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Possibility of a UK general election in the near future

Well that is how our system actually works. In Canada we have the governor general as a representative of the Queen to sign off on legislation.
It was probably easier if you just made a proclamation and if the other people didnt like it their balls could up as door knockers somewhere.

(tip of the hat to Tim Wilson)
 
I dont find positive trade relationships to be a detriment and I find positive markets and relationships ALWAYS mutually beneficial.

Britain has survived far 'worse' than independence from an EU. Even the US has backtracked on Obamas threats.

And they will continue to trade. It will not be as easy as before and tariffs might be applied and travel to and from will not be as easy. In effect the standard of living for the UK will drop by a few % but life and the UK will go on.

The reasons being
Auto manufacturing in the UK exports a lot of cars to the EU. I am sure France will like to get some of that manufacturing in France so tariffs on UK cars is a likely prospect
 
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And they will continue to trade. It will not be as easy as before and tariffs might be applied and travel to and from will not be as easy. In effect the standard of living for the UK will drop by a few % but life and the UK will go on.

The reasons being
Auto manufacturing in the UK exports a lot of cars to the EU. I am sure France will like to get some of that manufacturing in France so tariffs on UK cars is a likely prospect
Thats what I expect as well. If it goes through there will be a little bit of an adjustment and then there will be established new normals.
 
Britain has survived far 'worse' than independence from an EU.

Well Britain has not been in the condition she is in now before either. When Britain "survived far worse", it had industry and a military that was the biggest in the world. Now their manufacturing base is no where near what it was back when they "survived far worse", and they dont have the military might to bully there way out of things anymore.
 
Well Britain has not been in the condition she is in now before either. When Britain "survived far worse", it had industry and a military that was the biggest in the world. Now their manufacturing base is no where near what it was back when they "survived far worse", and they dont have the military might to bully there way out of things anymore.
They still have a strong industrial base and allies. They also have a more than adequate military presence and friends that are still the biggest kids on the block. England will be fine.
 
The United Kingdom is the 9th largest export economy in the world and the 11th most complex economy according to the Economic Complexity Index (ECI). In 2014, the United Kingdom exported $472B and imported $663B, resulting in a negative trade balance of $191B. In 2014 the GDP of the United Kingdom was $2.99T and its GDP per capita was $40.2k.

The top exports of the United Kingdom are Cars ($46B), Gold ($37.4B), Crude Petroleum ($23.1B), Refined Petroleum ($22.1B) and Packaged Medicaments ($19.6B), using the 1992 revision of the HS (Harmonized System) classification. Its top imports are Cars ($47.3B), Crude Petroleum ($34.1B), Refined Petroleum ($27.7B), Packaged Medicaments ($21.5B) and Computers ($16.9B).

The top export destinations of the United Kingdom are the United States ($51B), Germany ($46.5B), the Netherlands ($34.2B), Switzerland ($33.6B) and France ($27B). The top import origins are Germany ($100B), China ($62.7B), the Netherlands ($50.7B), the United States ($44.4B) and France ($41.5B).

Our car industry is largely foreign owned, Nissan, Honda, Ford, and VW. Mostly our service industry buys and sells money. Europe is already talking about moving the main stock exchange to Paris or Frankfurt. The day that happens we're screwed.
 
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~..................Our car industry is largely foreign owned, Nissan, Honda, Ford, and VW.........~
I'll add Germany's Opel for good measure but that is of course GM.

As a point of interest a large sum of cars produced in UK are produced for the EU market, the Vauxhall Astra (Opel-GM) almost entirely and the reason lies in lower wages of UK providing the incentive. That means that parts go into the Uk for assembly and the finished product, that which is not sold in UK, goes out again. With any tariffs being imposed both ways or even one way, moving production back to the continent will become attractive. Nissan and Honda are no exemptions, despite being from the outside.

Sunderland is going to love that and they can open some more champagne.

MP demands promises Nissan and Hitachi won't go same way as Tata in savage attack on Business Secretary - Sunderland Echo
 
The Times of London reported that Theresa May, who supported the "Remain" side in the recent Brexit referendum, is now the favorite to become the next Conservative Party leader and Prime Minister.

May is Tory favourite after surge in support | News | The Times & The Sunday Times

A lot can happen between now and 9/2, but hopefully Conservatives will increasingly see that Boris Johnson was the proverbial "empty suit" in his abandoning his Brexit-related promises, and reject him. Should May become Prime Minister and then abandon the pursuit of Brexit, that would be a welcome development.
 

I watched a local news broadcast 2 days before the referendum and Nissan workers were interviewed, mostly Brexit and saying "yes it felt like they should worry about their jobs but..."

Yesterday, a local businessman in North Cumbria who has spent years pushing to develop an airport in North Cumbria stated why he was Brexit, but then he also mentioned that he would probably struggle without the EU development funds which had funded his efforts the last 4 years.

I think many just didn't join the very obvious dots.

The Times of London reported that Theresa May, who supported the "Remain" side in the recent Brexit referendum, is now the favorite to become the next Conservative Party leader and Prime Minister.

May is Tory favourite after surge in support | News | The Times & The Sunday Times

A lot can happen between now and 9/2, but hopefully Conservatives will increasingly see that Boris Johnson was the proverbial "empty suit" in his abandoning his Brexit-related promises, and reject him. Should May become Prime Minister and then abandon the pursuit of Brexit, that would be a welcome development.

The Conservatives haven't supported any of the candidates who brought down the party leaders for a while now. Michael Heseltine brought Thatcher down over Europe but didn't get the top job.

As for May, I think the fact Parliament largely voted and wants to remain will be more of a reason for any stop to this folly. Theresa May wasn't very convincing in her support for Remain.
 
Didnt they just hold a vote which expressed the mandate of 'the people'?

Referenda are not legally binding. Once one is held parliament has to enact the decision. It would be extremely politically difficult for parliament not to implement the decision of a referendum, but legally speaking it is Parliament that is sovereign and referenda are consultative only. The UK is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy like, say Switzerland.
 
I watched a local news broadcast 2 days before the referendum and Nissan workers were interviewed, mostly Brexit and saying "yes it felt like they should worry about their jobs but..."

Yesterday, a local businessman in North Cumbria who has spent years pushing to develop an airport in North Cumbria stated why he was Brexit, but then he also mentioned that he would probably struggle without the EU development funds which had funded his efforts the last 4 years.

I think many just didn't join the very obvious dots.



The Conservatives haven't supported any of the candidates who brought down the party leaders for a while now. Michael Heseltine brought Thatcher down over Europe but didn't get the top job.

As for May, I think the fact Parliament largely voted and wants to remain will be more of a reason for any stop to this folly. Theresa May wasn't very convincing in her support for Remain.

She was notable by her absence during the campaigning week.
Johnson not only abandoned his Brexit related promises, he abandoned his longstanding support of Europe only a couple of months ago to make them..
 
The United Kingdom is the 9th largest export economy in the world and the 11th most complex economy according to the Economic Complexity Index (ECI). In 2014, the United Kingdom exported $472B and imported $663B, resulting in a negative trade balance of $191B. In 2014 the GDP of the United Kingdom was $2.99T and its GDP per capita was $40.2k.

The top exports of the United Kingdom are Cars ($46B), Gold ($37.4B), Crude Petroleum ($23.1B), Refined Petroleum ($22.1B) and Packaged Medicaments ($19.6B), using the 1992 revision of the HS (Harmonized System) classification. Its top imports are Cars ($47.3B), Crude Petroleum ($34.1B), Refined Petroleum ($27.7B), Packaged Medicaments ($21.5B) and Computers ($16.9B).

The top export destinations of the United Kingdom are the United States ($51B), Germany ($46.5B), the Netherlands ($34.2B), Switzerland ($33.6B) and France ($27B). The top import origins are Germany ($100B), China ($62.7B), the Netherlands ($50.7B), the United States ($44.4B) and France ($41.5B).

Our car industry is largely foreign owned, Nissan, Honda, Ford, and VW. Mostly our service industry buys and sells money. Europe is already talking about moving the main stock exchange to Paris or Frankfurt. The day that happens we're screwed.

You mean screwed again.:lamo
 
Referenda are not legally binding. Once one is held parliament has to enact the decision. It would be extremely politically difficult for parliament not to implement the decision of a referendum, but legally speaking it is Parliament that is sovereign and referenda are consultative only. The UK is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy like, say Switzerland.

The idea that a referendum like any other political decision can never be overturned, reversed etc etc is just wacky.

The Swiss may lose associate status after their referendum stopped free movement of EU nationals last year so I guess the same few years of economic hardship may cause the Swiss to think again when the time comes. (Unless we decide to form our own trade body with the Swiss)
 
~ Johnson not only abandoned his Brexit related promises, he abandoned his longstanding support of Europe only a couple of months ago to make them..

I liked him once. Ruth Davidson now has my support but I fear she will stay in Scotland.
 
Just a thought (what with the abundance of threads on the topic now, might as well pose it here):

Is anybody noticing how there are all sorts of movement, demonstrations, public debates etc. to reverse the Brexit but not a single demonstration by the pro-leaver side to bloody well get on with it now?

I mean as long as there is this dawdling, all those filthy Eastern Europeans will keep coming, all that money will go to the EU that would otherwise be going to the NHS and we'd not have our so urgently sought control back.

Is all of that not so urgent anymore?

Where's the co-ordinated outrage at Westminster so obviously watering schedules down?
 
I liked him once.
On Have I Got News For You, perhaps.

Ruth Davidson now has my support but I fear she will stay in Scotland.
She's quite impressive. What is it about Scottish women politicians? I think all three main party leaders are impressively capable.

It's interesting that Angela Eagle has emerged as the front runner to challenge Corbyn. As I said earlier, I don't think she's much of a public performer, but a capable manager and is good at the dispatch box. Britain's first lesbian party leader? Interesting.
 
As somebody said the Leavers seemed even more surprised by their win than anyone, they were like guilty schoolboys, in hiding for 24 hours while they thought up an excuse...

The Daily Mail had a headline about "attempts to divert Brexit", but that's all I've noticed.
 
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Just a thought (what with the abundance of threads on the topic now, might as well pose it here):

Is anybody noticing how there are all sorts of movement, demonstrations, public debates etc. to reverse the Brexit but not a single demonstration by the pro-leaver side to bloody well get on with it now?

I mean as long as there is this dawdling, all those filthy Eastern Europeans will keep coming, all that money will go to the EU that would otherwise be going to the NHS and we'd not have our so urgently sought control back.

Is all of that not so urgent anymore?

Where's the co-ordinated outrage at Westminster so obviously watering schedules down?

Yes, the silence is deafening, isn't it?
 
"As Daily Mail and Sun readers complain they were misinformed about Brexit, how do we respond?
Public disdain for expertise reached new heights during the campaign, and that in part must surely be a consequence of an anti-establishment, anti-elite culture fostered by the tabloid press..."

Will Gore @willjgore Monday 27 June 201646 comments

As Daily Mail and Sun readers complain they were misinformed about Brexit, how do we respond? | Voices | The Independent

Big shocker... Daily Mail and Rupert Murdoch owned media missleading people.. nooo say it aint so..
 
Tell me WHO is surprised to read this?

Brexit: EU warns UK on freedom of movement - BBC News

"As Daily Mail and Sun readers complain they were misinformed about Brexit"

I bet it was the likes of Kevin Mackenzie of the Sun who now has serious buyer's remorse who did this.

Just a thought (what with the abundance of threads on the topic now, might as well pose it here): ~

Getting hard to spot the threads and discussions which aren't simply cover for issues across the pond where empty rhetoric and showboating about "sovereignty", "conservatism defeating the socialist EU" or even the rise and recovery of "Britannia" are to score likes for fellow posters.
 
Tell me WHO is surprised to read this?

Brexit: EU warns UK on freedom of movement - BBC News



I bet it was the likes of Kevin Mackenzie of the Sun who now has serious buyer's remorse who did this.



Getting hard to spot the threads and discussions which aren't simply cover for issues across the pond where empty rhetoric and showboating about "sovereignty", "conservatism defeating the socialist EU" or even the rise and recovery of "Britannia" are to score likes for fellow posters.

Most of the threads in the Europe section degenerate into those modes. Everything is eventually about 'Murka...
 
Most of the threads in the Europe section degenerate into those modes. Everything is eventually about 'Murka...
I'm shocked at myself in how now and then finding the idea of immigration control perhaps not so bad after all. Specifically when it comes to the uneducated and otherwise ignorant twits that leech off the Europe forum without contributing anything to society.

:mrgreen:
 
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