How Vladimir Putin Feeds Europe’s Rabid Right

How Vladimir Putin Feeds Europe’s Rabid Right


The Kremlin, which brooks no separatism in the Russian Federation, is encouraging it all over Europe....



European far-right über-nationalist political party's aligned with Moscow

The far Right's success has been generated by an overflow of refugees generated by US/NATO policies in Libya and Syria. The US/NATO have bombed the hell out of Libya and saved that Nation from peace and prosperity to a Nation of chaos, destruction and death. US supported rebels/ISIS/al Qeda in Syria have done the same thing to that Nation. As long as the EU is a member of NATO, they are responsible for the detritus/refugees generated by their acquiessenece to NATO poliicies. The Ukraine was a CIA generated coup d'etat and EU citizens know that. The USA generated smoke screen to conceal current realities is slipping, don't ya' know?

DaveFagan said:

The far Right's success has been generated by an overflow of refugees generated by US/NATO policies in Libya and Syria. The US/NATO have bombed the hell out of Libya and saved that Nation from peace and prosperity to a Nation of chaos, destruction and death. US supported rebels/ISIS/al Qeda in Syria have done the same thing to that Nation. As long as the EU is a member of NATO, they are responsible for the detritus/refugees generated by their acquiessenece to NATO poliicies. The Ukraine was a CIA generated coup d'etat and EU citizens know that. The USA generated smoke screen to conceal current realities is slipping, don't ya' know?

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Proof, Dave. Proof.

There is none, which is why your theories fall apart, but you might want to find some.

Tigerace117 said:

Proof, Dave. Proof.

There is none, which is why your theories fall apart, but you might want to find some.

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I see. Once again you cannot disprove anything I have stated. The burden of proof is upon you. NATO bombed Libya. NATO Nations have invaded Syria (Turkey, USA, etc.). Most refugees are from those destroyed Nations.

DaveFagan said:

The far Right's success has been generated by an overflow of refugees generated by US/NATO policies in Libya and Syria. The US/NATO have bombed the hell out of Libya and saved that Nation from peace and prosperity to a Nation of chaos, destruction and death. US supported rebels/ISIS/al Qeda in Syria have done the same thing to that Nation. As long as the EU is a member of NATO, they are responsible for the detritus/refugees generated by their acquiessenece to NATO poliicies. The Ukraine was a CIA generated coup d'etat and EU citizens know that. The USA generated smoke screen to conceal current realities is slipping, don't ya' know?

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true..

DaveFagan said:

I see. Once again you cannot disprove anything I have stated. The burden of proof is upon you. NATO bombed Libya. NATO Nations have invaded Syria (Turkey, USA, etc.). Most refugees are from those destroyed Nations.

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Libya wasn't particularly peaceful or prosperous, particularly if you were a Tuareg or somebody else Gaddafi decided he didn't like today. His "diplomats" conducted more than one terrorist attack in the West during the Cold War. The man was hardly some peaceful democrat.

The US doesn't support either AQ or ISIS. Nor are AQ and ISIS the same thing; the two groups are fighting each other. The US is also bombing ISIS.

Simpleχity;1066382887 said:

How Vladimir Putin Feeds Europe’s Rabid Right


The Kremlin, which brooks no separatism in the Russian Federation, is encouraging it all over Europe....

European far-right über-nationalist political party's aligned with Moscow

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You forgot to mention other feeds that have helped him harm us and the Europeans badly in the past. For instance Schröder, who made Germany dependent on Russian gas and stood with Putin in support of Saddam and so effected the US invasion received a high placed job in a company Putin controls. He also feeds the European public (as well as other countries' populations) with a steady flow of propaganda, populism and falsehoods to destroy the fabric of Western strength. It is really rather a danger and we should be thinking about how to counter it.

The problem is that we are bad at explaining, why we do things and why some things that look horrible at first blush are exactly the ones that need doing in spite of the resentment they cause. We also must be more honest in the West. If you take the Front National, UKIP or even the AfD and look at the reasons behind their popular acceptance, you find that some of the complaints are completely valid especially from the point of view of the more marginalized parts of the populations. The traditional parties all promised the benefits of social democracy like safe pensions and highest medical standards or justified the EU with peace in Europe and free movement as well as a high living standard for all, if the Euro was implemented; Europe would be the heart of rule of law and its peoples would be protected and rich. All of these promises and more are proving untenable and are collapsing leaving random but large numbers of citizens destitute and floundering for breath. People are realizing that the politicians and parties were less mistaken in the promises they made than just plain lying for the votes. Etc etc etc.

In the States we see videos of cops shooting Blacks with their hands in the air, see kids shoot up their schools or see street people wandering. We hear of gangs selling crack or worse to our kids, read that the prison population is humongous and see old traditional values diminished and wiped away by judges with long explanations nobody can understand. You can't say things that were perfectly normal a few years ago and in marriage you no longer do the 'Till death' thing but have it in serial and with partners of any pleasure. Children pull the resulting single parents into povery and a cycle of social programs unless you are careful and get them aborted before they can wreck their damage.
Parts of the population not understanding the reasons and logic are finding that a policy mix of trade and international security has profited the nationals of other countries, while the lower end of our population has been languishing and feels it has lagged others at their costs. They are being told by people like BLM, Trump, Sanders and others that there is a quick fix in socialism, trade restrictions or prayer depending on the demagogue of taste.

In this constellation the Russians and other parties find and are exploiting. We are fools to let it happen.

Tigerace117 said:

Proof, Dave. Proof.

There is none, which is why your theories fall apart, but you might want to find some.

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a teenager knows it better than anyone else,good..

Medusa said:

a teenager knows it better than anyone else,good..

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I certainly can tell what's clearly bull****, and those claims are clearly bull****.

Tigerace117 said:

I certainly can tell what's clearly bull****, and those claims are clearly bull****.

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it does not become bull**** just because a teenager does not want to believe,read and learn more before posting

Medusa said:

it does not become bull**** just because a teenager does not want to believe,read and learn more before posting

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No, it becomes bull**** because there's no proof.

The United States is bombing ISIS. The United States isn't supporting ISIS. The two things are mutually exclusive.

Fagan *never* presents any proof. All you get is word-salad conspiracy gobleygoop.

Medusa said:

true..

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Turkey speaks up? The land of Erdogan and Armenian/Kurdish genocide?

Simpleχity;1066382887 said:

How Vladimir Putin Feeds Europe’s Rabid Right

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How is it that, with Russia is in such an economic mess, Tsar Vladimir seems to have the support of the bulk of the Russian people?

They're not hurting enough yet economically?

And it is not going to go away. The lowering of petroleum-product prices is almost certainly permanent. So the "free-ride" is over - the only truly remunerative resource they had has been purloined by Tsar Vladimir's cohorts in crime - and since a good long while.

There is no-way-out for the Russian people except by improving their internal economic structure. Russia has a significantly large population so Demand is there - but the investment on production infrastructure is lacking.

Of course, Tsar Vladimir can show off his Military Might all around the world. But at one helluva cost - because the money spent cannot be used for improving the economy. (Besides, who would really care to attack and occupy Russia? Not even China.)

I can't imagine what his "game" is. Or perhaps he's just bored ... ?
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Lafayette said:

How is it that, with Russia is in such an economic mess, Tsar Vladimir seems to have the support of the bulk of the Russian people?

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There are many traditional/contemporary reasons. It would require a decent size book to explain the Putin phenomena.