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So Apparently Merkel Screw-Up BREXIT Too...

I don't care what anyone says, the vote was over immigration and freedom of movement. Unfortunately, people could not differentiate between the issues.

You really need to let this unhealthy obsession go. This is a thread about the Brexit and EU. You need to differentiate.
 
Define "good".

Merkel will not accept access to the common market without freedom of movement of people.

In other words, Merkel is an idiot that wants to destroy Europe.
 
Ironically the first reference I fell on was in the Daily Mail! Of course, thye were emphasising doom and disaster because "nearly half" of migrants were from the EU, ignoring the fact that most must therefore come from outside the EU. Brexit couldn't stop the "Muslim hordes", who don't come from Europe anyway.

You are indicative of the extreme left, who continuously bury their head in the sand. Many places in the UK have seen a disproportionate amount of non UK citizens, flood their cities, over the last 10 years. It started with Blair's disastrous open door policy of allowing unconstrained numbers of Eastern Europeans. This started the rot, in the minds of many. UKIP came from absolutely nothing because they spoke the language of 'ordinary people' who could see jobs, in an already competitive market, disappear before their eyes. You can argue many of these individuals were 'lazy' (as Pete suggests, contrary to popular belief) or uneducated, or the work force was less than fluid. Whatever your argument, you had masses of working class (traditional Labour) fully out of step with a metropolitan London elite (Messer's Balls/Milliband et al).

That said 'elite' continued with heads in the sand, and continually suggested: 'immigration is good for the UK economy' only felt like pouring petrol on an otherwise disastrous and out of control policy (thank you Blair). Add to the mix, mass movement of peoples from around the globe, and the message was still, 'immigration is good'! Opposition to losing your competitive edge for employment; being pushed further down on the housing ladder, waiting longer to see a doctor, not getting the school of choice, your high street changing beyond recognition, feeling isolated in your own country, boom! A lethal cocktail.

With such odds stacked against some members of society, then said group will find any way possible to kick back. In walks Cameron offering the country a vote to leave something that in the minds of many, is the gateway of all the ills they face (remember rationality has dispersed) the one chance to kick back. In step repeated reports of Muslim men systematically raping young girls, and sharing them with family and community members, then the whole situation breads a toxic atmosphere.

OF course, you won't recognize the above, but visit one of Labours heartlands and you'll see what impact migration has on certain communities. Coincidently, sitting on the beach recently in Crete I got talking to a family from Rotherham, the anger in their voices over what's gone on in their city was palpable and acute. No longer do 'white people' travel in taxies run by Pakistani drivers, eat or buy from their shops. How very sad it has come to this I thought. Striking, they finished the conversation by saying they "could not wait for the chance to vote out of Europe". Knowing you, and your ilk, you'll not understand this--on any level; hence Labour are in utter disarray and on the verge of melt down.

The working class a complicated lot :)
 
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