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Military coup in Turkey

Higgins86 said:
So you hate fascism but you supported this military coup? :lamo
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I believe the point he was trying to make was that Erdogan is fascist in tendency. Personally, I think that's giving the man's delusions of grandeur too much legitimacy.
 
Higgins86 said:
So you hate fascism but you supported this military coup? :lamo
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The military group itself? No, I see no reason to obviously support this group as no one seems to know what their full intentions are or what their ideology is, but at the moment, I'd really like to see Erdogan out of power. I'm hoping that the military coup will not result in another dictator-wannabe (if not outright dictator), which there might be a chance of. But there's no chance that Erdogan isn't heading towards a dictatorship and converting the Turkish government into a regime.
 
Meanwhile Yildirim talking openly of changing the laws to re-introduce the death penalty.

Let nobody say they won't be doing things legit.:roll:
 
FieldTheorist said:
I was really hoping they'd assassinated or exiled Erdogan before they announced their coup to the world. Sadly, the military is quite stupid and so far it seems that they botched this coup.

There's a lot of fascism in the world right now. It should disturb everyone.
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The Nazis won..............
 
Turkish president asks U.S. to extradite cleric he blames for attempted coup


Who is Fethullah Gulen, the man blamed for coup attempt in Turkey?

The Turkish govt is pointing the accusing finger at Gulen, but Erdogan has numerous enemies in Turkey and the volatile ME.


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Imam Fethullah Gulen, a reclusive cleric who leads a popular movement called Hizmet
 
German guy said:
Can't help but feel relieved about this coup. Hope it will be successful and the islamofascists get taken out of the government. This could be the solution to many problems with Turkey lately.
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Unfortunately, it didn't.

The islamist swine were even in the streets rallying around Erdogan!

Hopefully, there can be a democratic solution to ousting him.

Chagos said:
Yes.

You want to argue continents when even Turkey considers itself part of Europe? Should occurrences East of the Bosporus go into Asia and just those West of it into Europe?
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Turkey can consider themselves whatever they want, they're still not European.

Higgins86 said:
So you hate fascism but you supported this military coup? :lamo
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Military coups are not inherently fascist, so.....
 
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PeteEU said:
Turkey will go all out dictatorship now. Erdogan will use this failed coup to kill off (literally) the opposition and finish of the purge in the military he started when he took office back in the day ~
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The funny thing I thought was this makes it even less likely Turkey gets anywhere near joining the EU. (I know they weren't joining anytime soon but if the coup had happened a month ago......)

Chagos said:
~ the only legit way of getting rid of him is the ballot box and not an uprising of the military ~
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And that same ballot box has returned him repeatedly to the Presidency. Baffling.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
The funny thing I thought was this makes it even less likely Turkey gets anywhere near joining the EU. (I know they weren't joining anytime soon but if the coup had happened a month ago......)
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Well, with him in the picture they weren't joining any time, ever. All one need do is take the Brit trepidation over giving up power to elsewhere and multiply that by 100 to the 10th power.

He was already talking about a referendum for the Turks on whether to continue negotiations. With the propaganda machine clearly geared already to brain-washing them into a "no". That way he could have absolved him completely and stuck to his power aspirations still.
And that same ballot box has returned him repeatedly to the Presidency. Baffling.
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Different concept of democracy. Not just wrt him but of the people altogether.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
The funny thing I thought was this makes it even less likely Turkey gets anywhere near joining the EU. (I know they weren't joining anytime soon but if the coup had happened a month ago......)
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Well if they bring back the death penalty then yep.

They also demanding that Greece hand over the defecting troops that crossed over to Greece, and of course the US kick out or arrest that political opposition guy .. despite Turkey not requesting extradition.

At the moment there will be a massive purge in the military and political sphere, with thousands "disappearing" and it worries me. Still cant get in contact with some Turkish friends in Istanbul.... worrying as hell.
 
Chagos said:
~ He was already talking about a referendum for the Turks on whether to continue negotiations. With the propaganda machine clearly geared already to brain-washing them into a "no"
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Interesting that never came out in the televised EU referendum discussions.
 
Update: At least 290 killed.
 
The toll in Turkey so far ... 290 dead, 1,400 injured. 24 coup plotters were killed said Turkish PM Binali Yildirim. 103 generals and admirals detained. ~8,000+ soldiers and police have been detained/suspended. Some provincial governors and thousands of judges have been dismissed.

Brigadier General Bekir Ercan Van, the commander of Incirlik Air Base, requested US asylum and was refused. The US will consider an extradition request for former Erdogan ally Fethullah Gulen who lives in Pennsylvania. Some officials of the Erdogan government have suggested reinstating the death penalty. The EU has warned Turkey against doing so.

Clearly, Erdogan/AK Party and Turkish Islamist's have won a decisive victory. Turkey is well on its way to dictatorship.


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Mass detention at a horse stable in Ankara


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Most of the 27 accused coup ringleaders
 
Simpleχity;1066093764 said:
The toll in Turkey so far ... 290 dead, 1,400 injured. 24 coup plotters were killed said Turkish PM Binali Yildirim. 103 generals and admirals detained. ~8,000+ soldiers and police have been detained/suspended. Some provincial governors and thousands of judges have been dismissed.

Brigadier General Bekir Ercan Van, the commander of Incirlik Air Base, requested US asylum and was refused. The US will consider an extradition request for former Erdogan ally Fethullah Gulen who lives in Pennsylvania. Some officials of the Erdogan government have suggested reinstating the death penalty. The EU has warned Turkey against doing so.

Clearly, Erdogan/AK Party and Turkish Islamist's have won a decisive victory. Turkey is well on its way to dictatorship.


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Mass detention at a horse stable in Ankara


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Most of the 27 accused coup ringleaders
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As Omar in the The Wire said, "You come at the King, you best not miss."

Now Erdogan will just become stronger and more despotic.
 
The swift rounding up of judges and others after a failed coup in Turkey indicated the government had prepared a list beforehand, the EU commissioner dealing with Turkey's membership bid, Johannes Hahn, said on Monday.

Following a failed coup attempt on Saturday, Turkish authorities on Sunday rounded up nearly 3,000 suspected military plotters, ranging from top commanders to foot soldiers, and the same number of judges and prosecutors.

"It looks at least as if something has been prepared. The lists are available, which indicates it was prepared and to be used at a certain stage," Hahn said.

"I'm very concerned. It is exactly what we feared."
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Turkey government seemed to have list of arrests prepared: EU's Hahn | Reuters
 
What of the CIA? US fighter jets and other air assets are utilizing Turkey's Incirlik air base every day. The US/NATO have ~50 nuclear weapons stored underground at Incirlik.

At least 10 Turkish military officers at Incirlik (including the base commander) have been arrested for treason. Full power to the base was restored today.

Did the CIA have any part in this fiasco? Was Russian intelligence involved?

Congress needs to determine asap exactly what the US intelligence community either knew about the attempted coup, or what it didn't know. And why.
 
The toll so far in Erdogan's post-coup purges...

103 high ranking (Gen/Adm)military officers
6,000 military personal
9,000 police officers
3,000 judges
8,777 Interior Ministry workers
1,500 staff in the Finance Ministry
1,577 university deans
21,000 teachers
257 people working in the Prime Minister's office
24 radio and TV channels had their broadcast license revoked

By my ciphering that is 50,000+ for a clumsy coup that had at the most 1,000 participants. A ratio of 50:1. The coup was attempted less than 1 week ago. IMO, purge-lists had already existed and Erdogan/AKP only needed an event/excuse to implement the purge operation. Only Erdogan/AKP gained from this. It seems to me that either this was an internal false-flag operation, or Erdogan/AKP were forewarned of the coup and planned accordingly.
 
Simpleχity;1066102884 said:
The toll so far in Erdogan's post-coup purges...

103 high ranking (Gen/Adm)military officers
6,000 military personal
9,000 police officers
3,000 judges
8,777 Interior Ministry workers
1,500 staff in the Finance Ministry
1,577 university deans
21,000 teachers
257 people working in the Prime Minister's office
24 radio and TV channels had their broadcast license revoked

By my ciphering that is 50,000+ for a clumsy coup that had at the most 1,000 participants. A ratio of 50:1. The coup was attempted less than 1 week ago. IMO, purge-lists had already existed and Erdogan/AKP only needed an event/excuse to implement the purge operation. Only Erdogan/AKP gained from this. It seems to me that either this was an internal false-flag operation, or Erdogan/AKP were forewarned of the coup and planned accordingly.
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I predict that within a year the AKP will be the only legal political party in Turkey.. maybe with a few "loyal" aka proxy parties to give the image of a democracy. Basically what every dictatorship has done by Saddam and many others.
 
PeteEU said:
I predict that within a year the AKP will be the only legal political party in Turkey.. maybe with a few "loyal" aka proxy parties to give the image of a democracy. Basically what every dictatorship has done by Saddam and many others.
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Your prediction here wouldn't surprise me in the least. If Erdogan/AKP already had purge-lists in hand as I believe, then they also certainly understood the carnage potential.
 
Chagos said:
Oh, I dislike him (and Mursi before) as much as you do. He's on the point of throwing democracy out of Turkey altogether. I just don't see the military re-instating it. In coups of the past they never did.
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Egypt :lol:
 
German guy said:
Well, I do hope that the situation remains peaceful and stable in Turkey, and for the sake of the civil population, there won't be violence.

But I'm not sure what you're saying -- do you agree that both Erdogan and Mursi were/are islamofascists, or do you disagree?

That a government was democratically or legally elected doesn't mean a thing. The Nazis got power by perfectly legal means, too. Just because someone enjoys support by a majority, it says nothing whatsoever about his respect for freedom and democracy.

There is not the slightest doubt that Erdogan's goal is an islamist tyranny. He not just openly declared that "democracy is not the goal, but the way to reach our goals". In the past months, he has systematically abolished the most basic democratic standards, he was about turning Turkey into an islamofascist dictatorship, and he supported and cooperated with IS. The coup against him is just as justified as a coup against Hitler would have been.
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Looking a bit further down the road on this (and not that far at all), assuming that Erdogan does achieve an Islamist tyranny in Turkey, I think they should be kicked out of NATO. Given that ISIS and other Muslim Terrorist groups are attacking NATO member nations, NATO should be unified against. How can NATO conduct military operations against one of it's member nations?

What do you think? Turkey kicked out of NATO in this situation?
 
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