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Brexit begins: Theresa May takes axe to EU laws

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Brexit begins: Theresa May takes axe to EU laws

Brexit begins: Theresa May takes axe to EU laws
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I just raised this within another thread, though siting another national publication (Express). Further, contrary to many opinions, the negotiating of terms had already started, and it did not need to execute article 50 to do so.
 
PeteEU said:
May to announce that all EU law is to be kept on Brexit and only gradually reviewed and repealed - ITV News


Oh the contradictions and lies by the British press... and the chaos of the British government.
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Brexit: May to introduce EU repeal act in Queen's Speech

Brexit: May to introduce EU repeal act in Queen's Speech - BBC News
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The above link is to BBC News, and the BBC had long been accused of pro-EU BIAS. Needless to say, I would be surprised if any surf of the net fail to find any mention of this, as this news is spreading like wildfire right across the net.

I would also like to mention something many people do not know or understand. North America was a British colony for over 200 years, and there still remains a number of laws from those days that remain to this day. The reason I mention this is that the UK will have the same problem, and PM May found a way round it, which gives the British Parliament plenty of time to repeal or keep any EU laws, which would take more than a decade to sift through.
 
The Great Repeal Bill is a dreadful name for a piece of legislation. I think there's an element of hoping they can hide the fact that they haven't got a clue what's going to happen by hiding behind a slogan.
 
Idiocy!!!

What this has to do with invoking article 50 or not needing to, let alone showing that negotiations of Brexit terms have already started despite article 50 first needing to be invoked, is an interpretation as idiotic as the whole affair.
 
Chagos said:
What this has to do with invoking article 50 or not needing to, let alone showing that negotiations of Brexit terms have already started despite article 50 first needing to be invoked, is an interpretation as idiotic as the whole affair.
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Evil Britishmen who dare to defend their interest! The article 50 is pretty clear: first you put their head under the axe, then you beg for mercy. How dare they FIRST negotiate, have they no respect for the European treaties?!

Sarcasm aside, the UK does exactly what they have to do: wreck the EU from the inside until they get fair terms, and then do the only sensible thing a country can do after its independence: start from the existing laws, because no one can do or want to do a legal big bang. When France will leave the EU, I expect us to do the same.

Nevermind Chagos, feel free to continue; your incessant outraged outcries do amuse me.
 
Auvergnat said:
Evil Britishmen who dare to defend their interest! The article 50 is pretty clear: first you put their head under the axe, then you beg for mercy. How dare they FIRST negotiate, have they no respect for the European treaties?!

Sarcasm aside, the UK does exactly what they have to do: wreck the EU from the inside until they get fair terms, and then do the only sensible thing a country can do after its independence: start from the existing laws, because no one can do or want to do a legal big bang. When France will leave the EU, I expect us to do the same.

Nevermind Chagos, feel free to continue; your incessant outraged outcries do amuse me.
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The process is that you invoke article 50 and that then leads to the start of a negotiated settlement; It is in the articles of the treaty signed by the British government so it should come as no surprise. It is not the fault of anyone other than the conservatives that the British government rolled the dice on a referendum in order to solve an internal dispute that threatened to split their party; they put party before country. Regardless, we now have an ambivalent PM and a regretful minister dragging their heels when they previously declared that Brexit means Brexit. That is what we have been told so they need to stop dragging their heels, put their money where their mouths are and push the button. Go on punks, make our day!

Labour may be in a bit of disarray at the moment but, at least they didn't cross their fingers and put our whole economy on 32 red in order to solve their party problems.
 
William Rea said:
The process is that you invoke article 50 and that then leads to the start of a negotiated settlement; It is in the articles of the treaty signed by the British government so it should come as no surprise. It is not the fault of anyone other than the conservatives that the British government rolled the dice on a referendum in order to solve an internal dispute that threatened to split their party; they put party before country. Regardless, we now have an ambivalent PM and a regretful minister dragging their heels when they previously declared that Brexit means Brexit. That is what we have been told so they need to stop dragging their heels, put their money where their mouths are and push the button. Go on punks, make our day!
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I understand that you are angry about some of your compatriots and politicians over internal Brexit disputes, but from now on the future of YOUR country is at stake and you certainly do understand that delaying the invocation of the article 50 until after the negotiations are completed is the best for your country. So why bash your politicians about something you know is good and why ask them to put your country at the mercy of other Euroepan leaders who desire to make an example out of you?

Are bitterness and petty political and personal considerations worth destroying your own country in your eyes?
 
Auvergnat said:
...Are bitterness and petty political and personal considerations worth destroying your own country in your eyes?
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You're asking the wrong person, if you remember it was the conservatives that felt that the bitterness and petty political and personal considerations were worth it when they decided to put our economy on 32 red and spun the wheel. Why this sudden rush of rationality after the fact? Brexit means Brexit, the rules that we signed up for are no negotiation before article 50 so, the country has spoken, get on with it. I want the Brexit that you told me we would get if the vote went leave.
 
William Rea said:
You're asking the wrong person, if you remember it was the conservatives that felt that the bitterness and petty political and personal considerations were worth it when they decided to put our economy on 32 red and spun the wheel. Why this sudden rush of rationality after the fact? Brexit means Brexit, the rules that we signed up for are no negotiation before article 50 so, the country has spoken, get on with it. I want the Brexit that you told me we would get if the vote went leave.
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Once again delaying the article 50 is simply and undeniably the best negotiation strategy for brexit. And you know it. This is not a change of mind, this is not a denial of the referendum, this is Brexit, the efficient way. And you know it.

You are angered and it makes you behave like a capricious child. It makes you insist that your country must suicide! The hell?! And you use a petty and fallacious argument to claim your country is obliged to do so: nothing in the treaties ban your country to negotiate before triggering article 50. And even if it has been you would not suicide based on an incidental point in a 600p contract you signed twenty years ago, and you should not ask this to your country. Moreover you claim that they are betraying their word to leave the EU, which they are not as you very well know, while criticizing them for doing so.

I believe you are ordinarily a rational man but this anger is rendering you stupid. I can sympathize but you should not, for any reason, desire your country to suicide to give a lesson to anyone. Period! You lost the vote, now get over it it and hope the best for your country in this context.
 
Theresa May to trigger article 50 by end of March 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...o-propose-great-repeal-bill-to-unwind-eu-laws
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I noted that Article 50 continues to be considered an important part of Brexit, so the above may answer the question of when it will be activated. However, I believe its importance is overrated by some. All the UK need do to terminate its EU membership is repeal the European Communities Act 1972, but that would create problems for other member states that will also need time to adjust the UK leaving the block.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
The above link is to BBC News, and the BBC had long been accused of pro-EU BIAS. Needless to say, I would be surprised if any surf of the net fail to find any mention of this, as this news is spreading like wildfire right across the net.

I would also like to mention something many people do not know or understand. North America was a British colony for over 200 years, and there still remains a number of laws from those days that remain to this day. The reason I mention this is that the UK will have the same problem, and PM May found a way round it, which gives the British Parliament plenty of time to repeal or keep any EU laws, which would take more than a decade to sift through.
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No the BBC tells the actual truth, as does ITV News. They say the same story. You are spreading bull**** in your Express link, which is full of the usual inaccuracies from an anti-EU/anti-Euro/anti-World racist publication.

Certain things have to happen during this Brexit and May knows this.

1) The European Communities Act of 1972 has to be removed from the statute books.. that would happen regardless. But the UK cant do that before it leaves the EU, let alone before it triggers Brexit. So why it is such a sensational news for the Express I dont know.. Maybe it is the intelligence of its readers that is the clue.

2) Existing EU law will be enshrined in British law.. which it already is...This means that EU law will continue to be the rule of the land even after the UK leaves the EU. (thats got to hurt for the xenophobic Brexiters)

3) EU law will be reviewed over time and repealed if need be. Chances are most EU law will remain, as it was already existing law before the EU harmonized it across the EU.

So what she is going to announce is the bare minimum of what the world needs to know and it will cause a civil war to break out within the government and party yet again. I would not be surprised if you saw resignations over it.. especially over the "enshrined in British law" part. Will it help on the uncertainty? Hell no. Only thing that would help here, is if she also announced that the UK will remain within the common market at all costs...which wont happen since her minister for such things, is against the common market.
 
PeteEU said:
No the BBC tells the actual truth, as does ITV News. They say the same story. You are spreading bull**** in your Express link, which is full of the usual inaccuracies from an anti-EU/anti-Euro/anti-World racist publication.

Certain things have to happen during this Brexit and May knows this.

1) The European Communities Act of 1972 has to be removed from the statute books.. that would happen regardless. But the UK cant do that before it leaves the EU, let alone before it triggers Brexit. So why it is such a sensational news for the Express I dont know.. Maybe it is the intelligence of its readers that is the clue.

2) Existing EU law will be enshrined in British law.. which it already is...This means that EU law will continue to be the rule of the land even after the UK leaves the EU. (thats got to hurt for the xenophobic Brexiters)

3) EU law will be reviewed over time and repealed if need be. Chances are most EU law will remain, as it was already existing law before the EU harmonized it across the EU.

So what she is going to announce is the bare minimum of what the world needs to know and it will cause a civil war to break out within the government and party yet again. I would not be surprised if you saw resignations over it.. especially over the "enshrined in British law" part. Will it help on the uncertainty? Hell no. Only thing that would help here, is if she also announced that the UK will remain within the common market at all costs...which wont happen since her minister for such things, is against the common market.
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Brexit: PM to trigger Article 50 by end of March



Brexit: PM to trigger Article 50 by end of March - BBC News

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Auvergnat said:
Evil Britishmen who dare to defend their interest! The article 50 is pretty clear: first you put their head under the axe, then you beg for mercy. How dare they FIRST negotiate, have they no respect for the European treaties?!

Sarcasm aside, the UK does exactly what they have to do: wreck the EU from the inside until they get fair terms, and then do the only sensible thing a country can do after its independence: start from the existing laws, because no one can do or want to do a legal big bang. When France will leave the EU, I expect us to do the same.

Nevermind Chagos, feel free to continue; your incessant outraged outcries do amuse me.
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What is not all that amusing is your seeming propensity for misunderstanding issues and processes, not to mention contents of posts you quote.

What the heck does anything in your above rant have to do with the Brexit proceedings? Or negotiations between UK and EU as to what comes after article 50 is invoked?

Try to focus, eh?
 
PeteEU said:
Yes and? Article 50 is only the trigger.. then comes the "fun" part of negotiations and that has a limit of 2 years.. then the UK, once it is out, then it can start repealing EU laws and whatever they want at home. It is not hard to understand is it?
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You clearly did not read all my posts on previous page. No matter, and moving on, is the UK Parliament sovereign? :2wave:
 
Phoenix One UK said:
You clearly did not read all my posts on previous page. No matter, and moving on, is the UK Parliament sovereign? :2wave:
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I did and am answering it now.

I noted that Article 50 continues to be considered an important part of Brexit, so the above may answer the question of when it will be activated. However, I believe its importance is overrated by some. All the UK need do to terminate its EU membership is repeal the European Communities Act 1972, but that would create problems for other member states that will also need time to adjust the UK leaving the block.
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So you believe you can just leave a marriage and piss on the kids without actually getting a divorce? Just walk out the door and have no consequences?

You do understand that article 50 is there to make the divorce as painless as possible, but negotiating many things before the finalization right? That if you just left, then you would be blocked off from the EU and Europe and most likely be seen as untrustworthy across the planet... because how can you trust a country that walks away from its obligations and isolates it self like that?

As for your comment about the UK parliament being sovereign.. it always has been. However it is no more sovereign than the international agreements it has bound it self too.. this includes NATO, UN, European Human Rights Convention and of course the EU.
 
Baltim said:
The Great Repeal Bill is a dreadful name for a piece of legislation. I think there's an element of hoping they can hide the fact that they haven't got a clue what's going to happen by hiding behind a slogan.
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I'm just glad we have May, because I could envisage a far bigger balls up if one of the pro-leave buffoons was in charge!
 
PeteEU said:
I did and am answering it now.



So you believe you can just leave a marriage and piss on the kids without actually getting a divorce? Just walk out the door and have no consequences?

You do understand that article 50 is there to make the divorce as painless as possible, but negotiating many things before the finalization right? That if you just left, then you would be blocked off from the EU and Europe and most likely be seen as untrustworthy across the planet... because how can you trust a country that walks away from its obligations and isolates it self like that?

As for your comment about the UK parliament being sovereign.. it always has been. However it is no more sovereign than the international agreements it has bound it self too.. this includes NATO, UN, European Human Rights Convention and of course the EU.
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Parliamentary sovereignty

Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Generally, the courts cannot overrule its legislation and no Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change. Parliamentary sovereignty is the most important part of the UK constitution.

Parliament link: Parliamentary sovereignty - UK Parliament
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Huff and puff all you like Pete, but the fact remains that the UK Parliament remains sovereign, and no action by previous Parliament can bind the actions of any future Parliament. Translated that means the European Communities Act 1972 can be repealed by Parliament, which would result in taking the UK out of the EU, and it does not require invoking Article 50 to do it. once the European Communities Act 1972 is repealed, the UK membership of EU ends.

Now, if you will excuse me, I have a dinner engagement. Catch you later. :2wave:
 
Auvergnat said:
Once again delaying the article 50 is simply and undeniably the best negotiation strategy for brexit. And you know it. This is not a change of mind, this is not a denial of the referendum, this is Brexit, the efficient way. And you know it.

You are angered and it makes you behave like a capricious child. ...............................~
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judging by what precedes that last sentence, one can have no idea as to your current emotions but what is quite apparent though is your inability, intentional or born from actual ignorance, to understand the issue.

Seeing how even the OP has by now repeatedly pointed out that article 50 WILL be invoked, this whole childish thing here is nothing but a surrogate conflict in an equally surrogate theatre that has no link to reality.

Thus I won't confuse you and others further by expanding the discussion towards article 7, seeing how the goal posts have already been moved to the point of absurdity.

What you interpret into William Rea's statement however is entirely your affair, even where that makes you look awash all over the place.
 
If this article by Reobert Peston is correct about May's plan to repeal our EU membership one law at a time I believe she might have just fired the first shot in the Tory civil war.

May to announce that all EU law is to be kept on Brexit and only gradually reviewed and repealed - ITV News

May to announce that all EU law is to be kept on Brexit and only gradually reviewed and repealed

What I expect her to say is that there will be legislation here to enshrine in British law all laws and regulations stemming from our membership of the EU and single market.

In other words, leaving the EU would not lead to a single EU law or regulation being abolished at that instant.

The plan would be to abolish unnecessary laws and regulations over subsequent years.

The reason for this so-called "grandfathering" of EU law would be to reassure the private sector that they know what is and is not lawful in respect of how they make their products, how they do their deals and how they employ people.
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If Peston is right, and he's usually fairly on the ball, there are going to be a lot of mightily pissed off Conservative members :D
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Huff and puff all you like Pete, but the fact remains that the UK Parliament remains sovereign, and no action by previous Parliament can bind the actions of any future Parliament. Translated that means the European Communities Act 1972 can be repealed by Parliament, which would result in taking the UK out of the EU, and it does not require invoking Article 50 to do it. once the European Communities Act 1972 is repealed, the UK membership of EU ends.
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And you simply dont understand how things work. Article 50 and the European Communities Act 1972 have nothing to do with each other.

Yes to leave the EU, you have to remove the European Communities Act of 1972. That is a fact and well known. But without triggering article 50 and getting negotiations done and put away before leaving.. that would be absolutely catastrophic for the UK economy. No common market, no access.. no trade deals with anyone.. hell travelling as a Brit would be impossible as the UK would have no visa free travel with anyone and so on. The list of problems would massive. Even North Korea has deals with other countries.. the UK would have none and would have to sit down and negotiate with everyone.. and be in a piss poor position at that.
 
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