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France- 1/3 of Muslims Reject French Law in Favor of Sharia Law

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Just under 30 percent of France’s 3 to 4 million Muslims reject the country’s secular laws, according to an Ifop poll published by the French weekly Journal du Dimanche.

When asked if they considered the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia to be more important than the French Republic’s laws, 29 percent of respondents answered “yes.”


1/3 of Muslims in France admit to believing that Sharia Law should trump secular law. Is this troubling? What might it suggest about France's future, given the fact that 84% of French Muslims are under 50 years of age?

I believe this proves that full assimilation of Muslims into French culture is not possible.

Thoughts?
Comments?
Almost' '30' 'percent' 'of' 'French' 'Muslims' 'reject' 'secular' 'laws,' 'new' 'poll' 'finds' '-' 'France' '24
 
Of course it is terrifying. There is a mass global migration going around the world.

These mass migrants all bring with them a greater respect for their culture laws than the social laws of the area.

They cannot all be allowed to stay
 
1/3 of Muslims in France admit to believing that Sharia Law should trump secular law. Is this troubling? What might it suggest about France's future, given the fact that 84% of French Muslims are under 50 years of age?

I believe this proves that full assimilation of Muslims into French culture is not possible.

Thoughts?
Comments?
Almost' '30' 'percent' 'of' 'French' 'Muslims' 'reject' 'secular' 'laws,' 'new' 'poll' 'finds' '-' 'France' '24

The French have quite a problem in their midst. And the real problem is that the population is reacting in ways that are less than rational and pressing even moderate parties into rather populist policies to stop the FN from grabbing power.
 
Of course it is terrifying. There is a mass global migration going around the world.

These mass migrants all bring with them a greater respect for their culture laws than the social laws of the area.

They cannot all be allowed to stay

Let's see how the recent migration works out. The present French with migrant backgrounds have had a different sociological history than the new ones will have. And as we saw with the erstwhile immigrants it took two and more generations in the country, before the offspring became terrorists.
 
And so what? 3 million people in France, a population of 66 million..think that Sharia should trump French law?

1/5 of Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth.. stupidity happens in all societies.
 
So what the hell?

I happen to think that a certain bunch of posters merit having not only their posting rights revoked (on DP or anywhere else), but any internet privileges altogether.

Does it look to anyone as though I might be making any of those things happening?

Point being that I can hold whatever beliefs I want and even voice them within whatever rules govern where I am.

I can, Muslims can, any other idiot can.
 
And so what? 3 million people in France, a population of 66 million..think that Sharia should trump French law?

1/5 of Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth.. stupidity happens in all societies.

I doubt if all three million were asked.
 
1/3 of Muslims in France admit to believing that Sharia Law should trump secular law. Is this troubling?
It is extremely common to see Muslims violate the law or orders from their enterprises. Here is a not-so-uncommon sighting on Friday in several French places : Muslims occupying the streets in front of their Mosques, preventing cars to circulate. Sometimes they even have their own security people redirecting traffic. The leftist government lets this happen, I would rather send the cops charge and arrest everyone.

Prieres-de-rue-dans-le-XVIIIeme-arrondissement.jpg


The same thing is also happening elsewhere in Europe and North America (New York, Montreal). Recently a TV journalist also showed a french nurse/physician wearing a hijab despite the formal ban of religious signs for civil agents since 1901.
 
Let's see how the recent migration works out. The present French with migrant backgrounds have had a different sociological history than the new ones will have. And as we saw with the erstwhile immigrants it took two and more generations in the country, before the offspring became terrorists.
Most of our Muslims are French citizens, second to fourth generation. And they are worse than their ancestors. Their ancestors were religious moderates and kept a low profile, their descendants are much more religious, much more radicalized, and most have a militant and proselyte attitude.

We have three problems with them:
a) Strong proselytism, social pressures, intimidation and intolerance.
b) Retrograde cultural influence.
c) Terrorism and criminality.

The French have quite a problem in their midst. And the real problem is that the population is reacting in ways that are less than rational and pressing even moderate parties into rather populist policies to stop the FN from grabbing power.
We have a problem only because we welcomed more of them. The low estimations are 7% of our population, against 5% in UK and Germany, 3% for Canada, 1% for USA. Besides Germany got Turks, who are more often moderate than other Muslims. Note that those stats are much higher among the youth, especially urban youth (a third of high-schoolers in Paris' region), and much higher than the numbers from a few decades ago.


So, now, tell me, what is the smart policy to adopt when your population is divided into two ethnic groups who want different and unreconcilable civilization models? When the minority one is on the offensive to spread its religion and comprises a majority of far-right radicals who hate you and everyone else (Jews, gays, etc), and is radicalizing more and more every year. What do you do when millions of your citizens are now embracing a new far-right totalitarianism called Islam, as part of a global dynamic with many similarities with the rise of fascism and Nazism? What do you do when even your intelligence and moderate politicians start fearing a civil war? When Malek Boutih, former head of the main leftist party, talks about a "radical generation" and warns of a possible massive uprising?

I imagine you think it would be smart to offer compromises. No it is not. We tried that, it produced nothing, they immediately came up with new requests. We have violated our laws for them, our leftist governments even illegally funded Mosques for them, yet ti produced nothing. Why would a further submission change anything? Submission is not a warranty of peace, not even conversion to Islam would be. "Between shame and war, you did choose shame, you will get war."

There is however one thing we did not try yet: islamophobe policies and strength. Policies aimed to halt the rise of Islam and then make it recess over the upcoming decades. Less Islam, less problems. Maybe they will rebel and start a civil war. Then it will mean we never had the choice of peace anyway.
 
Most of our Muslims are French citizens, second to fourth generation. And they are worse than their ancestors. Their ancestors were religious moderates and kept a low profile, their descendants are much more religious, much more radicalized, and most have a militant and proselyte attitude.

We have three problems with them:
a) Strong proselytism, social pressures, intimidation and intolerance.
b) Retrograde cultural influence.
c) Terrorism and criminality.


We have a problem only because we welcomed more of them. The low estimations are 7% of our population, against 5% in UK and Germany, 3% for Canada, 1% for USA. Besides Germany got Turks, who are more often moderate than other Muslims. Note that those stats are much higher among the youth, especially urban youth (a third of high-schoolers in Paris' region), and much higher than the numbers from a few decades ago.


So, now, tell me, what is the smart policy to adopt when your population is divided into two ethnic groups who want different and unreconcilable civilization models? When the minority one is on the offensive to spread its religion and comprises a majority of far-right radicals who hate you and everyone else (Jews, gays, etc), and is radicalizing more and more every year. What do you do when millions of your citizens are now embracing a new far-right totalitarianism called Islam, as part of a global dynamic with many similarities with the rise of fascism and Nazism? What do you do when even your intelligence and moderate politicians start fearing a civil war? When Malek Boutih, former head of the main leftist party, talks about a "radical generation" and warns of a possible massive uprising?

I imagine you think it would be smart to offer compromises. No it is not. We tried that, it produced nothing, they immediately came up with new requests. We have violated our laws for them, our leftist governments even illegally funded Mosques for them, yet ti produced nothing. Why would a further submission change anything? Submission is not a warranty of peace, not even conversion to Islam would be. "Between shame and war, you did choose shame, you will get war."

There is however one thing we did not try yet: islamophobe policies and strength. Policies aimed to halt the rise of Islam and then make it recess over the upcoming decades. Less Islam, less problems. Maybe they will rebel and start a civil war. Then it will mean we never had the choice of peace anyway.

When I was in London, I had a number of pieds-noirs working for me, so I looked at the questions surrounding it. This was before the present problems with this wave of Arab terrorism, but your description sounds more or less, what I saw and heard and tends to confirm the a recent article in Foreign Affairs that took a look at the problem structure in France and the UK.
 
And so what? 3 million people in France, a population of 66 million..think that Sharia should trump French law?

1/5 of Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth.. stupidity happens in all societies.

Sharia Law condones what we in the West regard as terrorism. If you have 3 million people who agree that criticizing Islam is punishable by death, then you've got 3 million potential terrorists or terrorist supporters.

People who believe that the sun revolves around the earth may be uneducated, but they're not necessarily dangerous.
 
I doubt if all three million were asked.

The Muslim population in France is closer to 10,000,000, or roughly 1/6 of the population. If human reproduction trends continue on the path they're on, Muslims will make up a very significant portion of the population in France.

Generally, Muslim populations tend to have higher fertility rates (more children per woman) than non-Muslim populations.
The Future of the Global Muslim Population | Pew Research Center

The best that you can do is cross your fingers.
 
1/3 of Muslims in France admit to believing that Sharia Law should trump secular law. Is this troubling? What might it suggest about France's future, given the fact that 84% of French Muslims are under 50 years of age?

I believe this proves that full assimilation of Muslims into French culture is not possible.

Thoughts?
Comments?
Almost' '30' 'percent' 'of' 'French' 'Muslims' 'reject' 'secular' 'laws,' 'new' 'poll' 'finds' '-' 'France' '24

Agreed, you dont let in a group where 1/3 dont want to follow your laws. We should assume that the muslims coming to America have the same opinion, which means that they should not be here.

I say stop muslim immigration and study the matter.
 
So what the hell?

I happen to think that a certain bunch of posters merit having not only their posting rights revoked (on DP or anywhere else), but any internet privileges altogether.

Does it look to anyone as though I might be making any of those things happening?

Point being that I can hold whatever beliefs I want and even voice them within whatever rules govern where I am.

I can, Muslims can, any other idiot can.

Adherents of Sharia Law consider national law invalid if it doesn't conform to the words of Muhammad. Having 3,000,000 people dwelling in France who want to replace secular law with Islamic law is a major sign of discord, as well as a massive failure of attempts at assimilation of Muslims into French society.
 
Sharia Law condones what we in the West regard as terrorism.

Horse****. It comes down to interpretation and here Sharia Law is no different than the Bible.

If you have 3 million people who agree that criticizing Islam is punishable by death, then you've got 3 million potential terrorists or terrorist supporters.

So if you have 3 million hardcore Christians who believe that homosexuals should be killed, then you have 3 million potential murderes or terrorists?

People who believe that the sun revolves around the earth may be uneducated, but they're not necessarily dangerous.

LOL they are far more dangerous than most. Ignorance on this level lead to the dark ages and Christian religious wars that cost 10s of % of populations lives.
 
1/3 of Muslims in France admit to believing that Sharia Law should trump secular law. Is this troubling?
That isn’t what the question asked. It read “Is Islamic Law (Sharia) more important that the law of the Republic?”. With no further context, that question is very open to interpretation. I suspect lots of religious people of various faiths would say that their religious laws are “more important” than national temporal laws but that isn’t the same as saying the religion should trump secular laws in practice (though I’m sure some other religious people would like that too).

That isn’t to say that there are no problems and this doesn’t need further questions but this kind of extreme interpretation of a single, poorly worded question can only serve to stir up further unnecessary division (which was probably the whole point of course).

I believe this proves that full assimilation of Muslims into French culture is not possible.
That depends what you mean by “full assimilation”. On the basis of the principles behind this thread, I’d suggest people like devout Catholics or Hassidic Jews couldn’t be “assimilated” in to French culture either.
 
The Muslim population in France is closer to 10,000,000, or roughly 1/6 of the population.
No, they amount from 7% to 10% of the overall population.

However it is true their numbers are rising, and their concentration is higher among the youth and in urban areas. They amount to a third of the high-schoolers in Paris' region! And some cities are already dominantly Muslim.


So if you have 3 million hardcore Christians who believe that homosexuals should be killed, then you have 3 million potential murderes or terrorists?
First of all they are concentrated in some areas and in those areas they do enforce their morale order. You should ask yourself why you let this happen, why you do nothing to protect those oppressed by Islam. They are many and they are mostly brown, forced to conform to the orders of militant Muslims in Muslim cities. There, brown people do not have the choice to not be Muslim - refusing is a life-threatening fight for you and your relatives.

Second of all a party needs all parliamentary seats it can to garner a majority. And many cities can no longer be won without Muslim votes. This is why you see socialists everywhere illegally funding Muslim schools and Mosques, and why the right-wing hesitates to oppose islamization because they know Muslims will eventually vote for them (or rather for Muslim parties with whom they will ally).

Third of all, even if you thought that this far-right, so radical that it makes the FN looks like a bunch of 68ers, poses no problems, you should still ask yourself why you insist to import them, and so massively. A third of Paris' regions high-schoolers is not enough? How many is enough? How many Islamic far-right totalitarians must we have to please you?
 
That isn’t to say that there are no problems and this doesn’t need further questions but this kind of extreme interpretation of a single, poorly worded question can only serve to stir up further unnecessary division (which was probably the whole point of course).
While you are right to criticize their methodology, this poll was actually made to provide a good image of Muslims by a pro-Muslim think tank, and support the leftist stances before the presidential race.

Many questions were avoided (or not reported) and, more importantly, no control factor was used! Ordinarily when you ask people about radical opinions, they lie. Having to multiply the actual answers by 2 or 3 is common. Here they do not have control factors and they did not use Arab interviewers to try to offset this.

They concluded that a third are "ultras" (sic). But this is an misrepresentation and understatement of the problems. The reality is different and worse in terms of ethnic gap and widespread radicalization, and their negative dynamics. Do not project your vision of Afro-Americans on European Muslims, those are very different stories: around the world Islam is turning into a far-right totalitarianism.
 
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Adherents of Sharia Law consider national law invalid if it doesn't conform to the words of Muhammad. Having 3,000,000 people dwelling in France who want to replace secular law with Islamic law is a major sign of discord, as well as a massive failure of attempts at assimilation of Muslims into French society.
............and what does that have to do with what I said in my post?

They can consider as many laws invalid as they feel like doing, let 'em break just one and "wham" That's not even addressing how 3 million (if all of them are indeed of the position you claim) can change any law in a country of 66 million.
 
The Muslim population in France is closer to 10,000,000, or roughly 1/6 of the population. If human reproduction trends continue on the path they're on, Muslims will make up a very significant portion of the population in France.


The Future of the Global Muslim Population | Pew Research Center

The best that you can do is cross your fingers.
Are you actually prone to read your own stuff now and again?

Before posting it with your particular understanding of what it says?
 
............and what does that have to do with what I said in my post?

They can consider as many laws invalid as they feel like doing, let 'em break just one and "wham" That's not even addressing how 3 million (if all of them are indeed of the position you claim) can change any law in a country of 66 million.

3 milliins in 66 is a large 5th column. I think that they have already changed the country and they would really rock the boat, if they coordinated. Acid and knife hit and run attacks to punish evil and the like would be hard on the citizens.
 
Are you actually prone to read your own stuff now and again?

Before posting it with your particular understanding of what it says?

7.5 million is closer to 10 million than 3 million. Agree?
 
They can consider as many laws invalid as they feel like doing, let 'em break just one and "wham" That's not even addressing how 3 million (if all of them are indeed of the position you claim) can change any law in a country of 66 million.

How many Mohammed Bouhlel's does it take to bring the French people into submission? We may find out in our lifetime.
France better hope their economy doesn't falter, they need those welfare payments to keep pacifying potential jihadists.
 
I think you're all forgetting that france has a constitution which protects religious freedom and that shariah law is just plain impossible in that country. It is projected that Islam will consist of 15% of europe's population in 2100; that's not enough to change most countries' constitutions to enable shariah law. Of course, that statistic assumes that muslims will continue to migrate into Europe at the current rate (chances are that it will decrease after things begin to settle down in war torn countries).
 
7.5 million is closer to 10 million than 3 million. Agree?
The point here is that not even the link you supplied stated what you said it did. Try to deflect from that a much as you want, it ain't working.

PEW doesn't even show the figure you're pulling out of yer hat (and I hope only from there) in its forecast for 2030.

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