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Attack over women’s ‘shorts’ in southern France inflames social media

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Controversy around female clothing in France gained further momentum after a dozen young men assaulted a family in the country’s south. Males suffered a severe beating after attackers deemed the women’s clothes excessively revealing.

READ MORE: ‘Naked breasts, not burkinis!’ French PM wades into stormy waters with national identity speech
The incident occurred last Sunday in the city of Toulon, southern France. According to local prosecutor Bernard Marchal, the family of two sisters, their husbands, their brother and three children aged between 10 and 14 had been riding bikes and rollerblading through an eastern neighborhood of the city. They were approached by a group of about 10 young men, who insulted the women for wearing ‘inappropriate’ clothing. The husbands and brother intervened and were severely beaten. One of them suffered multiple facial fractures, and another got his nose broken.



More information in this link: https://www.rt.com/news/358949-france-toulon-attack-shorts/
 
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Controversy around female clothing in France gained further momentum after a dozen young men assaulted a family in the country’s south. Males suffered a severe beating after attackers deemed the women’s clothes excessively revealing.

READ MORE: ‘Naked breasts, not burkinis!’ French PM wades into stormy waters with national identity speech
The incident occurred last Sunday in the city of Toulon, southern France. According to local prosecutor Bernard Marchal, the family of two sisters, their husbands, their brother and three children aged between 10 and 14 had been riding bikes and rollerblading through an eastern neighborhood of the city. They were approached by a group of about 10 young men, who insulted the women for wearing ‘inappropriate’ clothing. The husbands and brother intervened and were severely beaten. One of them suffered multiple facial fractures, and another got his nose broken.

More information in this link: https://www.rt.com/news/358949-france-toulon-attack-shorts/

When an area starts discriminating against people's dress codes like is going on across Europe, you must reckon with backlash. Intolerance breeds reaction.
 
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Controversy around female clothing in France gained further momentum after a dozen young men assaulted a family in the country’s south. Males suffered a severe beating after attackers deemed the women’s clothes excessively revealing.

READ MORE: ‘Naked breasts, not burkinis!’ French PM wades into stormy waters with national identity speech
The incident occurred last Sunday in the city of Toulon, southern France. According to local prosecutor Bernard Marchal, the family of two sisters, their husbands, their brother and three children aged between 10 and 14 had been riding bikes and rollerblading through an eastern neighborhood of the city. They were approached by a group of about 10 young men, who insulted the women for wearing ‘inappropriate’ clothing. The husbands and brother intervened and were severely beaten. One of them suffered multiple facial fractures, and another got his nose broken.

More information in this link: https://www.rt.com/news/358949-france-toulon-attack-shorts/

Hmmmm.... the perps names withheld? I wonder why? ......not!
 
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THE EVOLUTION OF SEXUAL MORES

When an area starts discriminating against people's dress codes like is going on across Europe, you must reckon with backlash. Intolerance breeds reaction.

It would also help to understand if we knew from which source the news-report was obtained.

"Valeurs Actuelles" ("Now Values", or something like that) is edited by a Right-wing journalist who likes to exaggerate emotionally. Which is why he is no longer an editor with Le Figaro ("Rightist" but balanced.)

The incident is one of maybe two or three that happened in a nation of 65 million this summer. Most sensible people retain the valued French-notion that public decency consists of not parading your body around public-places. A woman will get arrested topless in downtown AnyCity-in-France for "public prurience".

But not on a public beach, and if the burkini were forbidden in August (in some towns in France) then not long later - when challenged in a French court of law - interdiction was thrown out. Which has happened recently, now that the judges are back from vacation and "normalcy" has returned to the French judicial system. But sweltering weather is still today the rule in the southern beaches of France, so burkinis are still being worn.

Presumably by Muslim women, and I suspect simply as a means of indirectly displaying their religion. After all, to do so in a burkini is only slightly more cumbersome than having a crucifixion-cross dangling from one's neck. (N'est-ce pas?)

The French are a very open people as regards their sexuality - which is one reason I adore living in this country. Its sexual mores have not been allowed to mingle or bother some very supercilious religious imperatives that have slowly but quietly disappeared. What has happened is that the current French Female is more publicly "sexual" than were their mothers over the past thirty years. (Of course, many of their mothers, or grandmothers, had no recourse to the pill or state-paid abortion before the 1960s - the twenty-year olds nowadays are the second-generation since!)

But, there has been also a European evolution in mores. If anybody has evolved oppositely, that of evoking hard-line totalitarian principles, it is in Europe the Far Right and not the Far Left ...
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I'm French and I'm going to vote Le Front National of Marine Le Pen.
 
Something about this seems sketchy to me....
 
Controversy around female clothing in France gained further momentum after a dozen young men assaulted a family in the country’s south. Males suffered a severe beating after attackers deemed the women’s clothes excessively revealing.

READ MORE: ‘Naked breasts, not burkinis!’ French PM wades into stormy waters with national identity speech
The incident occurred last Sunday in the city of Toulon, southern France. According to local prosecutor Bernard Marchal, the family of two sisters, their husbands, their brother and three children aged between 10 and 14 had been riding bikes and rollerblading through an eastern neighborhood of the city. They were approached by a group of about 10 young men, who insulted the women for wearing ‘inappropriate’ clothing. The husbands and brother intervened and were severely beaten. One of them suffered multiple facial fractures, and another got his nose broken.



More information in this link: https://www.rt.com/news/358949-france-toulon-attack-shorts/

When are we going to start seeing demonstrations over women's clothing that doesn't reveal enough?
 
THE EVOLUTION OF SEXUAL MORES



It would also help to understand if we knew from which source the news-report was obtained.

"Valeurs Actuelles" ("Now Values", or something like that) is edited by a Right-wing journalist who likes to exaggerate emotionally. Which is why he is no longer an editor with Le Figaro ("Rightist" but balanced.)

The incident is one of maybe two or three that happened in a nation of 65 million this summer. Most sensible people retain the valued French-notion that public decency consists of not parading your body around public-places. A woman will get arrested topless in downtown AnyCity-in-France for "public prurience".

But not on a public beach, and if the burkini were forbidden in August (in some towns in France) then not long later - when challenged in a French court of law - interdiction was thrown out. Which has happened recently, now that the judges are back from vacation and "normalcy" has returned to the French judicial system. But sweltering weather is still today the rule in the southern beaches of France, so burkinis are still being worn.

Presumably by Muslim women, and I suspect simply as a means of indirectly displaying their religion. After all, to do so in a burkini is only slightly more cumbersome than having a crucifixion-cross dangling from one's neck. (N'est-ce pas?)

The French are a very open people as regards their sexuality - which is one reason I adore living in this country. Its sexual mores have not been allowed to mingle or bother some very supercilious religious imperatives that have slowly but quietly disappeared. What has happened is that the current French Female is more publicly "sexual" than were their mothers over the past thirty years. (Of course, many of their mothers, or grandmothers, had no recourse to the pill or state-paid abortion before the 1960s - the twenty-year olds nowadays are the second-generation since!)

But, there has been also a European evolution in mores. If anybody has evolved oppositely, that of evoking hard-line totalitarian principles, it is in Europe the Far Right and not the Far Left ...
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I am glad that the French are very open as regards their sexuality. I enjoyed that fact on many a sweltering Summer stay in StaintTrop. It is so odd then that they are so little liberal about burkas, people working as much as they want and many other things. It is an odd country with very pretty cities and enjoyable food all build and developed in a time much less tolerant and of less liberal mores.
 
When an area starts discriminating against people's dress codes like is going on across Europe, you must reckon with backlash. Intolerance breeds reaction.

Hmm you are so quick to judge.... places outside Europe, including the US, has been doing that for decades. The flare up of conservative right wing thinking in Europe is pushing a mostly Christian "decency" wave that is disgusting. It started in Italy half a decade or so ago, when newly elected right wing Berlscoloony morons and their allies put in place bikini bans (outside the beach) and other restrictions on what people could ware. This spread across southern Europe in mostly right wing controlled areas and is continuing today. It has been overshadowed by this burkini bull****, but in fact it has been going on for a while.

Oh and yes in the US you cant go topless, hence they are regulating what you can wear.. same thing.
 
It is so odd then that they are so little liberal about burkas, people working as much as they want and many other things.

A burka is just a full-body dress, that some Muslim women wear in France. (Without the veil, which is illegal.)

The burkini was innovated 15 years ago by Aheda Zanetti in Australia. It is not full-body, but a skirt - under which are worn leg-fitting pants. Big deal, huh?

About working, I agree. Which is why we call it the "Protestant Work Ethic" in most non-Catholic countries; and, of course, France is a Catholic country. Which does not mean that the French are particularly religious. But work here is just a necessary pastime.

Yes, they have a central government that has good-intentions and not much talent in implementing changes. France is and has been in deep sneakers for quite some time - it has not known an unemployment rate lower than 7% since the 1990s. This would be totally unacceptable in most northern European countries, and, of course, the US.

And yet the French politicians do nothing about it except mouth platitudes over and over again.

Still, if you don't have to work here, it's a great place to retire ...
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Controversy around female clothing in France gained further momentum after a dozen young men assaulted a family in the country’s south. Males suffered a severe beating after attackers deemed the women’s clothes excessively revealing.

READ MORE: ‘Naked breasts, not burkinis!’ French PM wades into stormy waters with national identity speech
The incident occurred last Sunday in the city of Toulon, southern France. According to local prosecutor Bernard Marchal, the family of two sisters, their husbands, their brother and three children aged between 10 and 14 had been riding bikes and rollerblading through an eastern neighborhood of the city. They were approached by a group of about 10 young men, who insulted the women for wearing ‘inappropriate’ clothing. The husbands and brother intervened and were severely beaten. One of them suffered multiple facial fractures, and another got his nose broken.



More information in this link: https://www.rt.com/news/358949-france-toulon-attack-shorts/

Since you're voting the conservative line, it seems that you go along with "covering up" then.
 
Hmm you are so quick to judge.... places outside Europe, including the US, has been doing that for decades. The flare up of conservative right wing thinking in Europe is pushing a mostly Christian "decency" wave that is disgusting. It started in Italy half a decade or so ago, when newly elected right wing Berlscoloony morons and their allies put in place bikini bans (outside the beach) and other restrictions on what people could ware. This spread across southern Europe in mostly right wing controlled areas and is continuing today. It has been overshadowed by this burkini bull****, but in fact it has been going on for a while.

Oh and yes in the US you cant go topless, hence they are regulating what you can wear.. same thing.

We're not talking about the US (you aren't remotely stating the truth about the US btw.), were talking about where this story actually occurred, which is Toulon, France.

From the NY Times:

" The incident has incited claims that parts of France are vulnerable to an Islamist “morality police.”

Two couples, their three children and a friend were passing public housing when the “incredibly violent” attack occurred, according to local newspaper Var Matin. A group of teenagers allegedly began to insult the women because of their attire, calling out “Dirty whore, get naked.” A physical fight broke out when the women’s partners attempted to intervene, according to Toulon prosecutor Bernard Marchal."


"Morality police", " public housing ", and another story said the attackers used language like "dirty white whore".

Stop diverting the issue from where it belongs, which is Muslim men abusing European women every chance they get, to your unfounded rubbish about Christians in the US.
String of attacks on women wearing shorts in France prompts fears of Islamist ‘morality police’ – Women in the World in Association with The New York Times – WITW
 
Controversy around female clothing in France gained further momentum after a dozen young men assaulted a family in the country’s south. Males suffered a severe beating after attackers deemed the women’s clothes excessively revealing.

READ MORE: ‘Naked breasts, not burkinis!’ French PM wades into stormy waters with national identity speech
The incident occurred last Sunday in the city of Toulon, southern France. According to local prosecutor Bernard Marchal, the family of two sisters, their husbands, their brother and three children aged between 10 and 14 had been riding bikes and rollerblading through an eastern neighborhood of the city. They were approached by a group of about 10 young men, who insulted the women for wearing ‘inappropriate’ clothing. The husbands and brother intervened and were severely beaten. One of them suffered multiple facial fractures, and another got his nose broken.



More information in this link: https://www.rt.com/news/358949-france-toulon-attack-shorts/

"We like short shorts". Aside from being silly, I have to seriously ask: Why do these attacks happen now and not in 1957. There were Muslims around in 1957.

 
Hmm you are so quick to judge.... places outside Europe, including the US, has been doing that for decades. The flare up of conservative right wing thinking in Europe is pushing a mostly Christian "decency" wave that is disgusting. It started in Italy half a decade or so ago, when newly elected right wing Berlscoloony morons and their allies put in place bikini bans (outside the beach) and other restrictions on what people could ware. This spread across southern Europe in mostly right wing controlled areas and is continuing today. It has been overshadowed by this burkini bull****, but in fact it has been going on for a while.

Oh and yes in the US you cant go topless, hence they are regulating what you can wear.. same thing.

Yep. The US is pretty prudish in that kind of s***.
 
"We like short shorts". Aside from being silly, I have to seriously ask: Why do these attacks happen now and not in 1957. There were Muslims around in 1957.
No, not really: excluding colonies, they were such a tiny minority in France in 1957 that it is not worth mentioning.

That being said it would have been a lot easier to bath in a bikini for an Algerian woman on a public Algerian beach a few decades ago, that it would be today. A few decades ago, people would have thrown disapproving glances, today she would easily risk an assault or a rape, or severe prosecutions. Since a few decades ago, the Muslim world is diving in a far-right totalitarianism, in its pursuit of an identity, pride and community and to compensate for the failed nations they never managed to build.
 
Controversy around female clothing in France gained further momentum after a dozen young men assaulted a family in the country’s south. Males suffered a severe beating after attackers deemed the women’s clothes excessively revealing.
Actually, no.

There has been a flurry of fake reports about real assaults where clothing or morality was blamed. But in most of those cases the reason was actually unrelated. Those assaults were all unjustifiable, gratuitous, often sexist, maybe racist, but they never involved clothing or morality per se.

While there are many cases of harassment or rapes of non-Muslim women by Muslim males, and many where sexy clothes were blamed, I cannot remember a single case of women assaulted or intimidated to punish or ban sexy clothing (one case involving nudity only). However Muslim women suffer a lot from this: the vast majority of Muslim girls in Muslim neighborhoods purposely wear the least sexy possible clothes and/or the veil because they have been pressured or intimidated into doing so.

TL;DR: Yes many Muslims police their environment, but so far they only target Muslims. However they target them a lot, Muslims suffer a very strong pressure to conform to a strict Islam.
 
Hmm you are so quick to judge.... places outside Europe, including the US, has been doing that for decades.

Have been sexually assaulting women and regularly committing aggravated assault against any men who might try to protect them?

No, that hasn't been happening in the US for decades.

It has only recently begun happening in the past few years, and almost exclusively in the Middle East and Islamic enclaves across Europe.

Unless you're an apologist idiot you can easily see the difference between puritanical, but essentially harmless, American "decency" laws and and the kind of vigilante street justice visited upon those who don't abide by draconian Sharia norms in majority-Muslim European neighborhoods.
 
I wonder if there should be some kind of probationary integration period (of a few years) that could be implemented for those who want to immigrate to the various countries. If you get arrested and convicted of a crime that relates to a lack of integration to the culture of the host-country, you get shipped back to where you came from. This case would be an example of that, if it's a true story.

There could be some kind of graded scale that either gives you a one-and-done result or a pattern of failure to integrate for more minor offenses. It obviously would not apply to those who have citizenship status, as that would be a violation of rights but for those who are not citizens, there is no right to immigrate.

Not sure how horrible of an idea it would be or not. I haven't thought it over. I do know that you cannot have a functioning society with mutually exclusive cultures that will not integrate. This will only get worse as demographics shifts over time. That's one of the problems that many people have, there is no long-term perspective.
 
Have been sexually assaulting women and regularly committing aggravated assault against any men who might try to protect them?

No, that hasn't been happening in the US for decades.

The sexual assault part has. Home invasions with rape involved have happened. How about a woman being gang rapped in from of her children? That bad enough? Happened in Las Vegas last year..

It has only recently begun happening in the past few years, and almost exclusively in the Middle East and Islamic enclaves across Europe.

What gang rapes? According to official statistics, 16% of all rapes in the US are gang rapes. Anti-Rape organisations say it is double that.

Unless you're an apologist idiot you can easily see the difference between puritanical, but essentially harmless, American "decency" laws and and the kind of vigilante street justice visited upon those who don't abide by draconian Sharia norms in majority-Muslim European neighborhoods.

That there has been one case in France where women were raped after their "men" were beaten up is some how "normal" across Europe and the Middle East? Let me guess, cause the rapists are Muslim, then suddenly it is massively bad, but when a bunch of Christian men gang rape a woman, "then oh shucks she probably deserved it cause she had tight shorts on"..?

No one is trying to defend these rapist scum and their day in court will come.. but to use this tragic case as some sort of example of a problem that does not exist in Europe, while ignoring the very real problem of non-Muslim men raping and assaulting... that is pathetic.
 
Let me guess, cause the rapists are Muslim, then suddenly it is massively bad, but when a bunch of Christian men gang rape a woman, "then oh shucks she probably deserved it cause she had tight shorts on"..?.

How many male Christians...and i mean real honest-to-God, Bible-quoting, "Praise the Lord!" types...are engaging in gang rapes of women because of their clothes or whatever?
 
I wonder if there should be some kind of probationary integration period (of a few years) that could be implemented for those who want to immigrate to the various countries. If you get arrested and convicted of a crime that relates to a lack of integration to the culture of the host-country, you get shipped back to where you came from. This case would be an example of that, if it's a true story.
Regrettably our problems happen with their descendants.

Usually the immigrants keep a low profile, and some even reject their country's ideas. Yet, they set up among people from the same country to enjoy what they love in their culture. Later generations then grow up in ghettos and continue to cultivate and nurture their ancestors' values because they are the ones they are most familiar with.

So this is first a matter of a persisting cultural gap. And this is made worse by the Arabic cultural intolerance, many's hatred against westerners and French people, many's rejection of everything that is western, the ideological speeches about Islamic Suprematism, the totalitarian far-right wave and identitary religiosity that has been rising in the Muslim world for the past decades, and the strong communities they have built around the Islamic identity, that appeal even to the moderates. More than before we are two distinct ethnic groups, more and more isolated and distant as they massively dive into Islam and the Islamic identity.
 
Regrettably our problems happen with their descendants.

Usually the immigrants keep a low profile, and some even reject their country's ideas. Yet, they set up among people from the same country to enjoy what they love in their culture. Later generations then grow up in ghettos and continue to cultivate and nurture their ancestors' values because they are the ones they are most familiar with.

So this is first a matter of a persisting cultural gap. And this is made worse by the Arabic cultural intolerance, many's hatred against westerners and French people, many's rejection of everything that is western, the ideological speeches about Islamic Suprematism, the totalitarian far-right wave and identitary religiosity that has been rising in the Muslim world for the past decades, and the strong communities they have built around the Islamic identity, that appeal even to the moderates. More than before we are two distinct ethnic groups, more and more isolated and distant as they massively dive into Islam and the Islamic identity.

Yeah, it does seem to happen even with further descendants. I honestly don't know a way to address it in a fair and equitable manner. The long-term demographics don't look good for France, and other countries, to maintain their historical culture. I think France was the highest EU country for fighters leaving to join ISIS and also they have the record of Jews leaving due to building intolerance.

It's a serious matter. I love parts of all cultures, to include parts of the ME, but there are definitely parts that simply cannot coincide with western ideology.
 
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