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You think Trump is anti-Islam, he is a nice and moderate person compared to Wilders!!

Re: You think Trump is anti-Islam, he is a nice and moderate person compared to Wilde

coldjoint said:
96% of verses about jihad contain or suggest violence.

Irrelevant, since no one quotes those verses when they kill people, and brag about it.
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The vast majorities does not brag about them either. And just because people do not brag about them, there are loads of Christians who state that the bible has to be taken literally and everything in there is what god wants and how god wants it done. Including the violent killing of women and children parts. They call it the truth and worship it, they do not exclude the murderous sections of the bible.
 
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coldjoint said:
I consider that name calling. Stop at white(though, no fault of my own).
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I dont understand, you guys rebranded from white supremacists, to white nationalists, racial realists etc.

Now all of a sudden you don't want to own that either.

But when people support rampant discriminatory practises based on anger, xenophobia, paranoia and ignorance, I suppose being called on that, is painful.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
I dont understand, you guys rebranded from white supremacists, to white nationalists, racial realists etc.

Now all of a sudden you don't want to own that either.

But when people support rampant discriminatory practises based on anger, xenophobia, paranoia and ignorance, I suppose being called on that, is painful.
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Since Wilders is constantly protected by security looks like he has a right to feel that way. He is hardly ignorant about Islam. Off hand I can think of some people who are.

I like to call them "awarophobics" scared of hearing anything about a problem that is a major part of reality.
 
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Peter King said:
The vast majorities does not brag about them either. And just because people do not brag about them, there are loads of Christians who state that the bible has to be taken literally and everything in there is what god wants and how god wants it done. Including the violent killing of women and children parts. They call it the truth and worship it, they do not exclude the murderous sections of the bible.
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I am not going to apologize for what is in the Bible. I am telling you what is in the Koran, a very relevant book in the world today. That can't be said about the Bible.
 
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coldjoint said:
I consider that name calling. Stop at white(though, no fault of my own).
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Well, just because it is something white nationalist would say (and in the Netherlands do say) does not mean that you are one or everyone who agrees with Wilders is one. You can agree with those views even if you have no white nationalists tendencies whatsoever, but that does not mean that the views you have can be held by people who are very different from you.

Also, as I do not know you or others here from Adam, I am going to assume of every one I meet here online is a completely and entirely decent human beings that hate white nationalist views as much as I do.
 
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Peter King said:
Well, just because it is something white nationalist would say (and in the Netherlands do say) does not mean that you are one or everyone who agrees with Wilders is one. You can agree with those views even if you have no white nationalists tendencies whatsoever, but that does not mean that the views you have can be held by people who are very different from you.

Also, as I do not know you or others here from Adam, I am going to assume of every one I meet here online is a completely and entirely decent human beings that hate white nationalist views as much as I do.
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A little free with that word. Putting "that" in front of it is the same thing you accuse the people against Islamic views of doing.
 
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coldjoint said:
I am not going to apologize for what is in the Bible. I am telling you what is in the Koran, a very relevant book in the world today. That can't be said about the Bible.
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:lamo

What nonsense, utter and total nonsense there. To say that the bible is not relevant is bull crap, total and utter nonsense.

Ever looked at the most powerful democracy in the world, if you think the bible does not dictate a lot of the politics/views/campaigns than you are dead wrong.
 
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coldjoint said:
A little free with that word. Putting "that" in front of it is the same thing you accuse the people against Islamic views of doing.
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What on earth do you mean. I do not accuse anyone of anything other than saying that Dutch nationalists wildly approve of Wilders views of Muslims. Not says anything about you because clearly you are not Dutch.
 
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Peter King said:
:lamo

What nonsense, utter and total nonsense there. To say that the bible is not relevant is bull crap, total and utter nonsense.

Ever looked at the most powerful democracy in the world, if you think the bible does not dictate a lot of the politics/views/campaigns than you are dead wrong.
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Why not? There are many decent examples of things to emulate in the Bible. Can't say the same for Islam, it says to emulate Mohammad by example. Over 90 times.
 
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Peter King said:
What on earth do you mean. I do not accuse anyone of anything other than saying that Dutch nationalists wildly approve of Wilders views of Muslims. Not says anything about you because clearly you are not Dutch.
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We had a house with a dutch door.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
I dont understand, you guys rebranded from white supremacists, to white nationalists, racial realists etc.

Now all of a sudden you don't want to own that either.

But when people support rampant discriminatory practises based on anger, xenophobia, paranoia and ignorance, I suppose being called on that, is painful.
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Of course.

Classical case of wanting to have one's cake and eat it.
 
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Chagos said:
Of course.

Classical case of wanting to have one's cake and eat it.
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Wilders can't eat his cake alone, I wonder why? Words harm no one. That is why we have humility. A very unfamiliar character trait to some.
 
Re: You think Trump is anti-Islam, he is a nice and moderate person compared to Wilde

coldjoint said:
Why not? There are many decent examples of things to emulate in the Bible. Can't say the same for Islam, it says to emulate Mohammad by example. Over 90 times.
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So what? There are plenty of Muslims who do not follow the Qu'ran slavishly and it does not change the fact that you are projecting the views of countries with a very strict Islamic history and leadership on Western Muslims and that is not valid or realistic.
 
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coldjoint said:
We had a house with a dutch door.
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Not really the same thing. We have had saloon doors in our house, does not make me a cowboy ;)
 
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Peter King said:
So what? There are plenty of Muslims who do not follow the Qu'ran slavishly and it does not change the fact that you are projecting the views of countries with a very strict Islamic history and leadership on Western Muslims and that is not valid or realistic.
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Then what would you call Muslims that do not assimilate, or Muslims that hide terorists, and Muslims who refuse to work?
 
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Peter King said:
Not really the same thing. We have had saloon doors in our house, does not make me a cowboy ;)
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I made a Venetian blind once. Poked my finger in both his eyes.
 
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One finger< two eyes.
 
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coldjoint said:
Then what would you call Muslims that do not assimilate, or Muslims that hide terorists, and Muslims who refuse to work?
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a small minority.
 
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Chagos said:
I made a Venetian blind once. Poked my finger in both his eyes.
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:lamo

I may not have had a Venetian blind but then again I did visit Venice once.
 
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PeteEU said:
Just replace Islam/Muslim with Judaism/Jew and you have Hilters plan in the 1930s..
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Pre concentration camp... so what?
 
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Peter King said:
Well, the Islam hater of the Netherlands just released his concept election program to the Netherlands, here are the things he plans to do:

De-Islamisation of the Netherlands:
- zero asylum seekers of Muslim religions and no immigration from Muslims countries/Muslims, total closure of the borders
- invalidate all approved permissions of asylum seekers to stay in the Netherlands, close all asylum seeker centers
- ban on Islamic scarfs in public functions
- ban all other Islamic expressions of opinion/etc. that are at odds with public order
- locking up with no court approval of all radical Islamic people as a matter of prevention
- criminals with two passports have to be stripped of their Dutch nationality and deported
- no person who went to Syria will be allowed back into the Netherlands
- closure of all mosques, closure of all schools of Islamic background, total ban on the Qu'ran.

And this idiot actually thinks doing these few things is going to end up saving the Netherlands more than 7.2 billion Euro's.


Here are a few things that are idiotic of his plans:

1. we have made agreements with other countries about asylum seekers, one cannot stop allowing them just because Wilders hates Islam
2. there is still something call freedom of opinion, he makes constant use of it but does not want Islamic Dutch persons to do the same
3. locking up people with no court order is unconstitutional
4. taking of someone's nationality is bound by treaties and our constitution, both ban what Wilders wants
5. freedom of religion means nothing for Wilders, that is crystal clear.

He may want to rid the Netherlands of every Muslim, but he is behaving like a man who is a much bigger danger to our society than normal Muslims in the Netherlands.

In short, the man is an idiot and if he thinks other political parties are going to aid him in this hate fest, then he has going another thing coming. Wilders may not want to respect our constitution and our freedoms, other parties do respect and protect the Netherlands.
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A lot of his ideas actually sound very reasonable and common sense
 
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Bodhisattva said:
A lot of his ideas actually sound very reasonable and common sense
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Certainly does look that way. There are Islamic countries out there to relocate to. Of course there is no welfare.......
 
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coldjoint said:
Certainly does look that way. There are Islamic countries out there to relocate to. Of course there is no welfare.......
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I get sick of the people getting up on their self obssessed moral grandstand telling everybody that we have to accept everybody. It is dumb. Some peolle dont deserve OR EVEN WANT acceptance. Some people just want to kill you.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
A lot of his ideas actually sound very reasonable and common sense
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Well on that we are seriously going to have to agree to completely and utterly disagree.

I disagree with him on asylum seekers, on closing mosques, discriminating against Dutch citizens purely based on the fact that (through no fault of their own a lot of the time) that they have dual citizenship. His intolerance is nauseating IMHO, if someone did that to Christians there would be an outpouring of outrage against politicians in the West with those kinds of views.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Pre concentration camp... so what?
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Well he started with concentration camps for socialist, communists and political opponents. The concentration camps for Jews came much much later after a cavalcade of anti-Jewish measures for several years.
 
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