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Will the Dutch Be Next?

SailaWay said:
hollaring trolling can be trolling itself saying its not grown up is also an issue ... who decides if something is grown up or not??

remember it was the wise to vote to leave because of this DATA.... 18-15 yr olds voted 75% to remain which makes the older and wiser voting in a landslide to exit and then compare stock afterwards to see which made the right decision
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There was no landslide among the older voters, the fact is that older voters go to vote in much higher numbers than young voters do. If a higher number of your voters would have shown up, than there would have been a landslide to remain. Sadly young people are not invested in democratic processes. Maybe if internet voting would be possible they would and again it would have been a landslide for remain.
 
Peter King said:
Well, the Scotland vote was before the English taking them out of the EU, a new vote may go very very differently.

And again, those are 2 things that are not only not domino's of anything but have even less to do with the EU or the Euro countries and what will happen after the UK voted Brexit.

And again, you may believe all the ridiculous nonsense you post here about "the conservative states of America" but as we all know that is utter nonsense which not even Donald Trump would believe in as a conspiracy theory and he believed that Obama was born in Kenya. And I am sure that if a wisdom test is chosen it would be for politicians and not for voters.
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OH YES they are Part of the DOMINOES falling to stop liberalism world wide.. WHY because this is showing how modern times work with differences.. just 50% plus 1 of the voters to secede and once they secede they set up an election for a wisdom test for voters before their UNWISE voters become the majority voters..... FOLLOW THE DOMINOES
 
Peter King said:
There was no landslide among the older voters, the fact is that older voters go to vote in much higher numbers than young voters do. If a higher number of your voters would have shown up, than there would have been a landslide to remain. Sadly young people are not invested in democratic processes. Maybe if internet voting would be possible they would and again it would have been a landslide for remain.
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when there is a 75% vote to remain with the 18-25 yr olds.. to make it where the other voters won.. there had to be a landslide of the more experienced and more wise voters
 
SailaWay said:
OH YES they are Part of the DOMINOES falling to stop liberalism world wide.. WHY because this is showing how modern times work with differences.. just 50% plus 1 of the voters to secede and once they secede they set up an election for a wisdom test for voters before their UNWISE voters become the majority voters..... FOLLOW THE DOMINOES
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There is no seceding in the US or Alberta, that only exists in your mind and maybe the minds of a few extremist with very very very very very very overactive fantasy syndrome.

I follow the domino's and they tell me that you post utter nonsense time and time and time again and keeps repeating these fantasies over and over and over again. But you can post it 1000 times more, it still is nothing more than nonsense.
 
SailaWay said:
when there is a 75% vote to remain with the 18-25 yr olds.. to make it where the other voters won.. there had to be a landslide of the more experienced and more wise voters
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Sure you keep telling yourself that, the rest of us will live in the real world.
 
according to the rules of the Advisory Referendum Act there is no legal possibility of holding a vote on the Netherlands' membership of the EU. Referendums can cover only new legislation and treaties, and are only advisory.

The only way to hold a Nexit vote would be to change existing legislation, and that is only likely to happen if Mr Wilders wins elections next year. Link.
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Basically, end thread.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Basically, end thread.
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And for that to happen he would not just have to win the election, he would have to find several other political parties to agree with him on a wish for a nexit referendum. And that referendum could still be ignored by the parliament because it is an advisory referendum which the parliament can simply ignore if they wanted to.

To have a referendum that would force the Netherlands out of the EU would only be possibly by changing the constitution and that would be virtually impossible. That would mean that a Wilders government (which I do not believe will ever happen) would have to create a constitutional change, then the parliament has to vote in favor of that law by a simple majority. Then the parliament has to be sent home and new elections have to be held, after which that new parliament has to vote for that constitutional change again but this time not with a simple majority, it would have to be a 2/3 majority so 100 out of 150 would have to vote in favor and that is almost an impossibility because several big parties do not want to have a referendum so a 2/3 majority is not going to happen.
 
Peter King said:
And for that to happen he would not just have to win the election, he would have to find several other political parties to agree with him on a wish for a nexit referendum. And that referendum could still be ignored by the parliament because it is an advisory referendum which the parliament can simply ignore if they wanted to.

To have a referendum that would force the Netherlands out of the EU would only be possibly by changing the constitution and that would be virtually impossible. That would mean that a Wilders government (which I do not believe will ever happen) would have to create a constitutional change, then the parliament has to vote in favor of that law by a simple majority. Then the parliament has to be sent home and new elections have to be held, after which that new parliament has to vote for that constitutional change again but this time not with a simple majority, it would have to be a 2/3 majority so 100 out of 150 would have to vote in favor and that is almost an impossibility because several big parties do not want to have a referendum so a 2/3 majority is not going to happen.
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I agree fully, BUT I suspect that is what they also said when Hitler was showing his ugly head. It will all depend on how much chaos Wilders and his goons can create. I am optimistic, but these fascist pigs should never be underestimated...People have been doing that for years in Denmark and at the last election they became the second biggest party.
 
PeteEU said:
I agree fully, BUT I suspect that is what they also said when Hitler was showing his ugly head. It will all depend on how much chaos Wilders and his goons can create. I am optimistic, but these fascist pigs should never be underestimated...People have been doing that for years in Denmark and at the last election they became the second biggest party.
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Even being the biggest party means nothing really, because not many other political parties are willing to go into a government lead by Wilders, not the entire leftist bunch of parties.

The latest opinion poll gives:

PVV (Wilders) 28 seats
VVD (Rutte) 27 seats
PvdA (Samson) 12 seats
SP 14 seats
CDA 19 seats
D66 19 seats
CU 5 seats
Green Left 10 seats
SGP 4 seats
Animal Rights party 5 seats
50 plus 7 seats

So Wilders has no great number more than the VVD, and to be able to rule/become prime minister Wilders would have to have 76 seats, so he needs another 48 seats. Well, the VVD could get him much higher but I doubt the VVD would want to be under a Wilders Prime Minister government so they would demand the prime minister seat.

Here are the parties who will not work with Wilders, either because they do not or Wilders does not want them (due to them being leftist):
PvdA 12 seats
SP 14 seats
D66 19 seats
CU 5 seats
GL 10 seats
SGP 4 seats
Animal RIghts 5 seats

That is 69 seats, so Wilders would have to get all the other parties in our parliament to work with him to even create a government. The VVD and CDA have already been burned by Wilders once and the CDA has said that they do not think of Wilders as a potential coalition member.

And even then, a PVV/VVD/CDA/50 plus government would have 36 seats in the Dutch senate and that is 2 short of a majority there meaning the opposition could stop every law made by the Wilders government.

And that is looking at now, normally the bigger parties (like the VVD and PvdA) will steal seats from other parties and it will most likely be even more difficult to form a Wilders government.
 
Is the 50plus party an old peoples party? It is a funny name..
 
PeteEU said:
Is the 50plus party an old peoples party? It is a funny name..
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It is, mainly focused on pensioner issues I believe. They are one of the many single issue parties.
 
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