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How does Europe and the UK fight this wave of extremism?[W:95]

PeteEU said:
Tricky as hell.



Hell no, unless you absolutely want to live in a police state.



Should be automatic. Muslim terrorists are hardly the only ones out there who want to harm large public gatherings in one way or another.



Sure if you want to make more terrorists..



Sure if you want to make more terrorists.



Sure if you want to make even MORE terrorists.



It is almost non existent in most countries.

It is a tricky problem to tackle, as long as our meddling in the affairs of Muslim countries continues and our often blind support of Israel continues. Without changes in those 2, then there is only so much we can do, especially with the anti-Muslim sentiment that is clearly being pushed by some politicians and media in the west. This sentiment creates an atmosphere of fear and actually marginalizes the muslim populations, which causes animosity and is hence a rich breeding ground for more home grown nutjobs that commit terror.

But some simple things that could be done would be the following.

1) Put into law a ban on travelling to war zones without permission from the state. If you do, and return then you either go to jail for 10 years, or if a dual citizen.. lose your citizenship.
2) If a refugee goes on holiday "back home", then their refugee status is automatically revoked. To this day, we have people who came to Europe as refugees, who still are here, but travel back to their homeland on vacation.. and that includes places like freaking Somalia and Iraq. Pisses me off!.. not that it is exactly relevant :)
3) EU wide repatriation treaty system. Right now we have possibly millions of illegal immigrants and failed refugees we cant kick out because repatriation deals are bi-lateral between countries. This means if say Denmark wants to deport 30 Algerians, then that is relatively hard because of the deal Denmark is able to get with Algeria. However France has no problem because of its close ties, and certainly the mighty EU economic power house would be able to dictate that countries take back their citizens no questions asked.
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Who are the other groups of terrorists in Europe. And what was their last attack at a major public event.

Why do you let more Muslims in? Should I repeat that 3 times?
 
Interesting BBC article pointing out the hard won lessons of joined up security that the French and other forces have not learned yet.

Previously, I had been told by my sources in West Yorkshire that its officers were never allowed inside MI5's inner sanctum. Its door was permanently locked. All that has dramatically changed. The Security Service and local counter-terrorism police officers now work closely together and share all intelligence. The barriers are down. MI5's door is open. This shared intelligence is then passed upwards to the pinnacle of Britain's counter-terrorist pyramid where it's sifted and analysed by MI5, MI6, GCHQ and the police at their weekly meetings in MI5's London headquarters. A further benefit of shared intelligence is that the agencies and police - both at home and abroad - now all work from a single list of targets - the contents and length of which are a closely guarded national secret.
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40 potential attacks in the last 10 years have been foiled in the UK, not that we should ever be complacent.

coldjoint said:
Who are the other groups of terrorists in Europe. And what was their last attack at a major public event.

Why do you let more Muslims in? Should I repeat that 3 times?
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I won't list all the terrorist groups in Europe but here we still have the RIRA and CIRA, there were 52 bomb attacks in the last 13 months and the last major public event was the boxing weigh in in Dublin.

As for your question, I'll answer yours and expect the politeness of an answer to mine.

We let muslims into the UK as part of the points system of immigration when they apply for jobs here. We let some families reunite where they have a member of the family in and finally - do you consider ALL muslims a risk or those most likely to be influenced by Wahhabism such as sunnis or do you wish to broadbrush Kurds, Shia and any other small sect of Islam?
 
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Interesting BBC article pointing out the hard won lessons of joined up security that the French and other forces have not learned yet.



40 potential attacks in the last 10 years have been foiled in the UK, not that we should ever be complacent.



I won't list all the terrorist groups in Europe but here we still have the RIRA and CIRA, there were 52 bomb attacks in the last 13 months and the last major public event was the boxing weigh in in Dublin.

As for your question, I'll answer yours and expect the politeness of an answer to mine.

We let muslims into the UK as part of the points system of immigration when they apply for jobs here. We let some families reunite where they have a member of the family in and finally - do you consider ALL muslims a risk or those most likely to be influenced by Wahhabism such as sunnis or do you wish to broadbrush Kurds, Shia and any other small sect of Islam?
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What do you think inspired Wahhabism? The Koran. What do all Muslims learn from? The Koran. You take a chance with every Muslim, that is an unfortunate fact.
 
coldjoint said:
What do you think inspired Wahhabism? ~
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You need to do some basic research before you ask that question. Your background knowledge is pretty shallow if this is the best you can come up with unless you also think all muslims are wahhabis?
 
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You need to do some basic research before you ask that question. Your background knowledge is pretty shallow if this is the best you can come up with unless you also think all muslims are wahhabis?
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No your excuses are ridiculous. How is the Koran itself saying it is to be interpreted literally shallow? It answers that question. The Koran inspired Wahhabism.
 
coldjoint said:
No your excuses are ridiculous. How is the Koran itself saying it is to be interpreted literally shallow? It answers that question. The Koran inspired Wahhabism.
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I'll ask a different way, eventually you may answer. Are Shia part of the Wahhabi umbrella? Kurds?
 
coldjoint said:
And every week they kill how many?
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Does it matter?

If group A kills thirty people a week and group B kills thirty people a month, both those groups have killed thirty people, and that's bad.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I'll ask a different way, eventually you may answer. Are Shia part of the Wahhabi umbrella? Kurds?
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Islamists interpret the Koran the way it is meant to be. Whatever sect they are matters little if they are Islamists.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Does it matter?

If group A kills thirty people a week and group B kills thirty people a month, both those groups have killed thirty people, and that's bad.
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You have a stupid argument. The past actions of anyone or anything change nothing about what Islamists are doing right now. Or would you like to me what good it does talking about what others have done? The only purpose would be to justify the acts of terror because non-Muslims have done the same.

That solves or STOPS nothing and saves 0 lives.
 
coldjoint said:
You have a stupid argument. The past actions of anyone or anything change nothing about what Islamists are doing right now. Or would you like to me what good it does talking about what others have done? The only purpose would be to justify the acts of terror because non-Muslims have done the same.

That solves or STOPS nothing and saves 0 lives.
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Yes, the past actions of others does effect the present.

But we've done this four or five times by now and nobody's changed anybody's mind so I'm going to save everyone involved some time and duck out.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, the past actions of others does effect the present.

But we've done this four or five times by now and nobody's changed anybody's mind so I'm going to save everyone involved some time and duck out.
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You wish to talk of past actions? Look at the actions described in Islamic lierature and see how those effect the present.
 
PoS said:
If the EU and the UK will stop their military adventurism in the Middle east, then maybe their Muslim populations will get less pissed off...
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................ and maybe they won't. In what 'military adventurism' do you imagine the UK is indulging at the moment? Do you understand that the EU has no armed forces?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Whirr-scratch-bump!

I'm cooking actually and it was filling in time between different elements browning off.
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No doubt more exciting than the exchange in question. And seeing that you stress "cooking", the result will obviously not be cold. I'd hate to hear that you're going to be eating something like a cold joint. :lamo

So, Bon Appétit ;)
 
Tigerace117 said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Cologne_bombing
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Happened 12 years ago, 0 deaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
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Isolated individual, not connected to any organized terror group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland
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Isolated individual, occurred 17 years ago (didn't coldjoint ask you for RECENT cases?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_18
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Listing defunct white nationalist groups... Wow grasping at straws now aren't we? Your link lists one murder carried out by C18, where one member of C18 killed another member of C18. Whoooopeeee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Wolves
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Every reference to the White Wolves is again absurdly old for you to be citing them as a modern threat. The most recent reference for them is from the year 2000!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-M...annes_and_Nice
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Awesome, now we're using 30 & 40 year old cases, can the crusades be far behind??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAL_(paramilitary_group)
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" They were active from 1983 until 1987" . Yawn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrio...hrist_the_King
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"Dates of operation 1968–1980" Give me a f-ing break here man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...istance_Groups
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"According to the Spanish police, GRAPO was disbanded after six of its militants were arrested in June 2007

Wow, all 6 members of the group were arrested, so they had to break up and get day jobs.

This list was not very impressive.
 
truthatallcost said:
Happened 12 years ago, 0 deaths.




Isolated individual, not connected to any organized terror group.



Isolated individual, occurred 17 years ago (didn't coldjoint ask you for RECENT cases?)



Listing defunct white nationalist groups... Wow grasping at straws now aren't we? Your link lists one murder carried out by C18, where one member of C18 killed another member of C18. Whoooopeeee.



Every reference to the White Wolves is again absurdly old for you to be citing them as a modern threat. The most recent reference for them is from the year 2000!



Awesome, now we're using 30 & 40 year old cases, can the crusades be far behind??



" They were active from 1983 until 1987" . Yawn.



"Dates of operation 1968–1980" Give me a f-ing break here man.



"According to the Spanish police, GRAPO was disbanded after six of its militants were arrested in June 2007

Wow, all 6 members of the group were arrested, so they had to break up and get day jobs.

This list was not very impressive.
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Twenty two people were still wounded in Cologne.


Weren't you the guy who started the thread about slavery in the Barbary Coast? You have no room to bitch about an attack occurring in 2004, or 1999, or whenever.

What you can't seem to get through your head is that these all happened in the twentieth or twenty-first centuries. Christianity was supposed to have moved past this a long time ago.

But the victims of these groups weren't WASPs for the most part, and the attackers weren't Muslims, so of course your underwhelmed. If these groups were Muslims, you'd be screaming to the heavens about those evul Arabs.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You need to do some basic research before you ask that question. Your background knowledge is pretty shallow if this is the best you can come up with unless you also think all muslims are wahhabis?
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In Saudi Arabia, where Wahhabism started and remains concentrated, they don't refer to themselves as Wahhabis, they refer to themselves as Muslims.

Its hard to say what percentage of muslims worldwide consider themselves Wahhabists, I've not seen stats.

Interestingly, Isis are not Wahhabists, proving that Muslim terrorism is not isolated to one off shoot of a particular sect.
 
Here in Britain we have to wait until May 7th 2020 to vote the bastards out.
 
Europe is failing to assimilate immigrants because they don't enculturate them or give those with no place to go the now home country's patriotism. And, just as importantly, require the same thing of them through socio-economic demands.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Twenty two people were still wounded in Cologne.
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Yes, that took place in 2004. Do you remember what else took place in 2004?
The Madrid Bombings, where 192 people were killed.

Weren't you the guy who started the thread about slavery in the Barbary Coast? You have no room to bitch about an attack occurring in 2004, or 1999, or whenever.
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The point of that thread was to illustrate how governments in the Mideast sponsored terrorism and slavery against Europeans, citing Islam as their authority to do so. Relevant? I'd say so, considering that very few people know that this actually occurred.

What you can't seem to get through your head is that these all happened in the twentieth or twenty-first centuries. Christianity was supposed to have moved past this a long time ago.
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Wut?

The most compelling case you offered was that of Anders Breivik, who said that he practices a form of paganism.

He also said, ""I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment."

But the victims of these groups weren't WASPs for the most part, and the attackers weren't Muslims, so of course your underwhelmed. If these groups were Muslims, you'd be screaming to the heavens about those evul Arabs.
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Again.... wut? :roll:

How familiar are you with the subject you're commenting on?

Let's look at the Norway case again, since virtually all the rest of your links are dead ends, and Breivik by far committed the most heinous act.

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The victims were white, the assailant was white, and back in 2011 I called him scum, and still do.
 
truthatallcost said:
Yes, that took place in 2004. Do you remember what else took place in 2004?
The Madrid Bombings, where 192 people were killed.



The point of that thread was to illustrate how governments in the Mideast sponsored terrorism and slavery against Europeans, citing Islam as their authority to do so. Relevant? I'd say so, considering that very few people know that this actually occurred.



Wut?

The most compelling case you offered was that of Anders Breivik, who said that he practices a form of paganism.

He also said, ""I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment."



Again.... wut? :roll:

How familiar are you with the subject you're commenting on?

Let's look at the Norway case again, since virtually all the rest of your links are dead ends, and Breivik by far committed the most heinous act.

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The victims were white, the assailant was white, and back in 2011 I called him scum, and still do.
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Obviously no. I knew about the Barbary slave trade; the US managed to wreck a couple of warships in the process of anti pirate operations. Shores of Tripoli, anybody?

The Falangist government and their Portuguese associates were heavily Catholic, and they both made extensive use of militias to terrorize the populace. That's state sponsored for ya.

Your response of "well, I care about white people shooting white people" is rather underwhelming.
 
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