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Infinite Chaos

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Local news story doing the rounds here, the local police have confirmed the dog is "soft" and "friendly" and they also say the dog is s pit bull, local reports also state the dog is a pit-bull and as such there are conditions on ownership of such a dog under the Dangerous Dogs act of 1991.

The problem is the dog has repeatedly escaped its 6 feet high enclosure and wanders around the streets, without a lead or a muzzle which are conditions the owner recognises he must comply with to keep such an animal.

Owner Jason O’Neil told magistrates he had done all he could to contain his dog Kizzie, erecting a huge fence to contain her.The court heard how the dog – which even police agree has a “soft and friendly” temperament – is well known on Carlisle’s Raffles estate because it had escaped so many times. Link.
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In court, the owner and his mum are now saying it isn't a pit bull but a golden retriever cross with a Staffordshire bull terrier (so why the 6 feet fence etc?) but the dog is facing a destroy order.

So, should the dog be put down as the owner cannot comply with the conditions of ownership?

Personally, not a fan of such animals but if owners can prove their fitness to own and control such an animal and there is no risk to others then I think they can keep such dogs. I think that dog ownership (just like gun ownership) should be licenced and people who own either should have training. Certainly anyone taking such a dog to children's parks or letting them wander around streets or parks without being on a lead / muzzled should have their collar felt pretty darn quick.
 
chuckiechan said:
Get a lawyer and demand a DNA test. I'll bet purity of breed is not in there.
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I have a strong feeling a visit to a local vet and a DNA test is usually done before UK police proceed to court. In dog shelters a vet has to prove the dog is from a banned breed before it can be put down for being a pit bull or similar banned dog.
 
If the dog is not a danger then there is no need to put it down.

He aha te mea nui? He tangata, he tangata, he tangata!
 
Just for everyone's enlightenment, and before this thread goes on too much further, a 'Pit Bull' is not a breed of dog.

It is a general category or type of dog, and there are many specific breeds that are commonly referred to as pit bulls.

These include the Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, American Bully, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and the American Bulldog.

It's like saying, "I love pony cars!"
You are probably taking about an old Ford Mustang, but you may also be referring to a Chevy Camaro, the Corvair, Dodge Dart, and the list goes on and on.

My dog Simon is considered a pit bull mix, but my wife and I just know him as 'the sweetest boy in the world'.

Here Simon is, eyeballing me as I bring out a slice of cheddar cheese for him.
He has never attempted to climb over the fence.
:shock:

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Sparky2 said:
It's like saying, "I love pony cars!"
You are probably taking about an old Ford Mustang, but you may also be referring to a Chevy Camaro, the Corvair, Dodge Dart, and the list goes on and on.
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As a car guy, I feel compelled to point-out the Corvair is *not* a 'pony car'.

It is anything but, and is much more akin to an early VW (Karmann Ghia, specfically).

If you've ever owned or driven one, you'll find it's acceleration is about on par with a kid on a Schwinn! They make a Miata look fast!
 
Sparky2 said:
Just for everyone's enlightenment, and before this thread goes on too much further, a 'Pit Bull' is not a breed of dog.

It is a general category or type of dog, and there are many specific breeds that are commonly referred to as pit bulls.

These include the Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, American Bully, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and the American Bulldog.

It's like saying, "I love pony cars!"
You are probably taking about an old Ford Mustang, but you may also be referring to a Chevy Camaro, the Corvair, Dodge Dart, and the list goes on and on.

My dog Simon is considered a pit bull mix, but my wife and I just know him as 'the sweetest boy in the world'.

Here Simon is, eyeballing me as I bring out a slice of cheddar cheese for him.
He has never attempted to climb over the fence.
:shock:

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Simon is beautiful
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Local news story doing the rounds here, the local police have confirmed the dog is "soft" and "friendly" and they also say the dog is s pit bull, local reports also state the dog is a pit-bull and as such there are conditions on ownership of such a dog under the Dangerous Dogs act of 1991.

The problem is the dog has repeatedly escaped its 6 feet high enclosure and wanders around the streets, without a lead or a muzzle which are conditions the owner recognises he must comply with to keep such an animal.



In court, the owner and his mum are now saying it isn't a pit bull but a golden retriever cross with a Staffordshire bull terrier (so why the 6 feet fence etc?) but the dog is facing a destroy order.

So, should the dog be put down as the owner cannot comply with the conditions of ownership?

Personally, not a fan of such animals but if owners can prove their fitness to own and control such an animal and there is no risk to others then I think they can keep such dogs. I think that dog ownership (just like gun ownership) should be licenced and people who own either should have training. Certainly anyone taking such a dog to children's parks or letting them wander around streets or parks without being on a lead / muzzled should have their collar felt pretty darn quick.
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I am not in favour of destroying any animal unless they have attacked unwarranted regardless of breed.

If left up to me, bad owners would also be destroyed before supposed "bad" pets....period.
 
Sparky2 said:
Just for everyone's enlightenment, and before this thread goes on too much further, a 'Pit Bull' is not a breed of dog.

It is a general category or type of dog, and there are many specific breeds that are commonly referred to as pit bulls.

These include the Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, American Bully, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and the American Bulldog.

It's like saying, "I love pony cars!"
You are probably taking about an old Ford Mustang, but you may also be referring to a Chevy Camaro, the Corvair, Dodge Dart, and the list goes on and on.

My dog Simon is considered a pit bull mix, but my wife and I just know him as 'the sweetest boy in the world'.

Here Simon is, eyeballing me as I bring out a slice of cheddar cheese for him.
He has never attempted to climb over the fence.
:shock:

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Sorry, but you are wrong. Most of the dogs you listed are terriers, but only the American Pit Bull is recognized at the "Pit Bull".
 
Chomsky said:
As a car guy, I feel compelled to point-out the Corvair is *not* a 'pony car'.

It is anything but, and is much more akin to an early VW (Karmann Ghia, specfically).

If you've ever owned or driven one, you'll find it's acceleration is about on par with a kid on a Schwinn! They make a Miata look fast!
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Corvairs suck. My dad had 13 of them. He sucked too.
 
Chomsky said:
As a car guy, I feel compelled to point-out the Corvair is *not* a 'pony car'.
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This is very much true.
I did see an inordinate number of Corvairs in the 'pony car' section at the Auburn-Cord-Deusenberg Car Show and Auction years ago.

I guess that's why I threw them in that mix.

Also, my dad owned an old Corvair in the late 1960's. He called it a pony car.
He wasn't all that sharp, my old dad.

I guess, from that maybe, we can understand how that confusion can correlate to the common misconceptions about pit bulls.
And how they are often demonized, unfairly.

Just thinking out loud.
:(
 
countryboy said:
Sorry, but you are wrong. Most of the dogs you listed are terriers, but only the American Pit Bull is recognized at the "Pit Bull".
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No sir, country boy, and no disrespect intended, but I am not wrong.

There is a difference between 'recognized' and the popular cultural over-generalization.

The American Pit Bull is recognized as 'the' pit bull by the educated among us, and I concede that.
But all those other breeds are very commonly lumped into the category of pit bull by veterinarians, police forces, television station editorial writers, homeowner's association board members, kindergarten gate guards, and ignorant (but well-intentioned) suburban hysterical fanatics.

I stand by my earlier statement, sir.
With all due respect.
:2wave:
 
Sparky2 said:
No sir, country boy, and no disrespect intended, but I am not wrong.

There is a difference between 'recognized' and the popular cultural over-generalization.

The American Pit Bull is recognized as 'the' pit bull by the educated among us, and I concede that.
But all those other breeds are very commonly lumped into the category of pit bull by veterinarians, police forces, television station editorial writers, homeowner's association board members, kindergarten gate guards, and ignorant (but well-intentioned) suburban hysterical fanatics.

I stand by my earlier statement, sir.
With all due respect.
:2wave:
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Perhaps they are lumped together by some, but it is done so incorrectly.
 
Sparky2 said:
This is very much true.
I did see an inordinate number of Corvairs in the 'pony car' section at the Auburn-Cord-Deusenberg Car Show and Auction years ago.

I guess that's why I threw them in that mix.

Also, my dad owned an old Corvair in the late 1960's. He called it a pony car.
He wasn't all that sharp, my old dad.

I guess, from that maybe, we can understand how that confusion can correlate to the common misconceptions about pit bulls.
And how they are often demonized, unfairly.

Just thinking out loud.
:(
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Sounds like cockney rhyming slang. Pony and trap, crap! ;)

There are actually four breed types (the actual wording) named in the Dangerous Dogs Act. Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino, and the Fila Brasileiro.
I remember seeing a police dog handler on TV who had a role in identifying dogs under the act, but that may have been as a check before the dog was put forward for possible destruction after an attack and prior to a possible vet's confirmation of the "breed type".

Rather than destroying the dog, could it not be re-homed to somewhere more secure, or to owners who could spend time with it?
 
countryboy said:
Perhaps they are lumped together by some, but it is done so incorrectly.
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Yes, this is very much true.
Perhaps I didn't state that very clearly.

But it speaks to the ignorance of a lot of people out there, many of whom would gladly ban, spay, neuter, shoot, hang, or otherwise put-down all dogs who even resemble a pit bull.
They get a bad reputation, and they really don't deserve it.

These gang-bangers, rap artists, and NFL quarterbacks, man.
They celebrate the violence, promote the violence, and revel in the violence of fighting these dogs.
And so the myth and the legend of the violent, untrainable pit bull is born.

And then the rest of us pay the price for all that nonsense.
:(
 
Sparky2 said:
Yes, this is very much true.
Perhaps I didn't state that very clearly.

But it speaks to the ignorance of a lot of people out there, many of whom would gladly ban, spay, neuter, shoot, hang, or otherwise put-down all dogs who even resemble a pit bull.
They get a bad reputation, and they really don't deserve it.

These gang-bangers, rap artists, and NFL quarterbacks, man.
They celebrate the violence, promote the violence, and revel in the violence of fighting these dogs.
And so the myth and the legend of the violent, untrainable pit bull is born.

And then the rest of us pay the price for all that nonsense.
:(
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With all due respect, I have a very biased opinion about Pit Bulls, and I am not in favor of the breed. My bias comes from my own personal experience, and I fully admit it is extremely biased. I realize this is no fault of the dogs, but I do not believe it is a safe breed.

I have discussed this on the forum, and been thoroughly, and brutally excoriated for it. So, I will not belabor the point here.

I too mean no disrespect whatsoever.
 
countryboy said:
With all due respect, I have a very biased opinion about Pit Bulls, and I am not in favor of the breed. My bias comes from my own personal experience, and I fully admit it is extremely biased. I realize this is no fault of the dogs, but I do not believe it is a safe breed.
I have discussed this on the forum, and been thoroughly, and brutally excoriated for it. So, I will not belabor the point here.
I too mean no disrespect whatsoever.
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I won't attack or criticize your low opinion of the breed, good sir.
Especially since it is based upon personal experience coupled with much study on the subject.
I do respect that of you.

I do know that my mixed breed pit bull Simon is an exceptionally sweet dog, though he does scare the hell out of some early morning exercise walkers, just by virtue of his size and appearance.

Once they get to know him, however, they love him nearly as much as I do.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
So, should the dog be put down as the owner cannot comply with the conditions of ownership?
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No... but as with most things, it's about money. The state doesn't want to cover the cost of deliquent animals, so they'll just slaughter them. A shelter is unlikely going to find an adoptive home for anything "pit bull" related because of their reputation. The dog is doomed.

The owner should be banned from dog ownership though. Anyone who is too stupid to know that letting your dog run feral is wrong should not have the privilege of pet ownership.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Sounds like cockney rhyming slang. Pony and trap, crap! ;)

There are actually four breed types (the actual wording) named in the Dangerous Dogs Act. Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino, and the Fila Brasileiro.
I remember seeing a police dog handler on TV who had a role in identifying dogs under the act, but that may have been as a check before the dog was put forward for possible destruction after an attack and prior to a possible vet's confirmation of the "breed type".

Rather than destroying the dog, could it not be re-homed to somewhere more secure, or to owners who could spend time with it?
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Really? Fila Brasileiro? Let's see here: The Brazilian Portuguese word for "breed" is raça which literally means "race". If you discriminate against the Fila Brasileiro that makes you "raçista" or racist.
 
My dog says "Blame the pup? Really? Really?"

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