.

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LOL! Don't hold your breath.

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Infinite Chaos said:

It's not that hard really, the thread is basically an age old subject - different races now but the same irrational fear at the heart. Depending on your viewpoint, it's about protecting frail innocent and foolish white women from "brown people."

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You also seemed quite pleased with what went on in Rotherham as I recall. I'm not surprised by your reaction here.

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truthatallcost said:

You also seemed quite pleased with what went on in Rotherham as I recall. I'm not surprised by your reaction here.

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That is one of the stupidest comments I've ever read on this forum.

Show me where I was pleased 1400 white girls were raped? Show me where I was pleased about all the female muslim, sikh and other victims of rape?

You seem highly upset that your ridiculous thread has been shown up for exactly what it is, a nasty piece about the dangers of the mixing of races.

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Infinite Chaos said:

Yeah you too. Maybe next time we cross paths you can discuss the subject rather than my avatar or what you think is going on in my head. It is a debate site after all.

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Well, if you ever get around saying more than the gibberish dog pile you have left so far on this thread, perhaps so.

Based on what you have said up to this point regarding the OP topic, pure foolishness at best remotely tangential being the most kind statement one could make about it, I thought it best to try to determine what the hell you are even on about?

You really leave few clues beyond racist styled nonsense.

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Infinite Chaos said:

That is one of the stupidest comments I've ever read on this forum.

Show me where I was pleased 1400 white girls were raped? Show me where I was pleased about all the female muslim, sikh and other victims of rape?.........................~

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No worries, there's absolutely nobody that ever saw what was claimed.

Bar one, of course.:roll:

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Gaugingcatenate said:

Well, if you ever get around saying more than the gibberish dog pile you have left so far on this thread, perhaps so.

Based on what you have said up to this point regarding the OP topic, pure foolishness at best remotely tangential being the most kind statement one could make about it, I thought it best to try to determine what the hell you are even on about?

You really leave few clues beyond racist styled nonsense.

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I notice you've done nothing to address the thread, instead you've come and made a series of ad hominems. I take it you're a supporter of the idea of the dangers of inter racial mixing which is why you've taken such a hostile tone.

That or you really have no interest in debate and I happen to be today's poster you decide to insult?

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Infinite Chaos said:

I notice you've done nothing to address the thread, instead you've come and made a series of ad hominems. I take it you're a supporter of the idea of the dangers of inter racial mixing which is why you've taken such a hostile tone.

That or you really have no interest in debate and I happen to be today's poster you decide to insult?

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Actully I entered the thread asking you some fairly simple questions seeing as you had only posted what almost appears as random gibberish with, from what I could decipher [ I have yet to receive a Je Suis Charlie decoder ring ], no bearing whatsoever on the OP. That you have seemingly randomly pulled the racist card out of the deck is almost stultifyingly imbecilic in my view, so your posts seem to be getting less and less about much of anything worth debating.

So, I will repost here:

Gaugingcatenate said:

Your Je Suis Charlie banner is somewhat confusing... so you are for Muslims recruiting those willing to kill we "infidels"... or you are against them? Or, are you only against them when they shoot up specific journalist's offices in France...?

Or is your reasoning, or lack thereof, so infinitely chaotic that we are not meant to understand?

Please, do tell.

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This was a question that did not even incorporate just women, I asked you a question as, from my understanding, JSC is not Pro Muslim slaughter of innocents... but you seem to be defending the recruitment and be against anyone who might question it or ask what we should do as a proper response to such.

If you took that as an insult, so be it. That you responded to the OP in such an irrational manner, what is a rational person supposed to do with such a statement, regard it as normal?

Nah, crap should be so labeled. I am all for truth in labeling.

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truthatallcost said:

Anytime someone responds with deliberately misspelled variations on the word 'Muslim', I know I'm in for some hacky shenanigans. You didn't break the mold.

I somehow think that if white, Christian men were traveling to Nigeria, and marrying native women in order to get them to join a terrorist group, you wouldn't treat the issue so flippantly.

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You bring hacky shenanigans, you're going to get them batted back.

The Red Brigade were a seventies terrorist group who killed hundreds, and even kidnapped the Italian PM. A third of them were women.

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Infinite Chaos said:

That is one of the stupidest comments I've ever read on this forum.

Show me where I was pleased 1400 white girls were raped? Show me where I was pleased about all the female muslim, sikh and other victims of rape?

You seem highly upset that your ridiculous thread has been shown up for exactly what it is, a nasty piece about the dangers of the mixing of races.

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Multiple attempts at minimizing the importance of Rotherham can only lead to speculation about what's really behind the cover-up attempt.
You assumed that the intent I had for this thread was based around fears about miscegenation, right? Yet you don't see how one has cause to wonder about what's really behind your posts concerning Rotherham.
Might want to think about that.

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truthatallcost said:

~.................... Yet you don't see how one has cause to wonder about what's really behind your posts concerning Rotherham.

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except that you didn't express your "wondering" but

truthatallcost said:

You also seemed quite pleased with what went on in Rotherham as I recall. I'm not surprised by your reaction here.

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Might want to think about that.

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Yeah, why don't you do that?

Or, as the saying goes, either crap or get off the pot. The first consisting of having the guts to make the outright accusation with proof, the second of keeping the hell silent.

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OrphanSlug said:

The article is off as well as your conclusions.

It may not have been written well enough in the article, but the point we should be discussing is more that ISIS recruitment has zero limitation to "European women" only. In a general sense we have seen plenty of instances of men, women, old, young (even kids) end up committing acts of terror. At the same time we have seen acts of terror committed by and planned acts of terror by those of Middle Eastern nations, European nations, North Americans, many African nations, a few Asian nations, the list goes on.

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We've known that women have been recruited for jihad in predominantly Muslim countries for well over a decade. However, in light of recent developments that have seen many European women convert to Islam, with some joining Islamic terror groups, the subject of female European jihadis is a relevant topic for discussion:

In the past 10 years, some 100,000 British people have converted to Islam, of whom, some 3/4 are women, according to the latest statistics.

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Women & Islam: The rise and rise of the convert | The Independent

The truth is ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc. all have fairly detailed and open across nations recruitment methods. There is some truth to migration and immigration changing the dynamics of where ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc. go to pull new recruits but it would be foolish to put a spotlight only on "European women" ignoring all others recruited or even why. We know that a powerful recruitment tool is the use of looking for those socially and/or even religiously vulnerable to a level of suggestion for alternate ideology.

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The above link addressed the fact that they're seeing a trend of European feminists converting to Islam, for personal reasons. Our governments in the west actively promote many aspects of feminism. We may be setting up women to be vulnerable to joining these Islamic groups, if western feminism is leaving them unfulfilled and looking for a solution.

The subject of multiculturalism is a difficult one to pin to this or any other one issue.

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Not at all. Homogeneous nations, such as Japan, have no problems with Islamic terrorism, Muslim ghettos, migrant camps, foreigners committing sexual abuse against native women, etc, because they simply place the safety of their own citizens above any demand for multiculturalism. The simplest solution actually works the best in most cases.

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OrphanSlug said:

Some {religions} are more tolerant than others, but that does not remove the element of appealing to governance by group (or faction) as a means to instill social climate or standard.

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What if this governance durably and needlessly extends a harmful situation in favor of a short-term peace? Without multiculturalism, assimilation could ensue and could yield a durable peace and far less problems. Maybe it even inflates the problem by strengthening some identities that otherwise people would not care so much about, and may lead individuals to conform to stereotypical identities that can be harmful for them.

Moreover the multicultural peace is secured through political concessions. More precisely the majority concedes undesirable political decisions to the minority, usually to its most radical elements, in exchange for social peace. It may be appealing for the minority but not so appealing for the majority. Also this can nurture resentment and radicalism, both within the minority and the majority. As exemplified by Trump and the Afro-American secessionists.

Besides individuals' interests are usually larger than their ethnic groups' interests. Does a poor Afro-American from a little town in Louisiana really has the same needs as an Afro-American lawyer in NYC? At a time where unions and political parties are less and less trusted and seen as representative, I am suspicious of the relevancy of a governance through ethnic interest groups.

Finally, does multiculturalism even buy short-term peace? Are there less racial riots today than there were in the 80's in the USA? As for Islam in France, I can say the conflicts are a lot more frequent since the rise of Muslim activism. I wonder if the upcoming backlash will be worth the few more Mosques and halal meals in schools that radicals got.