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Bastille Day Terrorist had Support, Planned Attack for 1 Year

~...............................Don't forget the hundred years' war in Europe (1337–1453) between Protestants and Catholics, when between 150K–460K died. .........................~
You may want to recheck that.

Alone on any Protestants being involved but on religious motivation as well, while you're at it.
 
You may want to recheck that.

Alone on any Protestants being involved but on religious motivation as well, while you're at it.

The numbers estimated are all over the place, see here.
 
The numbers estimated are all over the place, see here.
In view of the doubt expressed over your statement that the 100 years war was between Protestants and Catholics, that's a rather silly reply. Equally so in that it was not about religion at all.
 
You may want to recheck that. Alone on any Protestants being involved but on religious motivation as well, while you're at it.

Recheck what? That the Protestants were NOT involved in a religious war against the Catholics in France? (The Catholics fought who then?) That is contrary to historical fact.

Famous line, often quoted in France, about Henri 4th, a protestant noble with his eyes on the Kingship - unavailable to him since no Catholic priest would crown him under orders of Rome. So, he changed religions overnight, with this famous quip that is repeated to this day, "The crown is worth one mass", which he celebrated once at his crowning and rarely ever again in a Catholic Church. (Neither did he follow any protestant rite.)

Religion was a "show" for the lower-classes who were manipulated by it.

It was just an excuse for power, because Kings and noblemen sought their riches during the Agricultural Age from which most riches were engendered The other source being gold and precious metals ...
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Recheck what? That the Protestants were NOT involved in a religious war against the Catholics in France? (The Catholics fought who then?) That is contrary to historical fact.
are you being deliberately obtuse?

This was your statement (relevant part bolded by me):
Islamic terror has been going on since the 8th century with a schism into two groups, Sunnites and Shiites. It will end when it will end.

Don't forget the hundred years' war in Europe (1337–1453) between Protestants and Catholics, when between 150K–460K died.

This is not the first religious war on earth.
The example you cite (as in the bolded part)

a) was not about religion
b) involved no Protestants whatsoever (there were no protestants around at the time)

The rest of what you state is all very well but has nothing to do with the original error.

Not that, as I suspect, coldjoint would have noticed but your analogy here is/was false.
 
This was your statement (relevant part bolded by me):The example you cite (as in the bolded part)
b) involved no Protestants whatsoever (there were no protestants around at the time)

The rest of what you state is all very well but has nothing to do with the original error.

Not that, as I suspect, coldjoint would have noticed but your analogy here is/was false.

You're right, I got the history wrong.

Protestantism started with Martin Luther in 1517. The hundred years' war had ended in 1453.

My apologies ...
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In view of the doubt expressed over your statement that the 100 years war was between Protestants and Catholics, that's a rather silly reply. Equally so in that it was not about religion at all.

You're right, I got the history wrong regarding the Hundred Years' War. My apologies ...

Nonetheless, the point originally was that the Muslims are not the only ones to launch religious wars. The Crusades showed aptly that the Christians could so as well.

Regardless, again, the root of the present mess in the Middle-east is the continued warring between the two Muslim clans, the Shiites and the Sunnites (largely over oil reserves) ...


As seen here below, Sunnite (84%) countries in Red, Shiite in Blue (15%):
small-map-Artboard_2.jpg

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Explain.

One-liners are never self-evident ...

It is one sided in the fact only one side is on offense, while the other side does nothing but wait and react.
 
You're right, I got the history wrong regarding the Hundred Years' War. My apologies ...
No problem.

In fact if you'd cited the 30 years war of 1618 to 1648 you'd have more of an example. The toil of that one was immense, slaughter, famine, subsequent disease etc. leading to estimates of the round about 16 million people living in the affected territories having been reduced by between 25 and 40 pct.

Nonetheless, the point originally was that the Muslims are not the only ones to launch religious wars. The Crusades showed aptly that the Christians could so as well.
agreed.

Regardless, again, the root of the present mess in the Middle-east is the continued warring between the two Muslim clans, the Shiites and the Sunnites (largely over oil reserves) ...


As seen here below, Sunnite (84%) countries in Red, Shiite in Blue (15%):
small-map-Artboard_2.jpg
I'm more inclined to put it down to (the more recent) arbitrary carving of territories and drawing of border lines by the powers of France and Britain at the end of WWI. Exacerbated by installing puppet governments in whatever entity they'd created to fit their interests.

Frictions between adherents of Shia and Sunna notwithstanding, they haven't gone to all out war with each other over religion since the battle of Karbala. Past conflicts as well as the present ones in (primarily) Syria and Iraq were and are about politics (power and influence) more than about anything else.
 
Frictions between adherents of Shia and Sunna notwithstanding, they haven't gone to all out war with each other over religion since the battle of Karbala. Past conflicts as well as the present ones in (primarily) Syria and Iraq were and are about politics (power and influence) more than about anything else.

Some journalists accent our own religious "frictions" as they enter into the political equation. What politician would dare deny that there is a God? Bernie did well enough simply as an agnostic.

God, if there is one, is on nobody's side. How could he be ... ?
 
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It is one sided in the fact only one side is on offense, while the other side does nothing but wait and react.

Most wars start in that fashion, don't they ... ?
 
THE MESS IN THE MIDDLE-EAST

I'm more inclined to put it down to (the more recent) arbitrary carving of territories and drawing of border lines by the powers of France and Britain at the end of WWI. Exacerbated by installing puppet governments in whatever entity they'd created to fit their interests.

Frictions between adherents of Shia and Sunna notwithstanding, they haven't gone to all out war with each other over religion since the battle of Karbala. Past conflicts as well as the present ones in (primarily) Syria and Iraq were and are about politics (power and influence) more than about anything else.

Subsequent to the Ottoman Empire, that had reigned for more than six centuries, what were they to do? Uncle Sam was only interested, at the time, in Saudi oil.

The countries involved in the aftermath of WW2 could not have been left alone, and the only way forward was to enlist the help of "strongmen" who had the physical strength (in numbers on-the-ground) to maintain the peace after 1922. What happened was the factioning between sunnite and shiite populations, each of which tried to take control of its bit. Which ended-up with "enclaves" of sunnites some places and in control of three countries despite the fact that they were in fact minorities in those countries.

This was a recipe ultimately for the implosion that occurred.

The discovery of oil cemented powers into place throughout the region. Europe and the US were pleased to maintain the Oil-dominated Status-quo. And the (subsequent to al-Qaeda's attack on the US) introduction of America first into Afghanistan (after the debacle of the Russians there) upset the apple-cart once again, as did the invasion of Iraq for no justifiable reason except to overthrow Hussein.

Uncle Sam made a shambles of the situation, and ISIS simply took advantage of the mess to establish itself. Let us not forget that ISIS was formed in a US internment camp near Basra of Sunnite Army officers. Upon being released they went to Baghdad, then cleverly took the oil-fields of eastern Syria to fund their Army. (That the Assad family of Syria could no longer defend, and who were Shiites in control of a Sunnite country. Which is still the problem there exacerbated by the Russian military presence.)

Whilst Uncle Sam high-tailed it from Iraq leaving an incompetent Shiite to rebuild it, which he did by alienating the entire Sunnite community and installing a Shiite governance. See WashPo article here. So, the Sunnite communities started "dealing" with ISIS across the north of Iraq, because it had become the dominant power in the area - until the Kurds stopped their eastward expansion.

And it is the Kurds who are leading the effort to retake both Mosul in Iraq and inevitably Raqqa - ISIS headquarters in middle-Syria.

Uncle Sam has nobody but himself to blame for the Mess in the Middle-east. Putin waltzed in to protect his sea-port at Latakia (home of Assad's Shiite community) and only possession on the Med (as does the US in Naples with the Sixth Fleet).

For as long as oil is the dominant factor in the Middle-east, there can be no settling of the matter between Russia and the US. If oil prices stabilize at their lower price at present, that could happen sooner rather than later as each country settles into a pattern based upon present religious dominance of secular matters.

MY POINT?

One can see the parallel of religious interference historically in politics both in Europe and the Middle-east. Strategically, the US should have undertaken an evolution from fossil-fuels to nuclear or other sources of energy in the 1960s. But it did not do so under pressure from BigOil interests ...
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