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Hungarian government over-cocky .....referendum fails

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No English language source that I can find as yet, but Austrian TV shows the referendum on acceptance (actually against acceptance) of EU quotas of refugees to country to have failed.

For a rejection of such a quota the referendum would have required at least an overall participation of voters of 50 pct.

Turnout came to 45 pct, missing the mark completely and quite irrespectively of how the vote (still to be counted) turns out.

Looks like Orban doesn't have the support he thought he did.
 
Chagos said:
No English language source that I can find as yet, but Austrian TV shows the referendum on acceptance (actually against acceptance) of EU quotas of refugees to country to have failed.

For a rejection of such a quota the referendum would have required at least an overall participation of voters of 50 pct.

Turnout came to 45 pct, missing the mark completely and quite irrespectively of how the vote (still to be counted) turns out.

Looks like Orban doesn't have the support he thought he did.
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True. Very true, but: Hungary votes no to migrant quotas but low turnout could scupper referendum, polls suggest -but what does that mean for the rest of Europe? 
 
It's practically certain that Orban is going to ignore this failure anyway and will proceed as planned.

As to 92 pct having voted "no" (as is the proud claim), in a recent election that I conducted all by myself, I constituted the sole voter, thus showed a participation of 100 % by turning up and my vote got 100 % support.

I won't say how I voted and not what on, seeing how it was a secret election.:mrgreen:
 
Orban and his nazi goons have been pushing for a no, and there has been next to no coverage of the yes side... since Orban and his nazi goons control the media. But I find it laughable that they could not even fix the referendum correctly and get 50.1% turn out..
 
THE MIGRANTS ARE A BOON TO THE EU ECONOMY

What this vote shows is the puerility of the eastern-Europe countries recently admitted to the EU. Perhaps too hastily in fact.

The Economist put the problem far better in a recent infographic:
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The fact that the EU is not adding historically to its workforce means, quite simply, it is begging for economic decline. A workforce is the "engine" to any economy. Firstly because it produces the goods/services that an economy consumes - but equally important, if not more so, is the fact that the workforce earns income with which it Consumes.

That basic dichotomy is essential in any functioning economic system.

Without consumption, Demand (in the Supply & Demand equation) goes nowhere (and probably downwards). Consumption is therefore the Economic Engine of any economy and it depends, ipso facto, upon a Demand-centered economy. With fewer and fewer consumers earning decent incomes, there is insufficient Demand with which to advance an economy.

Though it is difficult to perceive immediately, due to the sudden shock of the incoming migrants, they can and will be a boon and not bane to the EU economy. A country with a closed mentality that cannot accept some basic economic principles is destined to failure.

Wakey, wakey ...
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I love how everyone dismisses that the vast majority of voters refused the refugees imposed by the EU, how everyone points fingers at media manipulation and claim this is a defeat for Orban. I.e. a victory for the EU and refugees of course.

Which inevitably proves that the EU is right to impose refugees. Doesn't it?

Do not mind me, please go back to supporting your Reich. Orban may be a conservative authoritarian; but the European authoritarianism and your McCarthyist political repression are no better.
 
Auvergnat said:
I love how everyone dismisses that the vast majority of voters refused the refugees imposed by the EU,
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I love how YOU dismiss the fact that the vast majority of voters didn't even turn up :roll:
how everyone points fingers at media manipulation and claim this is a defeat for Orban. I.e. a victory for the EU and refugees of course.
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On the issue of EU victory, no idea where you read that but it's pointed out pretty early in this thread that the whole thing makes no difference whatsoever.

And while you're on the cart of asinine accusations, perhaps you might want to cite anyone of the EU or even anyone on here having voiced such an interpretation.

As to Orban trying (and not just trying) to take over the national media, perhaps you should educate yourself on current conditions in Hungary before spouting forth upon what you are clearly ignorant of.

Which inevitably proves that the EU is right to impose refugees. Doesn't it?
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Are you asking, making a statement, voicing an opinion or just ranting?

Do not mind me,........~
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Don't worry, I won't. To the point of not giving what follows any more time
 
Chagos said:
It's practically certain that Orban is going to ignore this failure anyway and will proceed as planned.

As to 92 pct having voted "no" (as is the proud claim), in a recent election that I conducted all by myself, I constituted the sole voter, thus showed a participation of 100 % by turning up and my vote got 100 % support.

I won't say how I voted and not what on, seeing how it was a secret election.:mrgreen:
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PeteEU said:
Orban and his nazi goons have been pushing for a no, and there has been next to no coverage of the yes side... since Orban and his nazi goons control the media. But I find it laughable that they could not even fix the referendum correctly and get 50.1% turn out..
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Well the opposition campaigned for people not to vote, to stay away from the polling stations, so I'm guessing they won by 55-45%. Unsurprisingly, given that Orban isn't exactly one of Europe's great democrats, he'll carry on regardless. I wonder if the EU are ever going to take action against him.
 
Andalublue said:
Well the opposition campaigned for people not to vote, to stay away from the polling stations, so I'm guessing they won by 55-45%.
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More like 60 to 40, what with final participation having been counted at below 40 pct and 95 pct of votes made there having been according to Orban's desire. But that's just maths, we don't know what the tally from a higher percentage of participation would have been, seeing how it didn't occur.

That said and following up on
Unsurprisingly, given that Orban isn't exactly one of Europe's great democrats, he'll carry on regardless. I wonder if the EU are ever going to take action against him.
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I reckon everybody is wondering that (the bolded).

From what I can gather the EU didn't pay all that much heed to the whole thing, one way or the other, ongoing deliberations over how to sanction the persistent behaviour of Orban's lot having found neither interruption nor any conclusion worth mentioning (so far).

No butt-kicking instruments were ever considered at the time of Hungary's entry and those now considering such an option have a bit of a problem with having shelved any existing instruments when it came to their own interests.

That makes everybody else's stance kind of smelly, even where they broke "mere" economic parameters and were not trying to shove overall democracy South. Like Orban is obviously hell bent on doing.
 
Andalublue said:
I wonder if the EU are ever going to take action against him.
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A good question. Problem is that there is no clear definition of democracy according to international law or EU law. So unless he specifically starts targeting minorities or bans opposition parties, then there aint much the EU can do. All 26 other member nations would have to agree, and Hungary has some allies in for example Poland that wont let that happen.
 
PeteEU said:
A good question. Problem is that there is no clear definition of democracy according to international law or EU law. So unless he specifically starts targeting minorities or bans opposition parties, then there aint much the EU can do. All 26 other member nations would have to agree, and Hungary has some allies in for example Poland that wont let that happen.
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As you say, needing all 26 to agree will mean zero chance of anything productive happening.
 
PeteEU said:
So unless he specifically starts targeting minorities or bans opposition parties, then there aint much the EU can do.
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Not even then. Remember Thatcher banned Sínn Féin from the media and the EU did nothing.
 
Andalublue said:
Not even then. Remember Thatcher banned Sínn Féin from the media and the EU did nothing.
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What, Sinn Fein the terrorist organisation.
 
gunner said:
Not during the troubles. It was made up of terrorist, fact.
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I love it when partisans state a contention followed by 'Fact!' As if that made it so. :lamo

Word: It never does.
 
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Andalublue said:
Not even then. Remember Thatcher banned Sínn Féin from the media and the EU did nothing.
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Yes but at the time they were a terrorist linked organisation... so that does not count. I am talking about outright banning all parties.
 
PeteEU said:
Yes but at the time they were a terrorist linked organisation... so that does not count. I am talking about outright banning all parties.
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Not for Andy, in his eyes they were good old freedom fighters.
 
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